What do you think about Schema Therapy?

[Think About It....]

Here is a link for a summary of Schema Therapy focused for pwBPD. I was reading this from the link in the workshop for today "What are the problem areas in my life?   I sure wish there was a way to get this for my DD25 - and to have her become willing to take the risks involved for her to participate over a long period of time. The Dutch study referenced on this website (check on the home page) was of BPD patients and showed a lot of recovery in the group doing Schema Therapy. Has anyone here been exposed to this before? What was the result?  In the Dutch study there were 3 seesions per week over a 3 year period. No money for that in the USA or in my household

http://www.schematherapy.com/Borderline%20slides%20Feb%202004%20a_files/frame.htm

My favorite frame of this slide presentation is #21; this is later in the therapy model and helps with understanding and acceptance of the parenting given the pwBPD as a child. http://www.schematherapy.com/Borderline%20slides%20Feb%202004%20a_files/frame.htm
THe schema "Combating the Punitive Parent". It seems to shift the focus from the viewpoint of the pwBPD from blaming the parents to emapthy and understanding that we are human too.

I also think this is very intense therapy model for any therapists too, and see lots of safeguards built in for the T to check in with themselves and their supervisor. There is also a section on how to deal with suicidality as a part of the therapy model. Very intense indeed for all involved. How do they screen for who is most likely to benefit from this model?

qcr  

[qcarolr]

Here is a link for a summary of Schema Therapy focused for pwBPD. I was reading this from the link in the workshop for today "What are the problem areas in my life?   I sure wish there was a way to get this for my DD25 - and to have her become willing to take the risks involved for her to participate over a long period of time. The Dutch study referenced on this website (check on the home page) was of BPD patients and showed a lot of recovery in the group doing Schema Therapy. Has anyone here been exposed to this before? What was the result?  In the Dutch study there were 3 seesions per week over a 3 year period. No money for that in the USA or in my household

http://www.schematherapy.com/Borderline%20slides%20Feb%202004%20a_files/frame.htm

My favorite frame of this slide presentation is #21; this is later in the therapy model and helps with understanding and acceptance of the parenting given the pwBPD as a child. http://www.schematherapy.com/Borderline%20slides%20Feb%202004%20a_files/frame.htm
THe schema "Combating the Punitive Parent". It seems to shift the focus from the viewpoint of the pwBPD from blaming the parents to emapthy and understanding that we are human too.

I also think this is very intense therapy model for any therapists too, and see lots of safeguards built in for the T to check in with themselves and their supervisor. There is also a section on how to deal with suicidality as a part of the therapy model. Very intense indeed for all involved. How do they screen for who is most likely to benefit from this model?

qcr  

[Sadforson]

I don't know.  These are good questions and when I was looking into it, I had some of the same concerns.  One concern that I had was that the therapy seemed to feed into the belief that the parents somehow did something wrong.  Maybe I didn't understand the model though.  I have seen that it is considered as effective as DBT.   

[qcarolr]

sadforson- I know very little about this model other than what I read today on the link above. It seems from this limited exposure that the 'blaming of parents' is what happens inside the pwBPD -- their percpetions. The reality, that can only be understood in the last stages of this therapy, is for the pwBPD to understand that the parents did the best they could. There is no 'blame' to be placed. Only recovery and new ways to feel/think/act to be had.

Another way to say this is the 'punitive parent' is a schema or maladaptive way of coping with life as a young child. As an adult, this can be looked at and reworked to adapt into a healthy adult way of being.

IMHO
qcr  

[heronbird]

Im going to find out about schema for dd, I have been asking for it, but as we are waiting to go to adult services, there is no point in pushing for it.
I saw it being done on someone on tv, it was amazing.
Theres something called TFT too. As my dd refuses DBT, she seems interested in doing schema, funny eh, maybe if I just call DBT something else maybe she will do it
Our P had not heard of it, Im going to look at your link and try to send it to her, I have sent her a little bit of info on it before. They like it to be evedence bassed or the government wont pay for it

[qcarolr]

heronbird - the model of schema therapy at this link includes a lot of the DBT theory at one stage of the process. It just doesn't start there.

qcr

[heronbird]

 Hi!qcarolr

Dontyou think it would be good for some of the bad things that has happend to them, my dd has veen a victim of abuse from recent bf, shes freaked out by being stalked and other issues like that. Maybe it would be good for that.
I dont think it works for BPD itself

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[heronbird]

I only know a little about it, will look into it more, that sounds good if it has a bit of DBT in it Hi!

[Sadforson]

Qcarolr,  That makes more sense.  Thanks for the explanation.  It would be interesting to hear from anyone whose son or daughter had done the therapy. 

[thinking]

I found this video on youtube awhile back. This man with BPD talks about schema therapy and what a pwBPD is thinking about when they have a discussion. It's very interesting.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do6owMR1hSY

[Reality]

thinking
Good recommendation you made.  I, too, found that video very intriguing.  You Tube has several other videos on Schema Therapy, as well.
Reality

[heronbird]

Thanks Thinking Hi!

Dont know why but that video made me cry. Do you think schema would be innapropraaite for my dd, we get on and she does not think I am harsh, shes never been abused or any of the other issues mentioned in the video.

So I am a bit confussed as to weather it would help us. But she is just like the man in it when I talk to her.
I wish she would watch it, but shed go mad if I asked her to.

[Reality]

heronbird
I wonder of your dd would like to see Tami Green on You Tube.  She had severe BPD and she has recovered and now is a well-known speaker and Life Coach.  She is so sensitive and even though the clips are short, it is nice to see someone, who is highly sensitive and passionate, she even cries a bit while speaking several times, who has learned to manage her struggles.
Jusr an idea.
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[qcarolr]

Thinking - thanks for the link.

I have to remember that the 'punitive parent' is a state that the pwBPD is in -- not that "I" am that 'punitive parent'. Though there have been many times when I was not able to help provide that 'safe place' for DD to shift into other mental states of being.

qcr

[heronbird]

I had a look at Tamis youtube video, I dont think dd would like it. If  I ask her something like do you feel like you dont have an identity she will say oh thats such a load of rubbish, pwBPD dont think like that. But she is such a typical BPD which she seems to of accepted. But does not like to learn about it, so when her P said to her, have you got BPD then? it confussed her and she said my mums read up all about it and she says I do all the things shes read. That seems really strange to me because Id want to know about myself if I was ill.