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« on: February 26, 2012, 08:14:03 PM »

After 4 weeks of dealing with the fall out from the graduation photo, then my sister and her family coming to town - her two adult children and her h - my uBPDh acting like an ass during their visit, then his intentional leaving to CA to get away from their "craziness".  They left, he came back, he landed a 1 week job in CA so he went back last week and got back here Friday.  it's been delightful since he got back and of course the week he was gone was heaven. 
So, i have a problem of never bringing up what i need.  I am only on the defensive in this rel.  And I have decided that I really need to work on saying what i need.  I Realize that he may agree and not be able to keep any promises due to BPD but Ive stated my needs.  Then I can say, you can't meet them and i can't live like this.  I have a tendency to not forget but to let go of the past and it's hurting my soul.  So, to keep peace, i don't bring up stuff once we're on in this calm again.  It's the stuff like his brutally criticising my adult kids and him acting later like e/t is fine and inside i am so disconnected to him that in bed i jsut want to cry and not have him touch me.  But I feel like i sometimes go into a prostitute mode of get it over with and the day will be better with him.  He doens't know how his words cut deep deep wounds.  No one can say what he's said about my kids and love me and receive my love in return.  And I don't know how to ever get that back in my soul to love him.  In a lot of ways, i don't know if i ever have.
     But I had a great day here with him today - in the moment of today.  Like the book, High Conflict Couple, they talk a about just experiencing this moment.  Even if you have to concentrate on their breathing or whatever.  We had a nice day doing a trade show yesterday, a nice date with another couple last night and jsut good day today.  He's a little needy, give me a hug, give me a kiss and i'm rolling my eyes a lot but aside from that, it felt like maybe a normal couple's day.  How unusual. 
    So, with all that said, I know this calm isn't forever.  The ball will drop.  Sh** hit the fan.  Now, or soon, I want to identify to him his many BPD behaviors, then tell him they are all in this BPD category. That  it's  a personality disorder that he can get help with either by DBT  or Homeopathy (very successful with personality disorders and I've seen him change with their use - see my post under "he wants help" ) Then I guess I give him the choice to work on that help or we split.  So hard to say on a day like today when I don't want to split up but I still can't love with my heart without feeling like I'm sleeping with the enemy and betraying my kids and myself too with ways I've been mistreated.  Has anyone ever told them it's maybe BPD?
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« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2012, 08:47:24 PM »

Yes. I did it. I wrote about it here:

http://BPDfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=168911.msg11994472#msg11994472

I have not received a single response post from anyone as of yet. I did ask in my post whether anybody had found out their current uBPDperson in their life had been previously diagnosed and hid it from them. I also wished to hear about any fallout from telling an uBPDperson that they need to get a diagnosis and possibly subsequently  therapy/medication. I've only brought it up to my uBPDbf in a very general way without making it too personal. If I sound accusatory there may be a blow-up, but what the heck, there is always going to be a blow-up, about something or anything with him. I think I have nothing to lose by bringing it up.
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« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2012, 08:51:59 PM »

generally it's suggested that you work on your issues not bring up his BPD.  It rarely works out for the better when the non tells the BPD.  Not that it never happens but most times it's turned around on you and things get worse.  Here are two posts on the subject:


TOOLS: "Getting" someone to see a therapist or to get into treatment
You cannot control the person's decision to see a therapist or get into treatment. Put yourself into the other person's place - no one likes to be told what to do or that they need help. So if the approach wouldn't be palatable to you, it probably won't be something the person with BPD will be receptive to either. There are 4 techniques that come from motivational interviewing that may help: Express Empathy; Develop Discrepancy; Roll with Resistance; Support Self-Efficacy       
http://BPDfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=76633.0


VIDEO:Helping your loved one seek professional treatment
According to Dr. Xavier Amador, professor in Clinical Psychology at Columbia University, denial is a powerful deterant to recovery in mental illness. What is often thought to be immaturity, stubbornness, and defensiveness is a much more complex and difficult problem.  Empathy with the patient's frustrations and even the patients delusional beliefs is also important, remarked Amador, who said that the phrase "I understand how you feel" can make a world of difference. The most difficult thing for family members to do in building a trusting relationship, he said, is to restrict discussion only to the problems that the person with mental illness perceives as problems - not to try to convince them of others. View this video overview.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3157373037314023921
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« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2012, 09:11:42 PM »

Hi otbzd14

I do so relate to the delema and after reading a lot of the lessons and the advice here and reviewed Eeyore's post advise above, I think its advised not to go there unless you are working within a framework. Anf that frame work is fairly restrictive. (although effective if stuck to)

I just have your words about being
"i don't bring up stuff once we're on in this calm again.  It's the stuff like his brutally criticising my adult kids and him acting later like e/t is fine and inside i am so disconnected to him that in bed i jsut want to cry and not have him touch me.  But I feel like i sometimes go into a prostitute mode of get it over with and the day will be better with him.  He doens't know how his words cut deep deep wounds.  No one can say what he's said about my kids and love me and receive my love in return.  And I don't know how to ever get that back in my soul to love him.  In a lot of ways, i don't know if i ever have. "

I'm in and out of that intense emotion myself a lot. Its terrible. I sleep in the spare room when its like that.
Then I find myself softening when its lovely between us.
This dynamic is the most significatnt reason why I doubt my own sense of reality and sense of myself. So my T and I are working on it.

I'm almost at the undecided board because of this.

From what I hear you say, you want to know if telling him he has a possiblity of BPD is the right thing to do.
Well my honest opinion is, if you are ready to jump ship, there may be some tiny merit in it ...i.e. he might ponder that suggestion when his life gets messy with another SO down the track. or losing you may trigger some self examination. who can tell the outcome.
If your not ready to jump ship, then telling him may escalate your issues with him.
But do what you think you have to. Speak your truth (gently). Because I firmly believe that we have to express ourselves as part of being healthy. Repressing our thoughts about abuse makes us sick, physically, spiritually, and emotionally. We all know that.

See if you can work something using Eeyores post above alongside your need to express how you feel about what he does and why. Are you seeing a T to help you work on this and your self? its amazing how much mine helped and I have only been 5 times so far
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« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2012, 10:53:53 PM »

Happiest, I am not sure who you are addressing in your post. I think you blended my words with those of the OP.

I may not have been clear and succinct in my post and I realize everyone cannot read every single intoductory post from every single member. I try not to be wordy and repeat my bio in every post. In my situation, we are not married, have no kids, own no real estate together nor hold  joint property. He wants to get married. I had been saying "maybe" all along and emphasizing that he is rushing things too fast with the relationship and should take it slower, step by step. Now lately I have been saying a clear  "No" but it does not seem to sink in. I have tried to get him (us) to therapy. He went 2 times and quit. I have tried using the tools I learned here. I've been reading books.  He is getting worse and worse.  I've tried. I'm exhausted and run down. I'm a shell of my former self.


The honeymoon phase has ended and he is treating me like a dog and a doormat 90% of the time now. The nonsensical rages are more frequent and more ridiculous topics crop up. He started wanting to spend every single minute with me tagging along on errands, refusing to let me do anything on my own - even family things, becoming agitated if someone called me on the phone and I talked to them, he even started following me into the bathroom and would sit and talk to me the entire time I showered. (I put my foot down at hanging out while I was on the toilet. Now he just waits outside the door.) He had become a handful and then just seemed to have a complete break with reality.  I think losing his job recently was part of it.

Yet, he has gone out and purchased a tuxedo "to wear to our wedding". He's been after me  to convert to his religion as part of us getting married, even though I made it clear right from the beginning I am an Atheist and I also don't believe in joining cults no matter how benign they are perceived to be by the mainstream. (I see no point in shaving my head just because we get married, and refuse to participate in this cult  nonsense.) (BTW, the therapist we saw was one he picked out from the huge social services organization his religion has. I think he thought they would side with him automatically.)


I have nothing to lose by telling him I think he has BPD and he decides to leave me. (Except all the money I have loaned him that I will probably never see.) I own my own home in the suburbs  and a car. He owns nothing. He has a place to go, as he has a small rented studio in the city -  and a bus pass. lol. The one time I tried to go NC it started to get so ugly. He called and texted me hundreds of times over two days making me very afraid, before showing up at 1:00AM pounding on my windows. Then he texted me that he had  broken into my garage and then broke into my auto and was sitting it my car texting he was not going to leave and how much he "Loved me" and begging me not to "Throw him away" (actual quote) .  He continued to pound on my house windows throughout the night and I was too scared to fall asleep. Thank god a neighbor saw him going in and out my garage side door and called in a burglery. The police showed up with a few squads but when they found out it was "just a domestic dispute" they only told him to leave - and made sure he went walking down the road. It was this incident that prompted my insistance that he get therapy. My goal was to get him into therapy and get him more *normal* before I went NC again. I am truly afraid of him. He has not done anything to me to get himself arrested (like beat me) but I fear it is just around the corner if I should leave him. If therapy  or medication would "cure" him I would stay, but from what I have read I just howling into the wind.


I am very on edge right now as I have just gone NC again as of Friday night. I had to. I just couldn't take it anymore. The screaming. The raging. The jealousies. I have an appointment at a womens DV center tomorrow that I have been on a waiting list for.  I think what dyregulated his mood was that his father has been rushed to the hospital for open heart surgery held on Saturday morning. I think this is some sort of abandonment fear coming to surface. I was suppose to go with him to the hospital but could not take his belittling and nonsensical constant, constant screaming. A mutual friend texted me a few hours ago worried about his "mood" and want me to do something. He is there now  -  driving someone else crazy for now.



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« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2012, 12:55:35 AM »

Oh so I did, get it mixed up . sorry hun.
I'm reading it all again to get a grip. :-)
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