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« on: April 17, 2012, 09:13:32 AM »

i experience a classic case of Dr. Jekyll and Ms. Hyde...
up till now, i have been defending myself in rages and sometimes even yelling back because i can't stand being verbally attacked anymore.
i had a better handle on my boundaries during the most recent rage. but the things that were said were just so hurtful...and there was no apology or remorse. im thinking that my partner either a) doesn't think it's a big deal, or b) does think it's a big deal and really is remorseful but doesn't want to confront it.
the day after the rage, i was being idealized again. but i feel a lot of sadness inside me because of the malicious words. i know it's best practice not to take things personally- can anyone provide some more tangible tips for this?
i feel like telling her how she made me feel while she is calm...and reiterating my boundary that holds my value on mutual respect. how has this played out for anyone else out there?
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« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2012, 10:36:33 PM »

You are right, the words that erupt during a rage can be very painful and idealization that follows can seem quite hollow.  It is hard to know what they are really thinking or feeling often they aren't really sure themselves. 

You are learning about boundaries both in T and here.  One thing that may not have been mentioned in the replies to your question from the other day is boundaries are really protection for us.  In this case, if you remove yourself from the situation where you are being verbally attacked then you are safe from it.

I suggest having a discussion when she is calm and starting by reiterating your boundaries.  She may apologize or she may not.  No matter what she does having consistent boundaries you can often prevent it going forward.  When she learns you back up your words with actions she will be less likely to verbally assault you because there will be no payoff for her.  So that alone can make a huge difference.  Worse case by following though on boundaries you can escape the situation for the most part.
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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2012, 05:28:22 PM »

i experience a classic case of Dr. Jekyll and Ms. Hyde...
up till now, i have been defending myself in rages and sometimes even yelling back because i can't stand being verbally attacked anymore.
i had a better handle on my boundaries during the most recent rage. but the things that were said were just so hurtful...and there was no apology or remorse. im thinking that my partner either a) doesn't think it's a big deal, or b) does think it's a big deal and really is remorseful but doesn't want to confront it.
the day after the rage, i was being idealized again. but i feel a lot of sadness inside me because of the malicious words. i know it's best practice not to take things personally- can anyone provide some more tangible tips for this?
i feel like telling her how she made me feel while she is calm...and reiterating my boundary that holds my value on mutual respect. how has this played out for anyone else out there?

Hi doingdance,

to answer your question - it has not played out well. When dysregulated anything your told will be overruled by lower level instincts. Boundaries are under our control so we need to be able to protect ourselves from being abused e.g. by walking out of the door. Which initially will result in escalating extinction burst behavior. But after a few walk outs behavior is affected through some other mechanisms that are at play here.

It is very important to have worked through the boundary workshops and have thought it through and discussed it for your specific situation. Details matter. This is not easy at all at the beginning, often scary but worthwhile as the payback is lasting.
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« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2012, 06:02:13 PM »

 Hi!

The last time I was being demonized (painted black) I stayed calm...I didn't argue and most importantly I realized for the first time that the negative comments being hurled at me were characteristics of the BPD. They were assigning me what they believed to be their flaws...When I did contact my friend after two days she raged a little more and then to my surprise said to give a a few days and she would cool down...and she did  Doing the right thing

no yelling back
staying calm --rational
no blaming or shamming on my part
not taking the rant personally
accepting her for who she is

I don't know if these actions will always work to return our friendship to an emotionally stable plane but I am very happy they produced positive results.

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