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« on: April 21, 2012, 09:25:29 AM »

Hi

I am very much new to this forum (this is my 2nd post). I posted in the new members section and received a lot of great feedback and resources to look into. I almost feel as though I don't have the right to post this message because I haven't had a chance to follow up on the suggested readings. However, I am very much in the middle of dealing with this issue...and really just need to vent.

I am so on the fence about whether or not I want to proceed in my relationship with my SO who denies her BPD (says she tested positive on her psych eval because she was abused as a child...not because she "really" has BPD). Her family is very much aware of the situation, and they are extremely frustrated with her and her behavior. They tell me I am not alone in this...but I very much am! I've asked them to help me encourage her to find a professional who maybe able to better help her (she currently sees an unlicensed therapist who is not equipped to help her and  very much encourages her to play a victim. T also gives her a pass on accepting responsibility for her actions). Her family is scared too (I get that). I've asked them to read on BPD...but to my knowledge, they haven't.

My life feels upside down and out of control right now. I've stayed tied to this relationship for many reasons...and one of them being that I have a vision for what I want our life/future to look like. I am having the hardest time accepting that will probably never be the life I'll be able to build with her (and we've been together for 20 years). And in the past, when I've become close to walking away...she pulls me back and things are good for awhile and I start to have hope...and...BAM! I feel as though my life thus far has been me continually following her down the rabbit hole.

With the reading/research I have been able to do...It sounds as though my future will be carefully framing every word and action in order to validate her and to keep her from acting out. I feel as though that is a huge sacrifice and that I would be compromising myself in order to "keep peace" with her.

At the same time...I very much love her and long to share my life with her (or the person I want her to be?). We also have a S13 (almost 14) that I've got to consider (he is my biological child...not hers).  I thought staying was the right decision for him...but now I question that. Right now she is very much out of control...and it's taking its toll on me...and I know it has to be affecting him too (the forum here has been helpful). Just over three years ago, we moved across country...ever since then she's been in a spiral. I am slowly watching her destroy her career and her life and our family and I feel have no way to help her.

I am trying to create some space for myself right now...I feel as though I am too emotionally raw and exhausted to make any major decisions (evidenced by my frequent crying jags). But the more I pull away...the more her behavior intensifies. The more her behavior intensifies...the less I want to continue in the relationship. I know I have a lot of work to do and I have to get clear with myself before I can do anything. (I know it's a process..but I some answers, clarity, and a crystal ball would be nice right now). wink

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to get some of this off my chest. It is very helpful and gives me a chance to process some of my thoughts and emotions.
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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2012, 09:56:40 AM »

Welcome Sam,

I am very much new to this forum (this is my 2nd post). I posted in the new members section and received a lot of great feedback and resources to look into. I almost feel as though I don't have the right to post this message because I haven't had a chance to follow up on the suggested readings. However, I am very much in the middle of dealing with this issue...and really just need to vent.
this illness is complex and it does take a time to wrap your head around it and then your head hurts for a while. Empathy

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I am so on the fence about whether or not I want to proceed in my relationship with my SO who denies her BPD (says she tested positive on her psych eval because she was abused as a child...not because she "really" has BPD). Her family is very much aware of the situation, and they are extremely frustrated with her and her behavior. They tell me I am not alone in this...but I very much am! I've asked them to help me encourage her to find a professional who maybe able to better help her (she currently sees an unlicensed therapist who is not equipped to help her and  very much encourages her to play a victim. T also gives her a pass on accepting responsibility for her actions). Her family is scared too (I get that). I've asked them to read on BPD...but to my knowledge, they haven't.
You are closer you so you got a more intense problem. While it feels like you are alone you got us and it may be worth getting a T.

With the reading/research I have been able to do...It sounds as though my future will be carefully framing every word and action in order to validate her and to keep her from acting out. I feel as though that is a huge sacrifice and that I would be compromising myself in order to "keep peace" with her.
This is fortunately a common misconception. While we pay close attention on how we speak and how we act we don't bend over backwards, please our SOs or have an appeasement strategy. We focus on respectful communication and behavior and try our best to protect ourselves from any disrespect. We build skills that allow us to recover from mistakes that happen in real life so we don't have to walk on eggshells. We get a deeper understanding of our SO so we can better address them.

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I am trying to create some space for myself right now...I feel as though I am too emotionally raw and exhausted to make any major decisions (evidenced by my frequent crying jags).
You are certainly at the end of your rope. But then this is a good position to start making changes for the better.  Empathy

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But the more I pull away...the more her behavior intensifies. The more her behavior intensifies...the less I want to continue in the relationship.
You pulling away is increasing fear of abandonment on her side. And fear is a hard to control emotion. Any statement from you to reassure her will be invalidating to her and make matters worse. Read up on invalidation and validation in the LESSONS.

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I know I have a lot of work to do and I have to get clear with myself before I can do anything. (I know it's a process..but I some answers, clarity, and a crystal ball would be nice right now). wink
Wise. It takes time to digest and figure out where you want to head. And until then it is best to work on yourself and gather strength and maybe the relationship or your view of it improves.

As you are not aiming to make a decision right now this thread is moved to the staying board as there is better support for coping with your situation.
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« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2012, 01:44:51 AM »

Hi Sam 71

I am new here but have been with my BpdH for 30 years. There are times when I have seen 'breakthroughs' in his understanding of his disorder. But unfortunately, when he begins raging, he is unable to see that he is having an 'episode' and he is unable to understand, thus unable to control his irrational outbursts. The only thing that has worked for him is medication. Does your wife admit that she has a problem? Would she be open to taking meds? The meds have really help reduce the intervals between outbursts and the length of his raging.
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« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2012, 02:04:55 AM »

I'm very glad that you found us  smiley

After 20 years its' easy to understand being tired and losing hope. Loving someone who is mentally ill isn't easy, yet change for the better is possible.

Change begets change.
Any action creates a reaction, so that is where we focus our efforts.

The two of you have most likely established some pretty unhealthy ways of interacting. Since she isn't capable of changing (or motivated to) this means that "you" will have to strength to work on what you can - yourself  Empathy

That feeling of being overwhelmed and crushed comes from trying to do all of this on your own. You now have a place to turn for support.

So my first question - what sort of activities or things do you do for yourself?
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« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2012, 11:23:28 PM »

Thanks for the responses to my post.

An hour after I wrote it...she went into a rage and packed a bag and said she wasn't coming home (of course a few hours later she's texting me and asking me to go shopping with her). I declined the shopping trip and instead focused on taking care of myself. I went on a long hike with my dog and treated myself to a healthy dinner out (I've NEVER done anything like that before...my friend called it my Independence Day!) smiley

During her rage she went into how I was so incredibly selfish and how I put needs of S13 before her (?). She is a 41yo child...a spoiled brat! I honestly don't think I can do this anymore. It is having a tremendous effect on S and me both. I've had nightmares every night for the last week and a half. I'm barely holding it together at work...and I sat with a friend on Saturday morning and just cried my eyes out (these things are NOT like me!).  cry

Your point about changing habits is well taken...something I've been working on for quite some time. I am doing MUCH better...especially now that I have some perspective on what's going on. She certainly is NOT interested in changing. She won't even acknowledge there is an issue. "We" cause her to act this way because we...(insert lame excuse here). I am learning much from the boards here...as well as my T. {please don't get me wrong...i do not but all of the blame on her...I know I have had my part -- and am working hard to make things better!}

She is on medication for depression...however, she refuses to acknowledge that she has BPD...so she is not receiving any form of treatment. She very much enjoys playing the victim...and therefore is not interested in anything that may make her life easier/better.

I am VERY much focused on my son and myself. I am learning what I need to do to take care of myself. Taking that hike on Sat (and Sunday) was HUGE for me. I'm learning how to avoid saying (or reacting) in a way that may upset her. I also work a 12-Step program that helps me stay centered and focused. I'm also trying to get back into doing some artwork and be creative (I'm a graphic artist).

I feel as though I will eventually have to leave this relationship -- I am not there yet. But I have compromised everything I want out of life...to follow an empty dream of a future with her.

Thank you for your insight and support. It is VERY much appreciated. I hope my response makes some sense (I am very tired and working on a migraine).

Thanks again!
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« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2012, 11:32:46 PM »

 Welcome!

You will know what the right thing to do for yourself is when the time is right.  In the mean time, I'm glad you are taking care of your S. 

When you have questions post them here.  Many will try to offer suggestions.  I have found the skills learned here are helpful for my every day life as well. 
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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2012, 02:23:52 AM »

That's so great. Being physically active has so many benefits  smiley

Change starts small and builds as we gain confidence that we are doing the right thing...and you are doing he right thing  Empathy

How did she behave when you got back?
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