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Goldenthreads
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« on: April 13, 2012, 11:50:42 AM »

Currently, in a crisis with dd38.  Things have been pretty much "out of control" since the end of last year.  dd was in a r/s that was not going well...pregnancy scare.  She was also very paranoid accusing me of changing her email/fb passwords/security questions; as well as going into her bedroom (she was living with us at the time).   She was so paranoid that she was leaving strings in the door to see if we entered her room!  Everyday there was one drama after another.  She was in and out of the hospital at least five times.  Once for cutting herself and calling 911 (I was at work at the time).  This all lead up to her being arrested for DWI, assault on two police officers, and hit and run.  After that incident she started going to AA and confessed to abusing prescription drugs.  She was crushing and snorting klonopin and vicodine.  She then went to detox for 10 days.  When she left detox she did not come home but went to live with a friend.

I must be honest and say I was pretty emotionally detached and was feeling mostly angry at her!  I have been sooo codependant over the years and I am drained.  I feel like I've always had the best of intentions to help her but have pretty much everything incorrectly.  I degress...now she is angry with everyone...me, her dad, siblings, and other family members.  She leaves us text/voice/email messages  telling us how we have failed her and how she has tried to keep the family together, etc, etc.  She states that we should leave her alone but keeps calling and texting us!

The history goes back to her childhood of being abused.  We have been advised my t to detach from her...I know she is REALLY ANGRY! I know we have been here before but it feels new and I think every time it escalates.  Any suggestions?
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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2012, 04:48:43 PM »

Oh my gosh, so sorry to hear this, and its a bit discouraging to see that she is 38, my doc says they get better as they get older.

I am not very good at giving you any ideas, except that I feel emotionally detached at times usually when my dd goes off and does not contact me, but I was saying, I am now wondering if she is also trying me out to see if I love her.

So then I try to send her nice messages and it helped a bit.

You must have more experience than a lot of people on this board, Ive only got a 17 year dd with BPD so its quite new to me
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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2012, 04:55:56 PM »

Hi Golden,

I am so sorry to hear about your D.
It can be so scarey and stressful to go thru what you are going thru.

I believe your T is accurate when he/she says to detach. She either will get better on her own with help or she will not...it has nothing to do with you.
She is on her own course.

Take care of yourself and please oh please do not rescue her.









































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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2012, 06:19:08 PM »

Goldenthreads,

Have you ever tried Al-Anon?  It is support group for family of alcoholics/addicts.  I have never made it to a group, but I have attended family groups when my dd was in rehab.  Al-Anon was highly recommended.

Why was your dd only in detox for 10 days?   Usually, there is detox, then short-term rehab.  It is usually, a 28 day program.  I can see her detoxing in that amount of time, but not enough time to work on addiction.   A dual diagnosis treament would be ideal.

Many parents with addicted children become co-dependent.  I am the mother of an addict.  I have enabled.  We learn along the way.  I learned to quit giving her money.  I have heard stories of a dealer that threatened her if she did not pay money.  I was a fool and gave her the money to keep her safe.  Later, I learned that I was just giving her money to buy more drugs.  I told her that I would no longer pay off any money to dealers.  If she would put herself in that position, she better be prepared to get out of it.  I refused to pay anybody.  So, that line stopped.  She would think of all kinds of ways to get money from me.  And, I learned to stop giving her cash.

My dd would blame her behavior on me, while she was raging. She may have been raging because I would not let her take my car. She carried on like a two year-old.   And, she said that she probbaly would not have a drug addiction, if my sister was her mother.  It was my fault that she was an addict because I was not a good mother.  I could count on one hand, the amount of times that she said it.  It was, jsut a few, but it sure did sting when she said it.  Then, other times, she would say, it was not my fault tht she was screwed up.  She said that she gets it from her dad.  But, I believe she was cruel because she needed to go out and get a fix. 

I think that my dd is doing okay with her addiction, currently.  However, she is still a pot smoker.  And, I am curious as to how she lost so much weight in a short amount of time.  She has been in methadone tratment and is weaning to get off of it.  She claims that her weight loss was due to her anti-depressant.  However, I kow that is not  true.  I had to go to her apartment to shut off her crock pot.  I could not resist the urge to count her Effexor.  There were only 3 pills missing, so I know tht it was not that.  And, she does not even realize that I caught her in a lie, today.  I did not call her on it, though. It was not worth the battle.   I was telling her how the anti-depressants my dr. prescribed me made me feel like a zombie.  She said that she felt the same way ad had to quit taking her pills.  hmmm... So, how did she lose her weight, so fast?

I just have to believe that she is doing okay.  I think that she may lost her weight, with the aid of Adderall.  I know that she told me that she was disappointed that her psychiatrist did not prescribe it.  So, I suspect that she got some, somewhere.  Perhaps, he did prescribe it, but she is not telling me about it.  I just choose not to go searching.  She is an adult, living on her own.  As long, as she is not jeopardizing my gs, I am fine. 

I have reached a place where I have let go.   Our relationship is so much better.  We rarely have arguements, anymore.  Not living with her, anymore, and letting go.

I will tell you the words that my former T told me - Do not rescue her.  Do not bail her out, financially.  I don't know if anyone suggested the book by Gary & Joy Lundberg. "I DON'T HAVE TO MAKE EVERYTHING ALL BETTER".  That book is fantastic, and I still pull it out for a refresher every now and then.

Also, I have learned not to take things so personally, from my uBPDd.  I tell myself, it is the BPD.  And, this will pass... Empathy

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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2012, 03:14:12 AM »

Goldenthreds,

I liked the last bit that you said about detaching.

Does that mean that I should not say anything to my dd anout her staying out all night everynight then coming home at 7.30 am and sleeping till about 3pm then straight out again.

She has a bf who is 25 she is 17. I havent said anything, is that right.
Sorry to hijack but I really like some help and didnt know how else to ask and as it came up anyway.
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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2012, 12:15:47 PM »

Thanks so much for the responses.  It's so nice just not to feel so alone and tired of burdening good friends with all the ongoing craziness!  It's really sad for my family and for all of you who are trying so hard to find a way to have a peaceful caring r/s with our pwBPD.

heronbird:  I certainly have been involved in the BPD experience for a long time but I feel like I'm just getting a better understanding (as much as you can).  It's good for that you are already reaching out in this venue and your dd is only 17.  The one thing I've learned is boundaries are very important.  I believe my h and I made a huge mistake from the beginning by never setting strong boundaries and when we did allowing dd's manipulation around them.  It isn't easy sticking with boundaries...in our case they were met with a great deal of anger.

peaceplease:  I think the AA/detox was my dd's way of trying to show the court system that she was repentant...but who knows that could just be my speculation.  She has been in a duel diagnosis program before (4 months) as well as three day programs two of which she didn't complete.     

Wishing you peace for today     
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