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« on: April 20, 2012, 11:59:38 AM »

I am having a hrd time with this and I feel like the only way to set my mind at ease is to talk to others that have been through this. I was with my uBPD gf for almost 4 yrs..we got engaged 1.5 yrs into the relationship..the sex was amazing and spontaneous. About 6 months into the relationship she wanted to stop having sex due to moral reasons..( the whole christian thing) and it started making me insecure and not wanted. Well when I first met her there was this guy "friend" and I say that because that is what she called it. she would meet him for coffee..lunch..etc..well a month after I met her..this guys started dropping off flowers at her door step..and I told her she needed to take care of that..2 months later..more flowers on vday..month later..texts from him in bed at 11pm at night saying "goodnight smiley ) I never understood why she wouldnt resolve this and cut it off and would get defensive torward me. Few monthe later they meet for lunch behind my back and he gets upset that she " will not spend more time with him" then several months later..she lies one night and meets him for dinner as a business dinner. This is the first time I lost it..she begged me that she would cut it off. During one argument on this issue and texts at midnight..i confronted her about it and she said she wanted to breakup..and her phone started ringing and it was the same guy at 9am..she would make comments like..well we are not having sex anymore and I dont want you to leave but thats up to you? WTH.. well I tried to talk to her sensibly..got on my heels infront of her work chair..and she went and told her family that I was standing over her with my hands wrapped around her wrists holding her in the chair..so naturally her family disliked me after that..and that never happend the way she says and actually I believe she believes that it happened that way.. well she moves out to her sisters..then they have issues and she moves back in with me in one month..everything seems to be going better and we get engaged..but before I asked her she started wanting sex again..well the night I proposed she didnt want to have sex and didnt seem excited..I was shattered. we get back home..and issues start again..she lost her phone and had all her messages forwared to my phone..She kept wanting me to test the texts and I knew something was wrong..long story short she started talking to her ex fiance..lied about it said it will never happen again. well 4 months later I go out of town for a week and I could tell when I got back home something wasnt right. I found out she was talking to her ex fiance the whole week 2 hrs a day..and looked back and a few months before in January at a church retreat and during the day for several hrs..there was about 60 hrs of phone calls. When I confronted her..she moves out get her own place but we keep seeing each other..everytime I wasnt around she reached out to exes..guys that were interested in her..flirt etc. I ave seen electronics and saw these things in writing and it blew my mind. The sadest part when I first starting dating her I had exes reach out to me and I didnt respond..it upset her and she tolm me that I need to take care of those issues and it was not appropiate for exes who I was intimate with to be reaching out..is doublestandards the norm with these people? She would test other guys in the bathroom at my house..flirt..and say that they were just freinds..made me out that I didnt trust her..had issues..trust issues..insecure..I had to get on meds to deal wiuth these things and she would throw that in my face.."your are the one on meds" " did you not take your meds today?"  one time I couldnt reach her..for about 3 hrs..and could tell she was on the phone..she finally called back and I asked her if she was on the phone..or talking to her ex fiance..she gave me grief..saying I was parinoid..didnt trust her..or respect her..etc..I apologized and begged to see her that night. When I got to her house..she acted distant..she let her dogs outside and I looked at her phone..guess what..she was talking to the ex fiance..when I confronted her about it she denied it until i told her I looked..she grabbed the phone and said where? I said you were on the phone w him for almost 3 hrs..she said how can you tell that and deleted the call.. sorry for the long message ..like I said..how can they do this? How can someone love someone and rip their heart out like this..I just dont get it...she talked to about 6 guys at a time that I knew of that were just "riends"..the weird thing..all these guys were not attractive..or alpha males..I was the only alpha male that she dated..this woman is very attractive and is in sales..extremely narristic..but there was a very loving side as well..as long as you didnt confront her things were good but I couldnt be a doormat. most times when we split up..she would be on a well known dating site within a week! Its just nuts..sad thing is I still love her..Has anyone experienced behavior like this? Thanks sorry for the long post
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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2012, 12:08:56 PM »

its like they have no empathy..no soul..heart..but can go to church and act perfect..constantly lie..discard you like you are nothing.. twist the truth to something completely different..see themselves as " im a good person..everyone likes me" ... you cant address issues with them..they will turn it on you and blame you for them lying to you..its just crazy...i was/am thinking it is me. The really sad part is I still miss her and want to talk to her..
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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2012, 12:26:36 PM »

No isitme123 you are not losing your mind you are or were involved with a MENTALLY DISORDED woman and this is one way the disorder manifests.
Because they dont have a sense of self which results in the inability to be alone well they arent alone. EVER.
All those "friends"? Mine a lesbian has them too. Lotsa 'friends". In a moment of striking honesty she admitted that 99.9 % of these "friends" either wanted sex from her or she wanted it from them. So these supposed friends are just"SUPPLY" really.
Try not to take her behavior personally. She is mentally ill.
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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2012, 12:37:38 PM »

The sad thing is..I look 100 times better than these guys that she kept talking to. I kept trying and trying..she would say things like I love you but not in love with you anymore..and would say I was head over heels in love with you once and want to be there again.. I usually have about a week cycle where I want to call her or stop by and talk,,but I know I shouldnt..i feel like I am the one that wants to call and try to talk to her..but everyone here says thats what BPDs do? I have seen an email the she wrote my aunt and me calling her only feeds her narccism.. but there is a part of me that still loves her and misses her..its amazing how sweet they can be..and have double standards and do these things behind your back..and deny it..lie in your face when you have proof..etc.
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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2012, 01:20:40 PM »

"Has anyone experienced behavior like this?"

lol. Are you kidding me? I have experienced most of what you talked about, with my exBPDgf with whom I'm into 2nd month of no contact, and who moved in with my replacement a week after the breakup. My experience:

- She says "I feel I'm gonna end up with you; I love you more than anything; etc." then "I don't love you; I love my ex more; etc."
- While accepting the breakup I proposed but that she drove, she said "you are the best thing that ever happened to me; people like you, we meet once in a lifetime" and then moved in with my replacement a week later
- One day after I broke up with her and she gladly accepted, she called me and sent me constant texts, mainly mentioning about sweet memories and stuff (immediate reengagement attempts). I did not answer
- She used to see my replacement to "end it" with him, while I was waiting at home. I accepted once, twice, but after that I snapped. How many times do you need to END IT with him? She probably was banging him.
- After she claimed she made him understand and he got it, I woke up one morning with 20 missed calls from him.
- I had proof (that I never showed her) that she was even talking to other guys while we were together, which she denied.
- I had proof also that she saw my replacement many times but she also denied, then capitulated and admitted, saying "she didn't want me to make movies in my head".
- She also called him "friend"
- She sometimes flirted with guys in front of me, and I would go nuts on her, and she doesn't think this is wrong; but when I do look at a girl passing by, she rages!

Yes, sex is indeed amazing. But let me tell you, they use it to manipulate you. Those creatures live through others. They want maximum attention, they need to feel wanted, even if you are showering them with caring and attention, they still want more and more and more.

But dude, trust me, I was going nuts. I still love her, but not the real "her". I love the girl I first met, the image of the person she managed to become for me. They purposely use sex when they are at the mirroring stage in order to hook you before you see through the mask, so they can capture you back if their sadistic plans fail. ALL of her exes begged for her. I am the first who dumped her and is not looking back.

Trust me, I lived for years without sex when I was in a LDR. Once they hook you sexually, you feel like you deserve it. Trust me, once you go NC for a while and stop having sex, your focus will automatically shift to assessing the damage she's done, and take an unbiased look at the whole thing from an outside perspective. I learned about BPD AFTER the breakup, and didn't see her / talk to her since. I am blessed to have very high emotional intelligence and can regulate my feelings quite well as I have been through crap in my life. I am also good at seeing through the masks of people. I don't think I'll ever see her again the way I used to, now that I learned about BPD. I probably won't even desire sex with her.

Focus on you. I have been in relationships before and sex was amazing as well. Sex can be managed to be great. You just have to be open and if your girl truly loves you and you truly love her, you can be in an amazingly fulfilling experience.

I suggest you just go NC. These people play games, that will lead you nowhere. They're in a field and people come and go in their life and once you're out, BE OUT. She will always be damaged, and she is NOT who you think she is.

The biggest problem for me was that I do have some pity for her. I passed through a stage where I considered talking to her about BPD. I know she might be good inside. But she is damaged by her upbringing and her weird parents. But my psychiatrist friend told me that it's not my job to tell her she's sick. She is the only one to want to seek help and be convinced of it. So I let it go. Just let her bite the dust a few more times in her life, and she might realize she is f'ed up and go seek help. You have already done your share of caring. She knows who you are to her. If she ever feels better and comes back to you, then you will see. But that's a long way from now. Good luck. Find someone else is the only way to salvation.
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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2012, 03:13:56 PM »

we could have been involved with the same person. Mine started that same thing with sex involving her religion after about 8 months. Called it her religious conviction (didnt bother her for the first 8 months) then it became her relationship issues. Then it became i was to paranoid, becuase she was always getting starnge phone call or tetx messages in the middle of the night from men or past boyfriend. Or having to take trips out of town that I couldnt go on. The are masters at turn anything around on you and making look like its your fault. I told her once that what she wants is no accountablity in other words, she can say or do anything she wants and I should never ask why or how come.
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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2012, 03:17:16 PM »

the sad thing is ..she is not accepting responsibility on these things..when we called off the engagement last april..we were still seeing each other..basically every night..I was in her bed during the week since it was close to work..and she was with me on the weekends.. what is getting back to me now..she is telling everyone we were not in a committed relationship since then.. but when I asked her during that time " are you with me?" are we trying to work things out" she would say yes.. I guess that is now her excuse for the reasons what she did. I just wished I knew who she is with now..one of the "friends" im sure it would make my stomach turn..as I know what these guys look like and have to offer.. its funny that I am the only relationship she has had that lives in the same city..the other relationships were all LDR. I do not know for sure if she is seeing someone..I just know her pattern when we would break up before..I just have a feeling..I mean...will they be the same way with everyone else? Its just weird that she wanted to stop having sex for moral reasons berofe we were married..but if she wanted to she could initiate..but I couldnt. One sunday for church..she approaches me for sex..the next week on sunday when I try she says " you need to be thinking about church..your thoughts are not in the right place.." WTH
When I would show her affection in other ways..I was being clingy..needy..desperate.. Would take her to mexico for her 30th bday..no sex.. try to kiss her and complained I was giving too much tongue.. " why cant you just accept a peck"  was something she would say. would tell the T that she was ok with vacation sex.. could twist stories like a super hero.. its just amazing.
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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2012, 04:30:51 PM »

Yes, sex is indeed amazing. But let me tell you, they use it to manipulate you. Those creatures live through others. They want maximum attention, they need to feel wanted, even if you are showering them with caring and attention, they still want more and more and more.

But dude, trust me, I was going nuts. I still love her, but not the real "her". I love the girl I first met, the image of the person she managed to become for me. They purposely use sex when they are at the mirroring stage in order to hook you before you see through the mask, so they can capture you back if their sadistic plans fail. ALL of her exes begged for her. I am the first who dumped her and is not looking back.

They won't let you have your bad days or good days without their emotional involvement somehow.  It's always about them.  They are like energy vampires and there's no making sense of it.  I think a part of the reason why I was so angry and kept going back was in some ways I was looking for redemption.  Not to sound arrogant but from what I see and hear about his exes... They were all selfish horrible mean people... And I wasn't like that and I also felt in many ways 'better' than them so I was mad that he couldn't appreciate me and treat me well.  I am slowly trying to tell myself and believe that it had nothing to do with me.  But it's a hard concept to wrap my head around.
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