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« on: February 13, 2012, 02:35:36 AM »

So I really need some advice on the first serious relationship that I have had with someone since my BPDexgf who I broke up with 2 years ago.  I say "relationship" in the sense that we've been an important part of each other's lives without being bf/gf.

This girl and I have been hanging out for the last 8 months.  We've never done anything physical at all, not even kissed, but several times, usually if we've been drinking, we've talked about how we have a really close connection and have feelings for each other.  She always ends up saying though (drunk or sober) than she can't be anything but friends right now because she just "can't let anyone in," "can't trust anyone," "is too afraid of closeness."

For a long time, I've put my feelings for her aside, and have continued to just be a friend.  But how long do you do that for someone who is largely an emotionally healthy person but is in a bit of a rut after her own very difficult breakup (about 6-12 months ago)?  Am I not just chasing after yet another emotionally unavailable person?

I really do love this girl.  We know each other very well, and have established a strong friendship.  I've met her dad, who I get along with fantastically.  She has met both of my parents who just think the world of her, and who she likes.  We want the same things out of life.  We enjoy the small suff, like running together and sharing a glass of wine.  We've had a lot of the same negative experiences with NPD/BPD people and have learned from it.  I just don't know how two people could be more right for each other... and yet she is not in a place where she can explore that.

OR she is just using me for emotional support.  Maybe she thinks that I will not stick around if she does not act like things might work out down the road... so she gives me hope while really just wanting someone who is always there for her, and who hangs out with her a lot when she does not have a lot else going on.  And when she does want to go out and have a good time... it's with her girlfriends.

So what is it?  Am I being paranoid looking for manipulative EXGF like behaviors when this girl really just needs time and healing and could be a good potential partner down the road?  Or am I right to run for hills from another girl who is emotionally unavailable (potentially for a different and temporary reason)?

Part of me thinks I need to just walk away... and either she will get better and engage me later, or I will not hear from her.  Another part of me thinks that walking away or taking distance will just show to her that she can in fact not trust me.  I also worry that if I keep seeing her, that I will only get more attached, and then be there as her best friend when she starts dating other guys.

I don't know what to do or think.  I love her.  I told her I loved her.  She's the only girl other than my ex that I have ever said that to as an adult (I'm almost 30).  Anyone else was college and before.

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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2012, 02:48:15 AM »

Very simply you need to take a chance.  You've known her long enough that you can rule out crazy, now be the man in the r/s and let her know what you want. Who knows, maybe she's just waiting to see if you'll take initiative.

After you take a chance you'll be able to tell what she genuinely wants from you. Why sit around in the friend zone? What are you waiting for, exactly?
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« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2012, 03:01:52 AM »

I've told her that I love her.  The response is always that she just needs me as a friend right now / isn't ready for emotional closeness.

She won't let me kiss her.  I've tried.  She won't let it even get near there.  She puts up some pretty serious walls.
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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2012, 03:15:47 AM »

Seems like quite a long time you've been hanging around each other and things have not progressed. I've always been keen to the idea that if things don't evolve promptly then chances are you are just friends. Like mentioned above, attempt to push things forward. If she still persists on being just friends then your probably emotional support and nothing more since she decides to be out with friends for fun and not out having fun with you
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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2012, 03:17:51 AM »

I've told her that I love her.  The response is always that she just needs me as a friend right now / isn't ready for emotional closeness.

She won't let me kiss her.  I've tried.  She won't let it even get near there.  She puts up some pretty serious walls.

I personally would move on then. If anything I would use her as a wingman to attract other females
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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2012, 05:23:53 AM »

I've told her that I love her.  The response is always that she just needs me as a friend right now / isn't ready for emotional closeness.

She won't let me kiss her.  I've tried.  She won't let it even get near there.  She puts up some pretty serious walls.

Ah, then you can definitely say you've made a move. Good for you! Not many men can even do that. Really, that's all you can do. If she still rejects then either a) she's not interested or b) she genuinely isn't ready. Either way, there's nothing more you can do.
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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2012, 06:11:50 AM »

I've told her that I love her.  The response is always that she just needs me as a friend right now / isn't ready for emotional closeness.

I'd need you as a butler right now - interested in the position? No? Then why for her?

She clearly stated her needs and set limits. Now (well - some months ago, but better now than never) you have to decide if you want to stand up for your needs or submit to her needs - on the extremely faint chance that she might suddenly find you irresistibly attractive and melt in your arms.

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She won't let me kiss her.  I've tried.  She won't let it even get near there.  She puts up some pretty serious walls.

That sounds like a tough situation. I've been there, so what I'm about to say is something I had to tell myself in very similar terms...

8 months is a long time for her to play hard to get. You're playing her game, to her tune. She gets to use you as emotional support by dangling a tiny sliver of hope in front of you. I'd venture that she has lost all respect for you because you a) told her you love her (I'd typically advise against one-sided declarations of undying love, BTW, because it completely screws up the balance of the relationship) and b) allow her to treat you like this. Like a pretend-boyfriend without the hassle of intimacy or exclusivity. Like a puppy dog you can call on when you're bored, but which you can send away when you want to hang out with your girlfriends to go meat-shopping for some real men. Sorry for the tough love, but as I said: I was in a situation that was very similar and had to learn the hard way.

Here is what I would do:
1. decide what you want and what you are willing to take:
- Do you want this to go on for another 5 years?
- When she comes to you tomorrow, telling you how hard she fell for another guy and how great he is... will you think you've spent your 8 months wisely? Or will you go into "I'll stick around so I can be there to catch her because I know it can't work because we're meant to be together... insert romantic comedy soundtrack here)
- Is this fair to the other women who might be right for you which you ignore during this time and who will never get a chance because you're blinded by your quest for this one?

2. put your foot down and be clear about what you want.
- you want to be with her? Make it clear you want her to be your girlfriend and if she doesn't feel that way, leave.
- you want to kiss her? Do it - if she turns away, turn around and leave her standing where she is.

3. Go out and see other girls, start dancing lessons, just go out and be social
- part of your attraction to her is you projecting onto her all that you want from a woman... and thinking that "if only" she realized you are right for her, your life would be perfect. It won't be.
- you put her on a pedestal and are admiring her from a safe distance, which allows you to stay infatuated. If you could see her without the pink glasses, you would realize that she is just a person.

About the "I love her" - I'd say you are infatuated, but I don't think you can "love" someone without reciprocity, because you don't really know them the way you would in a relationship. Again - I know where you're coming from.

Ironically, independence and assertiveness are very attractive qualities, and it may even be the things she feels are "missing". By always being there for her and reassuring her you will be around, you may ultimately be driving her away, whereas if you live your own life and tell her "come along for the ride or not - but make a choice because I am leaving", this might push her to see you in another light. I'd suggest watching 500 days of summer, you may recognize a few situations.

Best of luck - all I can say is that after the relationship with my exBPDgf ended, I found that I had to re-learn what it was to be me, to be assertive and not to define myself in terms of a relationship with another person.

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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2012, 08:59:44 AM »

She has been very clear, she only wants friendship. She has been VERY clear.

There's a whole world of women out there. There is nothing preventing you from moving along and enjoying your life and dating others.

From a woman's perspective, if you keep pushing for more after she has already clearly stated her wishes, that pestering behavior feels awful, it's a turn off, and it screams " I'm not capable of really hearing you or seeing who you really are, I'm too busy trying to make you someone I want you to be."  This is not love.

She is not interested in you that way. Move along and date other women.
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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2012, 09:09:58 AM »

Sounds to me like you have become her girlfriend with a penis. Not a good position to be in if you want more, its very hard to get out of the friendzone once you have been placed there.

Move on - be selfish and see to your own needs.
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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2012, 10:38:25 AM »

Yeah, this is only a relationship in your head. She's told you she's not interested more than once.

Time to work on yourself a bit more and figure out why you are still pursuing women who are actually not available to you.
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« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2012, 02:37:23 PM »

I have been on the other end of a 'relationship' somewhat like you describe. The man was my sister-in-laws ex-husband. I always regarded him as a brother. I know he has lived through a very similar situation as I have. He was supportive and friendly when he found out I left my stbxH, telling me if I ever needed anything to ask. He offered his wisdom and shared some horror stories of his R/S with his PD'd wife. I really thought of him as family or a good friend.
Then he dropped a bombshell on me: he said he'd always secretly had a crush on me and thought I would have made a better wife to him than my SIL. I was stunned and grossed out. I told him his comments were out of place, then dropped contact with him for several weeks. He texts me every so often now and I don't mind chatting with him but if he makes any kind of suggestive remark, I remind him of how I view our relationship and cut the conversation short. He seems intent on pushing things even though I have never given him reason to. If he continues I will sever ties with him because it makes me uncomfortable. I appreciate his being there to listen but he is ruining the friendship by suggesting we have more than that.

If I were you, I would listen to what this person is really saying. It sounds like she does not consider you in any romantic capacity. If you need clarity, then lay it all on the line. Otherwise move on to someone who reciprocates and is available to give in a relationship with you.
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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2012, 01:44:28 AM »

I agree. I have a friend who keeps hitting on me. We've had the just friend talk but it doesn't seem to matter. I'm growing to dislike him more and more. Not good
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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2012, 06:30:11 AM »

If he continues I will sever ties with him because it makes me uncomfortable. I appreciate his being there to listen but he is ruining the friendship by suggesting we have more than that.


Aquarian - as it's possible I was on the other end of something like you're experiencing: It sounds like he keeps pushing and you keep "putting him in his place", which is an awkward position for both of you. But then you are combining that with the statement "you appreciate his being there to listen" - which is where I think you may unintentionally be sending mixed signals, as in "I want you emotionally close and open enough so *I* can call on you to be be there to listen to me, but I don't actually want you emotionally close...".

Are you sure you're part of a symmetrical friendship with him, or are you getting your needs for emotional support met by (perhaps unconsciously) dangling your emotional connection in front of him?

Just putting a different perspective out there - because it's not always just guys who are for some strange reason "not getting it" (though that happens, infatuation does strange things to a person), but sometimes also girls who are sending mixed signals and trying to keep a guy in a comfortable orbit for them...


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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2012, 08:39:43 AM »

Hi Alvino,
I never thought I was sending any mixed signals to my BIL. I have known him for about 30 years and there was never any hint of anything inappropriate, never anything that made me think he viewed me in any light other than SIL until recently.
I do most of my sharing with my sisters and don't rely on his supportiveness, although it's nice to hear from him because he knows exactly what I went through because he dealt with the same family of in-laws. When we compare notes it is unbelievable that my stbxH and his xw are so much alike and we never really knew it. I am not naive but really never felt anything but average family ties to this person.
I just chatted online with him and he said he is now attending church, feels better than ever and was not out of line at all. When I think about it, it is always the BIL that starts any online chats, not me, and I respond to most but not all chats.
The needing of attention of the opposite sex is something that his ex and my stbxH sought out constantly and needed endlessly... never felt that way myself.
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