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tranquility22
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« on: April 08, 2012, 12:31:26 AM »

I do hope this is the correct place in the forums.  I do want to say thank you guys so much for existing.

In the interest of full disclosure, my SO has not been diagnosed professionally.  I was referred by a friend who insisted this is what my SO had.  I am interested in getting an official diagnosis, but I am honestly afraid to.  If he does truly have it...it will destroy him, I love him too much to put him through that.  I know the only way through the hardships is understanding, but I don't know if he understands that.


As it is now, I stand at the cusp of planning for staying and planning for leaving, honestly I'm doing both because I'm so indecisive.

I love him so much it hurts, mostly it hurts knowing I can never give him what he wants.  What he needs, I do that now, but not what he wants.  Hell, I cannot even discern what the hell he wants.  I just want him to be happy, truly, that is all I want for him.  But his personality, it lends me to be cold and unfeeling, and I know that probably does not harmonize well with this disorder.  He wants me to feel, but for me to give into my feelings is to let me become insane.  He has made me borderline suicidal.  (Do not worry, I will never do it for many reasons.)

On the flip side, I cannot exist like this.  I watched my own mother crushed by the pathologies of my father, never understanding why the hell she didn't just leave, wishing she saved herself and they got a divorce.  I have always been a very independent woman, and he smothers and crushes me, and I suspect he unconsciously tries to guilt me and trap me so I can't be independent.  I secretly wish he would cheat so he could find someone that would make him happy.  But I am not without my own flaws, I have a wandering heart myself, I don't know how much it is my own flaws and how much of it is just a desperate need to have my needs met.  I have never cheated on him, and have no plans to, but in this relationship I feel empty and hollow.  I could work myself to the bone and it will never be enough.  He wants me to die in his arms, but I suspect he will never be happy even if I did, and I know for damn sure I won't.


I guess that is too vague, I will narrow it down to some questions.

1. Are wishes of being with others normal when you are the non-BPD SO?  I am very open to the idea that this is just a flaw I need to fix.

2. Is there a general prognosis of survival of the relationship? 50-50% etc?

3.Are there any medications that can make this better?  From what I have read, I do not find a lot of hope in medications, and I personally do not believe in them, but at this point I will try ANYTHING.

4.For those who tried therapy, how did you deal with the BPD-SO's realization that they were BPD...I don't want him to self-destruct, but he is like fragile glass, I don't even know what will set him off.  Those with BPD are welcome to comment with their own personal feelings as well.

5. Overall, how do you gauge the needs of yourself vs. the needs of others?  I know if I completely detached my emotions I could keep him structured and running until I die...but I already feel dead.  I want him to succeed in life, but I want to be free at the same time...


As always, thank you for your time.
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« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2012, 02:40:14 AM »

Hi there Tranquility22

I'm glad to see you have found your way to posting here   Doing the right thing

I am pleased I exist, too  grin

Few of us actually have a diagnosis of BPD for our loved ones.  Even when a therapist does diagnose this disorder, many will not share this diagnosis with the patient.  Instead, we look at the diagnostic criteria for the condition, and through reading-up on this and similar conditions, we are able to know ourselves, if our partner fits the category.

BPD falls under the category of Cluster B Personality Disorders.  Within that category are:

BPD
Narcissistic Personality Disorder
Histrionic Personality Disorder
Antisocial Personality Disorder

There are many symptoms which are common to several of these conditions, and it is not uncommon to find that someone with one of these conditions, actually has one or more within the category.

You might like to have a look at The Symptoms and Diagnosis of Borderline Personality Disorder [NEW]

You might like to also post over on the Undecided Board: Staying or Leaving, until you make a decision as to how you want to proceed.  

I would strongly recommend getting your own therapist, to help you deal with the pressures of the relationship.  Many people here have found it of extreme benefit.  Usually, as a result of having a partner with BPD, we are ourselves suffering with a whole host of issues, including guilt, confusion, anger and hurt (as just a few).  Near the end of my relationship I (as others have experienced) was virtually suicidal!  I can totally relate to the loving him 'so much it hurt' statement.  I wanted to protect him and love him, but it would be at the expense of my own happiness.  It is very easy to lose ourselves in these relationships.

I totally understand your need to have your needs met.  When in my relationship, I longed to have an equal partner, someone who could be supportive, stable, empathetic and a whole range of other qualities that I knew my partner would never be able to display.  I felt as though I had become the parent in the relationship, and was living with a stroppy, teenage son!  That, for me, was not a fulfilling relationship.  Towards the end of my relationship, I was looking around and noticing very prominently, the sort of relationship other people may be able to give me.  I was never unfaithful, but part of my decision to leave, was based on my wants for a 'normal', adult relationship with someone I was attracted to as an equal.  I found it very hard to have an intimate relationship with my ex. because I never knew if I was with Jekyll or Hyde, nor which mood would follow, once I had allowed myself to feel close to him again.  I built a wall to protect myself.

I don't have statistics as to the survival of the relationship, as that is a very personal decision.  If you read books on BPD, it is noted that BPD sufferers will struggle to hold down any relationship, if that helps?  It very much depends on the non-BPD partner.

Generally, the only way a person with BPD can get better, is to enter long term (often life-long) therapy, with a specialised therapist.  They have to do that because they want to do it, and not because someone else wants them too.  If they want to get better, then it is possible.  A therapist may combine therapy with medications.  The issue is more complicated if the person has other disorders, along with BPD.  For example, cure from narcissism is much less likely.  

My exBPD/NPDbf was aware of his conditions, but his attitude towards this knowledge, altered depending on the mood he was in at any particular time!  When he was in the mood of a sorrowful BPD sufferer, he was open to suggestions of therapy, but then when the narcissistic side of him came forward, he considered me to be the problem, and there was nothing wrong with him that required treatment.  This was exhausting, as I'd have just thought I'd have reached the milestone of him acknowledging the need of help, and then in so little time as the next day, he was in denial again!  BPD emotions alone, can bring this change of heart.

With regards to gauging my needs vs his...in the end, I had nothing left to give.  I had given for so long, with nothing in return, that I gave him the ultimatum of either him going into long-term therapy, or losing me.  He chose to lose me, as that was easier than looking at himself.

Have a look at the workshop What it means to be in the “FOG”

JP
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All members living with a pwBPD should learn to use the Stop the Bleeding tools - boundaries, timeouts and other basic tools - to better manage the day to day interactions with your partner. If you have questions on any of the tools, feel free to go over to Staying: Improving a Relationship with a Borderline Partner and ask for help. :-)
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« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2012, 11:32:24 PM »

I do hope this is the correct place in the forums. 

This is certainly one of the boards you should be posting in.  However as a member you have access to several and it will help for you to post in more than one at times.

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As it is now, I stand at the cusp of planning for staying and planning for leaving, honestly I'm doing both because I'm so indecisive.

Many of us have stood on that cusp some for quite sometime.  I would suggest you do some posting here and on the Staying board while you are making up your mind.  What you learn on the other board can make a big difference in your relationship.  Even if at some point you decide to leave isn't it best to improve what you can while you stay?

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