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« on: March 13, 2012, 02:16:12 PM »

I feel ive come a long way since the intial trauma of our split.
Im able to see the r/s for what it was.
Im able to keep NC 100%.
Im not angry for the past for myself or my ex.
But i still resentful! why?

Im done with the past, i wish to be part of it no more, i wish for it to be no part of me anymore. Ive let go of the pain associated with the split.

But im still left reeling from the scars i have! Why?
I dont lay around worrying about the past, i work hard and have a great r/s with daughter. My social life and hobby time is quite busy although due to recent abuse ive put things on the back burner whilst i concentrate on me, daughter and current situation.

Ive been trying hard with self inventory but feel im not learning as much as i would like about myself.
Im concerned to some degree about my future as a parent and the future my daughter has layed out for her, some of it i have no control over so find myself with a fair bit of anxiety over 'what will the future bring' for our daughter unedr these circumstances?

I so wish i could just break free from all of this! as much as ive detached myself physically i still have a lot of mental attachment going on which im struggling to get my head round.
Why should i have feelings for someone from years ago that abused me beyond me own belief?
Why does it bother me to hear about what she is doing or if she is going out etc?
I dont give a sh*t, but then i do give a sh*t!

What is it inside of me that has to care? why do i have to be bothered?
It would be stupid of me to forget what happened but its more stupid of me to be ruminating! Because im busy for quite a few hours a day i find myself ruminating before i go to sleep or when i awake as though these are the only hours my brain isnt concentraing on something positive so it falls back into ruminating about the ifs, buts and maybe's!

I dont feel to down an depressed as i did some months ago and feel life is much more positive for me again. Work is good,r/s with D is good, social is good although took a step back on that recently to concentrate on myself more but no problem in getting back out and having fun again. I run a girls football team with a close friend who we have a great season with and won a trophy with the possibility of 2 more trophy's. I also DJ around the Uk at various events, clubs and warehouses.

Im happy at taking my own pace in dealing with my issues and educating myself as best i can, im comfortable with that.
What im struggling with is random things being said via our daughter!
Like i say im ok, with dealing wih the past and present within myself but i just cant shake off the BS and it does bother me for some reason, i dont get angry or frustrated but it does bother me!

Today whilst with daughter having a meal she text her mum to tell her she was going to holland to play football in a tournament in 3 weeks and today she scored 4 goals in one of her matches. The mum replied 'well done' and daughter expressed it was costing me a few hundred pound to fund the trip so asked themum to take her shopping for clothes etc (the mum never helps financially with any aspect of our daughter living with me full time), the mum went on to say 'well i guess its only fair as your dad always used to give me money if i was struggling and always bought clothes, nappies, food etc and gave to me when i needed them'

I gave the money as help for daughter, the clothes, nappies etc were all for daughter not for her! Can you see how this annoys me?

A simple request for some clothes and time with her mum turns into the past and about me and what i gave TO HER and what SHE received from me and how i was good to her when she was in control!

Give me a break please!

Ok, rant over! Got to start work now so some respite for me and my mind over next few hours.
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« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2012, 12:19:16 AM »

I think most of us wish we could be free of the consequences of the relationship...but it's not going to happen.  I used to wish I never met the person but as the resentment fades it gets replaced by other stuff.  I believe the sense of ennui that follows the end of the relationship after the trauma and depression is the reacclimating to a somewhat normal life.  If you spent a significant amount of time in a BPD relationship the extremes highs and lows start to feel normal.  Once I started to level out again at first I was a relieved, then a little bored, and now I don't have the constant background noise of anxiety I had through the majority of the relationship.  It sounds like you are adjusting to life with you and your daughter...and that might take some time feel normal.  Maybe you are reaching for a little bit of the emotional excitement you used to know when you dealt with your ex when you deal with her now.  I think the transition time right after the relationship to stable again can be a pretty vulnerable time.  

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PS Do you have any physical scars?  I have some pretty big surgical scars and they were very ugly and tender for about the first year.  But they heal and fade with time ... I think the same goes for emotional scars.  And I gotta say scar tissue is pretty tough. 
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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2012, 02:04:34 AM »

Many thanks for your reply Greenmango.

Ive had time to think about this a little bit so here goes...!

When the intial split took place nearly 13 years ago it left me broke, i had a complete breakdown where i remember i was hugging the carpet in the old house we used to live in, flat out on the floor gripping for dear life to the carpet, totally distraught and in a world i hadnt dear dream of! It was that time i had a cord round my neck, really comtemplating doing the unthinkable!
Breaking down mentally and physically i felt i was back as a baby, completely stripped of all inner self, i didnt know who i was or what the h3ll was going on! Like i was possessed by someone elses evil, i hated me, i hated the situation, i hated what she did and how cruel it was, i hated how repetative it was, i hated she showed no remorse or sorrow for stripping me of the right to be a father, the right be with my family and try to work at our problems for our family. Initially i was fighting for me and for her and what we had or what i thought we had! It fell on deaf ears like i was speaking a totally different language to the only other person who had a voice in all of this.

Needless to say i stayed in contact throught r/s recycles after the initial split, it was though i was forced into so much pain that everytime i declared 'i cant take this anymore' and felt forced to end the r/s with a few times her screaming at me 'i dare you to leave, i dare you to end it' with that face full of anger whilst clearly showing a swagger to her words!
So many times i had to crawl away from it as she never had the guts to just be compassionate! the final time was on my 1st ever fathers day!

After the breakdown and about 18months i felt better than where i was with a cord round my neck! still lost, no direction, no understanding of the situation, no understanding of the red flags, no understanding of the abuse!
Shocking to think really, if i was in front of that very situation looking in i would of been cringing sideways and noticed it a mile off! As though if it was someone else i would of completely seen it all, the fact it was me on the inside i had no idea! Yes stupid to say, but really, not a clue!
I went numerous times to the doctor in absolute despair but felt i wasnt even being heard! i was passed from one therapist to another! i broke down in front of my doctor begging to help me sleep she rolled me out the door with anti'depessant with no explanation, i cried at her for help! i got to see one of her T's who then refused to see me because it said i smoked weed on my profile, i explained it was a social thing and she refused to speak me! i spoke to her for a few minutes calmly asking her for help within my situation and to at least listen to me. she replied with 'my collegue has advised me not to see you' eh? the doctor i broke down too advised her to not see me after asking her to see me! I was sent to Pychiactric hospital for some help/therapy? i didnt know what or why exactly but after speaking with them for 30mins about myelf they told me i was in no need of psychiactric help and just required some support and help. This went on for 2 years until eventually i gave up looking for help as it seemed to be more damaging and destructive, energy sapping than it was worth.

I felt so let down by the system thats in place to help me but i was seen as a lepar or so it felt, i know i shown anger and hurt during my trauma but even me as a caring person would see the cry for help in all of that never mind a doctor!

I then spent 8 years almost fighting the system that would not recognise me as a father to my child, going through various hearings with councils and the social system here in the uk, fighting for my rights as a parent and as a human being. Bit by bit the cases were rolling up and each and everyone i won.
None of the cases were a dispute with the ex in anyway, they was all about me and my rights as a single parent and none of them involved the ex in anyway at all other than legal 'parental agreement' i set in place as we were unmarried.

I guess all the fighting for my rights and through the anger i got over her as a person, i got over the things she did. i want nothing more than for her to be permanantly out of my life.

So where does all this lead me if im over her and her actions of the past.

I really do hurt at the loss of being a father to my daughter so early in her life (7months old), it pains me to think that us - as a trio - as a family - was never even given a chance, never given a hope in h3ll from the very start. Not even given a couple of years into parenthood, not even a year! It all went to h3ll on my 1st fathers day. My family and role as a father was torn away from within months of us becoming parents, a family,taking on our new role to our child! Why i was taking on the role of father she was taking on the role of another women in another r/s!

Add to this 5 years of (whilst in r/s)...
Verbal abuse
Sexual abuse
Mental abuse
Emotional abuse
Physical abuse

Makes for a sorry tale!

Nearly 13 years apart and only last year i would of still defended her. Shes married with 2 other children who are really beautiful and i truly do adore them.
I just mellowed into the triangulation (read definition) and manipulation blindly still not knowing what a red flag was or the fact i was layed out for a lot of abuse in our r/s. Only by questioning her actions again last year i felt id gotten over her and the pain of what she did, true i say to some degree. But it made me realise i was me, i was strong, as though it happened and i didnt realise. I walked without a word, and was more than happy for us all, no grief, no loss, no worry, no pain. bemusement? maybe more so.

Then the smear campaign started for all and everyone in her village, her family, her friends, on facebook, my friends! I refused to partake and ignored it all with my head high (whilst crying liking  baby to myself or with my parents). 2 months passed with shocking things said about me as a past partner and as parent to our daughter, she even got the ex's husband to lay a few words out of his own to my daughter!

The campaign went onto our daughter from the ex and her husband as i would not respond in any fashion, refused to even park near their home to collect daughter, refused to be showing how antoganising it was. Almost as though she couldnt do the harm she wanted to me so she went for my next best, OUR daughter, she knew threating and emotionally abusing our D would get at me and it did, but again i kept it in house emotionally and held my head high.
She/they tried to alienate me from my daughter! Our D being younger i fear she would of taken the bait! Being 13 she recognised the abuse and refused to have anything to do with her mum point blank and made that clear.


 Thought Thought Thought
That was my 1st real lesson in boundaries, my daughter shown me my boundary, even though i was already NC from a couple of months before myself, i still didnt know why or if it was right etc
Seeing the abuse on our daughter bought me back a memory or 2 and made myself then realise how abusive she was to me, first with a few fleeting thoughts, then a few more and then hundreds more!
That was when i recognised my own abuse, by recognising the abuse on my daughter as i said at the beginning of this post that i would recognise it had it not been me in the r/s!

That was 1st real light bulb moment. 5 year r/s, nearly 13 years split, and only last year i realise the abuse and the r/s and her for what they really are! i feel ashamed of myself for allowing it! I am/was a smart individual or so i thought, i had a good grip on reality, a very open mind, cultural, confident, happy, friendly, sociable, compassionate, loving etc etc...
Didnt feel a needy need for anything or anyone, more than happy to roll along with life and put effort in to things i like and rid the things that hold me back!

Over time i feel ive got a majority of myself back now, became more educated and have more understanding in the last 12 months that ive had in 12 years.
Life is ok you could say with a few ground breaking moments for myself which im really happy about that i achieved.

Where am i at a loss in all of this?, ive rebuilt myself back from the brink, back from the fetal position and i had to do it alone whilst putting on the face of a father and putting energy into that whilst internally dieing through the years till ive built myself back up to a reasonable strength again.

My loss isnt her, my loss isnt me and her or what we had together, 5 years trash talked and used for a child, abused in all manner of ways continually throughout the 5 years!

My loss is my loss as a parent/father - So rapidly ripped away from me, totally distracted by an incoming trauma from my reality of just becoming a father just after seeing my daughter being born.
My loss as a family man - my investment for the future which was sincere and true - Starting a family was no accident in terms of 'oh, suprise, im pregnant', we talked about it, worked at it, talked about it, talked about it with other family members, worked at it a bit more. Then we was to become parents and to become a family.

My loss is my loss as a parent and as person who would fight for his family. Id clearly lost my healthy self to be able to fight a healthy fight for us as a family, i was so consumed by the pain at the time.


Well, thats a whole piece of my heart right there for you. i guess itll scare most folk off being so long winded. At least ive come to realise what my losses are in this at the moment.

My fatherhood is less damaged in my mind as such as i believe being a single parent to my daughter means we have a bond that i would of never had if we'd of stayed together, i realise how valuable our 1 to 1 time has been and what an amazing bond and understanding we have of each other. None the less it still pangs me inside sometimes when i see parents doing something loving or beautiful with their child together.

The family aspect i guess it what pains me the most, so soon and so short lived was us as a family. Not even the knowledge of 'well, we both gave it our all after all that happened'. Gone in a puff of smoke and me smeared until i crumbled into that carpet that night! Ill never get to know the reality of becoming the family person/father that i had set in my heart for myself and my children and partner.

Ill be so glad to get to my T when it can sorted to get to bottom of the final chapters of my unhappiness and finally move forward in a more compelling fashion rather than the disjointed way ive approached it or had to approach it in the past.

So many things i thought i would never ever say or repeat but alot of its here, suprised myself with how much just came out of me here. Will need myself to really go back over this again and again to pick the bones out of it.
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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2012, 02:13:46 AM »

Physical scars?

A couple. Only 1 visible but only very slightly now on my face.

Physical scar didnt mentally bother me when the incident occurred and doent bother me now, had stitches in my face at one point but again it didnt bother one bit mentally.

Its really hard to express how much a confident (but not overly) person i was, a huge circle of friends and in no short supply of a women if i really needed one but that just isnt my cup of tea(i like women, i dont do random sex/1 night stands), always enjoyed a good social life and home life. Then bang, Trauma. Thats where my scars are that are mentally bothering me. I guess im having a few rough days, im sure ill beback to being positive again in a day or 3.  Doing the right thing
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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2012, 02:42:31 AM »

I wonder also if the severity of parental alientation has a separate indentity in all this in terms of me relating this pain to the past pain when in fact a lot of the pain is recent and about new circumstances rather than old ones.

Im also havin to deal with daughter having minimal contact with her mum, last seen her in Jan, next seeing her mum on saturday. Physical contact kept to only a few hours each time but D more expressive of spending time with her brother (5) and sister (8) rather than it being a meet up with her mum.
Daughter really does miss her brother and sister through all of this but daughter chose her boundary after hearing the abuse direct.

So many things to sift through from the past and the present and the future. Seem such a never ending cycle of torment not only for me but now also for our D.
I wish id of been stronger earlier in this split as i feel i maybe damaged myself more in the process of keeping connected to this past and not recognising the abuse sooner!
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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2012, 02:43:23 AM »

Faded,

You have been through a lot over the last  years.  I'm really sorry you didn't get to be there for your daughter when she was younger.  It sounds like the relationship really pushed you to rock bottom...I felt like I had a nervous breakdown and had to ask my best friend if it all really happened.  It's pretty horrible but I believe now sometimes that what it takes for us to save ourselves.  It sounds like you get to have your daughter in your life a lot now and she's glad to be with you.  I've taken to calling the things my ex does as shenanigans...at this point nothing surprises me I kind of expect it.  

Listen, if a person has never been in a relationship with a pwBPD they will never know the chaos and what feels like a contagion of crazy.  If they get drawn into the distortion, stories, or pitting into taking sides they don't know what's going on underneath the a person's mask of sanity.   Your friends and family that know you, and though can never fully understand, will stand by you.  Sometime in the future the shenanigans your ex pulls with look at exactly like what they are shenanigans...sometimes hurtful or manipulative shenanigans, but shenanigans none the less.  You see it for what it is.  

Take care of yourself and hope the rest of the week turns out better.  Enjoy your time with your daughter and don't let your ex spoil it.  I'm going to guess you are probably a better father for all that you went through.  Have you posted on the Raising Kids board?

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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2012, 03:23:13 AM »

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Listen, if a person has never been in a relationship with a pwBPD they will never know the chaos and what feels like a contagion of crazy.  

I needed this tear in my eye right now, that line hits another nail on the head.

I even have to question myself in reading the reality that is mine when i post in thinking, that is just the most crazy story ever. although sadly, its not a story, its a tale of woe and real life that has unleashed itself on so many others that it will breed it uglyness 10 fold and beyond, let me define that...

From my eyes, My parents have sufferend through this, i have suffered through this, ex has suffered through this, ex's H has suffered, his parents has suffered, ex's 2 other children have suffered, ex's mum has suffered, our daughter has suffered.

Thats 3 generations in directline of fire to these shenanigans, the 3 children involved will no doubt go on to bear their own losses in life and recognise the controlled/abusive life style that is in play, that will then make it 4 then 5 genenrations and so on.

I used to worry about if i was getting payed at the weekend, or if my mate was going to make it out on a friday night or if me and partner had enough money to go enjoy ourselves, you know, the simple worries in life.

Im completely aware people the world over are in stricken circumstances nutritionally, financially with very poor standards of living so it saddens me more that i worry about myself and daughter and our future so much as it aint all that bad and i know it.

Think im going to prescribe myself with a few smiles and good thoughts for a couple of days minimum, i deserve it.
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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2012, 11:06:25 PM »

I'm glad you mentioned the multigenerational effects...I noticed that too.  After awhile dysfunctional relationships leak out into other areas of our life.  Those negative ripple effects can take their toll on our other meaningful relationships.  It did with mine too.  But there are positives: children, opportunities for personal growth, stronger relationships with family and friends. 

It is hard to see these things while we are grieving the loss of the relationship or are thinking of the losses too much.  I try to focus on those positives and consciously take an inventory of them.  Somedays I wish I could have the positives and the lessons without meeting the person, but that is life.  I have to take the good with the bad here...and try not to make the same mistakes again.  But it is hard lesson learned and definitely came with a cost. 

I like to think about the old man or woman in a rocking chair on the porch.  The type of wise old sage that has been thru life and has found peace by coming to terms with their journey.  Their story has many chapters and with each one they kept going with as much grace they could muster.  I like old people like this because they accept their story for what it is not that they didn't want for something different at times, but accepted it because it was theirs.  There is no shame in that chapter of your life...it doesn't have to dictate the outcome of the rest of your life either, its just one if many chapters.

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« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2012, 10:27:36 AM »

I'm glad you mentioned the multigenerational effects...I noticed that too.  After awhile dysfunctional relationships leak out into other areas of our life.  Those negative ripple effects can take their toll on our other meaningful relationships.  It did with mine too.  But there are positives: children, opportunities for personal growth, stronger relationships with family and friends.  

It is hard to see these things while we are grieving the loss of the relationship or are thinking of the losses too much.  I try to focus on those positives and consciously take an inventory of them.  Somedays I wish I could have the positives and the lessons without meeting the person, but that is life.  I have to take the good with the bad here...and try not to make the same mistakes again.  But it is hard lesson learned and definitely came with a cost.  

I like to think about the old man or woman in a rocking chair on the porch.  The type of wise old sage that has been thru life and has found peace by coming to terms with their journey.  Their story has many chapters and with each one they kept going with as much grace they could muster.  I like old people like this because they accept their story for what it is not that they didn't want for something different at times, but accepted it because it was theirs.  There is no shame in that chapter of your life...it doesn't have to dictate the outcome of the rest of your life either, its just one if many chapters.

Take care
GM

In respect of the multi-generational effect it could possibly cause - im split on thinking.
In one way i look at our daughter and think she is going to be one hell of a strong individual as she grows into an adult. Having dealt with such emotional things at such an age will help her understand emotions, others outburts and how to deal with them and make clear her boundaries.

In another way of thinking i feel all this emotional burden put upon her at this age is making her be an adult whilst being a child. Having to deal with things that 13 year olds shouldnt have to deal with. They should be more enjoying themselves and experiencing life not dealing with serious life issues at her age. This will not hold her in good stead into adult life. or will it?

I guess ill just keep doing what im doing and support daughter where ever she may need it in her life.





It certainly is hard through the fog to initially see things as clear as what they are at times, the fog lifting helps all see the light and the reality. I try hard on the positives of each negative that happens via my circumstance but it gets boring having to deal with others negativity and then me have to put positive energy into that to not make it a negative in my life. I see most of the path ahead of me and sure, it does come with a cost the path i have walked. But like all things costly in life, we remember them and learn from them and keep that knowledge for ever.

I like the old man thought. I picture it vividly, like in the movies. Old man in rocking chair on the porch of his ranch, eyes half shut whilst seeing all around him, totally at ease with himself, life and journey he has taken and the choices he made.
A relaxed soul and mind with many chapters in his life, all of which made him the soulfull and relaxed person he is today.  Doing the right thing

Thanks for perspective GM  smiley
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