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« on: March 17, 2011, 11:35:44 PM »

This post is an update and a request for advice.

The last time I posted was June 21st the day after Father’s Day 2010, <http://BPDfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=121962.msg1205113#msg1205113> discussing the eviction of my ex and how my parents had come in from out of town to help with that.
They provided some great emotional stability to what could have been a nightmare. On June 28, 2010 my father was killed in a tragic motorcycle accident. Sudden and shocking. I was very close with my dad. He was my friend, mentor, and hero. I have been a “daddy’s girl” my entire life. He embraced his gay tomboy daughter as a human being and poured nothing but love at me. He was not a saint. But he admitted his faults and his mistakes and learned from them. He taught me that people are judged by their actions and how they keep their word, that farts are funny, and that god is in the eye of the beholder.

For a brief shining moment my BPDexw stepped up to the occasion and offered her support – food, space, the use of the truck that I had recently signed over to her as part of our divorce agreement. I took her up on the truck. I had to pick my brother up from the airport and go to my mom’s about 80 miles away. All my friends were amazing – a few of them drove over 100 miles to come be with me for a weekend as I stayed with my mom in the immediate aftermath and another group drove an equal distance to attend my dad’s service even though they didn’t know him. They were just there for me. Humbleness, gratitude, and honor do not begin to describe how I feel about my amazing circle of wonderful chosen family. They and my therapist have sustained me in all the hard work I continue to do throughout the divorce and death.

But nothing goes smoothly in BPD-land. On the eve of my father’s service my ex called me raging, screaming, cruel, cutting, and generally vile. Told me I was responsible for every bad thing that was happening to me and a host of other vile things eventually screaming at me that she was not coming to the service because “I EFFING HATE YOU.” I hung up on her and realized that nothing she could do or say would hurt me as much as the overwhelming grief of losing my father. My mom was appalled. She took it as an insult to my dad and could not understand at all because my ex and my dad had a good relationship. They liked each other and rode motorcycles together.

As one of my good friends put it. “Before this you HAD to leave. But after this you WANT to leave.” Amen to that. After telling my ex that she had truly stepped over the line of human decency, I limited contact with my ex to only what was legally necessary. Of course, stonewalling her only made her rage more. But it helped me keep my sanity and carve out a space to rebuild and heal.

So I curled up in a ball an cried and processed and took my life one breath at a time and let the grief wash over me all through the winter. And as the light returned to the evening sky it has been returning into my life.
But now I feel better and I’m interacting with people more and all the sorrow and loss comes to a deeper integration. And I find what I’m stuck on is shame.

The close circle that has been supporting me all along (about 4 people) get it and don’t bother me. But the outliers, the friends that are half way between close friends and acquaintances want to catch up. And I want to be honest and authentic. And I’m not as angry (thankfully). But they press with the questions and they try to understand and when I try to explain they get dubious and they make excuses for my ex. And I find myself having to explain in detail and finally I really have to explain that REALLY she was emotionally abusive and actually pushing me toward being physically abusive. And somewhere in there I have to admit to myself that I was the victim of that abuse. That I let it happen. Even though I got out, it still feels like six kinds of shameful $**t. And every excuse they make for her in an effort to comprehend the uncomprehendable are exactly the same excuses I made while we were together. Logically I know I have nothing to be ashamed of, but it still FEELS crappy. Then the next time someone wants to catch up I find myself minimizing because I don’t want to feel that shameful crappy feeling. And that feels wrong too.

I went on my first date since the breakup about a month ago with a psychologist. It was so refreshing. All I had to say is my ex has BPD and she gave me a sympathetic wince across the table and asked me if the anger got too much to handle. Wow. I just said yes and we moved on to other topics. Pretty stellar first date actually. But that reaction is the exception not the rule.

How do you explain this stuff without drowning in it?
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« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2011, 11:59:31 PM »

I find sometimes if I talk about  to someone else about my exBPDgf I give way more info then they need to know or want.
I guess a simplistic response would be my s/o was wonderful at first but as time went on they became more and more abusive.Consequently I had to leave.
It shows why you got into the relationship and you weren't a complete idiot for doing so.
Then  it shows you have enough self esteem to  end a toxic  relationship.
Simple and you don't have to tell of the heartbreak of someone you love turning  against you repeatedly.
Good Luck

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« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2011, 01:42:33 AM »

I find sometimes if I talk about  to someone else about my exBPDgf I give way more info then they need to know or want.
I guess a simplistic response would be my s/o was wonderful at first but as time went on they became more and more abusive.Consequently I had to leave.
It shows why you got into the relationship and you weren't a complete idiot for doing so.
Then  it shows you have enough self esteem to  end a toxic  relationship.
Simple and you don't have to tell of the heartbreak of someone you love turning  against you repeatedly.
Good Luck



This area of explaining BPD to ppl I wish I could have over again.
I did overload them with info.
I expected them to understand.

Agree with the above, keep it simple. Hell, I confess to not fully understanding how the mind of a BPD works and I was there. When someone doesn't understand how it works they usually go two ways. They say they simply don't understand. This is actually a good, normal response. Give them the basics. And then others try to compare it to some experience of their own. I say, no, it's not like that. This is a strange and unusual experience. I can see you don't understand it for those reasons. Then give them the basics. Of course there are those who are unable to comprehend or empathise. Let those through to the catcher. Just my experience, wish you all the best
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« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2011, 02:14:09 AM »

I guess a simplistic response would be my s/o was wonderful at first but as time went on they became more and more abusive.Consequently I had to leave.
It shows why you got into the relationship and you weren't a complete idiot for doing so.
Then  it shows you have enough self esteem to  end a toxic  relationship.
Simple and you don't have to tell of the heartbreak of someone you love turning  against you repeatedly.

i like this. a whole hell of a lot. like an amazing amount. i've committed it to memory and is my new response.
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« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2011, 03:17:18 AM »

Honestly, people that are close to me know and in the future I am just going to tell people including people that I may date, that he was bipolar (caatch all) and self medicated with too much alcohol.  It is partly true and he was diagnosed as bipolar last year when he had the breakdown.

People understand this because they've heard it before and it doesn't make me look bad or like I have too much baggage.  They don't need to know anymore.  It's not like they are a doctor and are going to fix it.
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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2011, 08:51:45 AM »

I agree with Rob. Keep it simple and if need be, vague. You have nothing to be ashamed of. Whether in a relationship with a BPD or "normal" person sometimes things just don't work out. Reliving the drama with people only keeps the drama present and if you think about it they probably will not really "get it" especially if they are invested in some way with the ex.

I would just tell them that "We had some good times but when the bad out weighed them it was time to get out." If they press for details I would just smile but politely say "that seems like a long time ago now and I really don't want to focus on that. With all I have been through focusing on my present and future is what is what I need." Change the subject to something in the present and if they persist just say politely but firmly "that is something I just don't want to talk about or focus energy on anymore." Your true friends will understand and will leave it be. People love drama (I know this from personal experience with the exBPD) but don't let them feed off yours.  Empathy

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« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2011, 10:29:38 AM »

I tried to broach the subject with my wife's only friend once, because she is my wife's "object constant" and also b/c she'd said previously that my wife "has someone else inside her" and had even asked, "I wonder what might have happened to her in childhood?"

She was interested to have the files/articles I'd collected on BPD, but after I sent them to her she stonewalled, said I shouldn't talk to her about my wife anymore, that she was not comfortable with such. The only other person I've been able to discuss it with is my mother, who works in a psych/detox ward in a hospital, and even she doesn't really wanna go there b/c she doesn't like those patients. She said that even the staff is clearly divided over these patients, and only a handful of nurses will deal with them. I shouldn't be surprised...I've learned that my cousin is similarly afflicted, and in her case as in my wife's, even the closest family members have all given up on them. Surely the difficulty lies with the BPD's otherwise competence/apparent abilities/seeming normalcy/high-functioning, etc., etc.

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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2011, 11:10:10 AM »


And then others try to compare it to some experience of their own. I say, no, it's not like that. This is a strange and unusual experience.

I got this a lot...friends would tell me about weirdos they dated in the past...I understand their intentions, they wanted me to let me know that they understood and then they would tell me how they got out of it and moved on. I suppose they figured that if I knew they had 'been there' and they got out and moved on...that I could too. They were trying to give me hope and they wanted me to see that it wasn't such a black hole, that there was a light at the end of the tunnel. My friends are all very kind and loving people who only want the best for me...I love them all for that, however, unless you have had the BPD experience...you just can't fully comprehend the scope emotional blackmail and abuse.
I am also sure that on some level some of them must have thought that I was exaggerating some aspects of the relationship...or that I was omitting things to make my side of the story stronger. Some things were just so bizarre that you wouldn't expect even a 'crazy person' to act so crazy.
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« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2011, 11:31:31 AM »

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He was my friend, mentor, and hero. I have been a “daddy’s girl” my entire life. He embraced his gay tomboy daughter as a human being and poured nothing but love at me. He was not a saint. But he admitted his faults and his mistakes and learned from them. He taught me that people are judged by their actions and how they keep their word, that farts are funny, and that god is in the eye of the beholder.


I would love to be remembered by my daughters like this.
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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2011, 12:40:39 PM »

Unless someone has been in a r/s with a BPD, they won't be able to fully comprehend.  I'm fortunate in that my T was in a r/s with a narcissist at one point in her life so she really does get it.

BPD is such a complex disorder with so many layers that it makes it very difficult to explain.  it's also the experience of the SO that makes these r/s different.  BPDs have an ability to get us to let down our guards and really expose the deep stuff within us because we thought we were doing so in a safe atmosphere.  This is why i think we're all so deeply affected by these r/s. 

We didn't just get our hearts broken, but we let someone see our authentic selves, probably for the first time.  When it's over, we've unconsciously opened up the well to all the stuff we've been repressing within ourselves.  BPD's get us to open the floodgates and when the r/s is over, we're forced to face our darkest issues and it is HARD and OVERWHELMING!
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