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« Reply #60 on: June 24, 2012, 09:06:08 AM »

Loved your post, Merlin.

I have a question. How do the four types look (hermit, queen, etc.) look? Can you define them? Can they switch from one to another?

I'm a female and my ex was male. But he was very "waif-ish" at times.

I'd appreciate your insight.
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« Reply #61 on: June 24, 2012, 09:56:45 AM »

Mirdin, I haven't posted in awhile, I was offline reading your post.  All I can say is I'm going to print this out so I can read it over and over, it absolutely is one of the most helpful pieces I've read on here and believe me there have been countless great posts for me!  Thank you for your insightful thoughts and please keep posting!  Doing the right thing
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« Reply #62 on: June 24, 2012, 10:34:58 AM »

Yeah Mirdin, Thanks!

I needed this today!  It seems a lot of us did,  lol

It's helpful to just blast them sometimes, and what you wrote actually is true and makes sense (while of course we still know they are ill...).

I'm gonna go for a bike ride and think of this post and feel better!  Dang! Empathy

p.s. Jeez, BentnotBroken, that was just not nice, you know? My guess is that the poster does know what paragraphs are. 
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« Reply #63 on: June 24, 2012, 10:49:01 AM »

Not to be a jerk, but do you know what paragraphs are? They make it much easier to read when topics and subtopics are broken up into manageable chunks. I read the previous posts by mirdin, and while insightful they would be much more effective if broken up into readable chunks (paragraphs) instead of 18th century multi-page paragraphs.

Think of the new person here who is in the midst of being painted black, and their entire world has come crashing down. It's a little hard to concentrate under those conditions.

You're not a jerk, and you are right, and I did write the story will be more "structured". I know what you mean and I agree with you, but you can be just a little more gentle in stating your opinions, other than that, no worries, no offense taken at all smiley

Not to be a jerk, but do you know what paragraphs are? They make it much easier to read when topics and subtopics are broken up into manageable chunks. I read the previous posts by mirdin, and while insightful they would be much more effective if broken up into readable chunks (paragraphs) instead of 18th century multi-page paragraphs.

Think of the new person here who is in the midst of being painted black, and their entire world has come crashing down. It's a little hard to concentrate under those conditions.
WOW!...After all he shared with us.After all the heart and soul he opened up with.After becoming VULNERABLE.And all you got to say is this..WOW,WOW,WOW...You sound like my Dad and Ex..You may have ''traits'' of BPD...rolmfao...

Maybe you should of sent him a PM in ''private''.Don't you think that would of been a bit more Polite.Then to SHAME him on here.?

I shared because someone might learn from it, I did open up, but I did not become vulnerable because I am over my ex, therefore rethinking the story and everything that happened and has been said helps further.
I was vulnerable and when I was vulnerable that was when my ex could play the mindgames. Since she can't, and since I learned so many things, she cannot do any further damage. This is what YOU need to do as well, not to be vulnerable.
He did not put me to shame, and I do recognize my mistakes and I could be honest and tell you it was 3 AM when I wrote it, but it matters not, he is right and you are right as well. I should of made it more structured and he could of PM'd me, it will be done next time, which is now smiley
PS: What he said and how he said it is far from a BPD trait smiley Let;s try not to judge people by their cover
EDIT: I think you missed his last sentence, in which it's clear he is or was through a hard breakup, possibly with a BPD, in a way, he did apologize, I noticed it later as well. It is VERY hard to concentrate when your world comes crashing down, you are painted black and you are trying to make sense of what just happened.
Loved your post, Merlin.

I have a question. How do the four types look (hermit, queen, etc.) look? Can you define them? Can they switch from one to another?

I'm a female and my ex was male. But he was very "waif-ish" at times.

I'd appreciate your insight.

I really liked it how you made the connection between my nickname "Mirdin" and from where it comes from, even if you did not notice, that made me smile smiley
About the 4 different BPD traits, they can switch and they can combine traits, which makes them harder to spot. But each has their own unique traits.
Borderline Queen:
Driven by feelings of emptiness and unable to soothe themselves, Queens do what it takes to get what they feel they so richly deserve--including vindictive acts like blackmail. Initially they may impress others with their social graces. But when "friends" can no longer deliver, the Queen cuts them off without a thought. Queens are capable of real manipulation (vs. more primitive BP defenses) to get what they desire.
Their Motto: "It's all about me!"
Bordelrine Witch:
Witches want power and control over others so that others do not abandon them. When someone or something triggers the Witches' abandonment fear, these Borderlines can become brutal and full of rage, even punishing or hurting family members who stand in their way. These types of Borderlines are most resistant to treatment: they will not allow others to help and the source of self-loathing is very deep.
Their Motto: "Life is too hard"
Borderline Hermit:
The hard shell makes these Borderlines appear confident, determined, independent, and even socially graceful. But it's a veneer. Like many Borderlines, hermits show one face to the world and another to everyone else. Close family members experience, "distrust, perfectionism, insecurity, anxiety, rage and paranoia". They hold everyone to same ideal of perfection, punishing others by raging or shutting them out. Hermits fear losing themselves, which translates into possessiveness about their belongings.
Borderline Waif: (The most familiar to me so I have a little more info)
-The Waif often does not rage externally. They do not lash out and put you down like other Borderlines. Instead, their rage is held or directed inside.
-The Borderline Waif is often very feminine, and demure.
-They often display an immature nature or speak in a youthful voice. (Not always applicable and notice the OR in the sentence)
-The Borderline Waif is often a high-functioning Borderline. They have professional careers and perform well there.
-They have an incredible ability to put on a happy, fun front socially, keeping their true self hidden from social and professional acquaintances.
-They play the victim role well. They appear in need of your help and often are readily accepting the help and assistance from others, but still seeing themselves as independent.
-They are very sexual and often move very quickly into sexual situations. (Even if they reject you for sex, this trait is not always applicable, sometimes they reject sex altogether)
-They do not accept responsibility and rarely if ever are they the source of their life_
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« Reply #64 on: June 24, 2012, 10:59:40 AM »

Great posts indeed and it's spot on. It matches perfectly like you described Mine was a Waif, but had also charistics of a Witch. And about wearing different masks for everyone is so true... one big act. I wish everbody knew who she really is. And the out of sight, out of mind I experienced too. A good example is:
She dumped me after triangulation (read definition) with her ex, continued staying with her ex and found a new victim in the triangle to replace me with (I'm sure she was in contact with him before she dumped me). Her ex kicked her out about a month later because he had enough of the bullsh#t she was playing between the new victim and him. And... I was back in the picture and she texted/called me like crazy since she had no place to stay. I took her back like an idiot. But not long after she was with me, she left me again and went to that new victim. She tried to call me, but I rejected it and never responded. It's 4 months later now and they live together. I think she just wanted me in the triangle again. No more drama for me and I wish them all the luck!

But like I mentioned I my topic, it's a bit weird that she's still using my name and poems I made in online profiles. I hope it has nothing to do with me and used for her new victim, but still it's weird. I hope it's not to keep me in her memory...
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« Reply #65 on: June 24, 2012, 11:12:13 AM »

Great posts indeed and it's spot on. It matches perfectly like you described Mine was a Waif, but had also charistics of a Witch. And about wearing different masks for everyone is so true... one big act. I wish everbody knew who she really is. And the out of sight, out of mind I experienced too. A good example is:
She dumped me after triangulation (read definition) with her ex, continued staying with her ex and found a new victim in the triangle to replace me with (I'm sure she was in contact with him before she dumped me). Her ex kicked her out about a month later because he had enough of the bullsh#t she was playing between the new victim and him. And... I was back in the picture and she texted/called me like crazy since she had no place to stay. I took her back like an idiot. But not long after she was with me, she left me again and went to that new victim. She tried to call me, but I rejected it and never responded. It's 4 months later now and they live together. I think she just wanted me in the triangle again. No more drama for me and I wish them all the luck!

But like I mentioned I my topic, it's a bit weird that she's still using my name and poems I made in online profiles. I hope it has nothing to do with me and used for her new victim, but still it's weird. I hope it's not to keep me in her memory...

Nobody will ever know who she is, simply because She does not know who she is. Another thing you must realize. People with BPD live in the NOW, in the present, they rarely think of the past or future like non BPD's. She is using your names and poems because they do not let go either. 4 months is really fresh, I heard of cases in which exes with BPD reiniated contact after 2-5 even 10-15 years. Like I said, they never really move on. But you have to, and you can.
One more thing, you really need to stop thinking about the following things: What is she thinking, what is she doing, does she miss you, does she love you. I could answer these questions for you, or you will answer them yourself after you healed a little more.
Until then, please think about yourself and yourself alone, stop being the "caregiver" and stop being the "everyone else come first" kind of guy like I was. Yes, it does make you a really nice guy, but it also makes you vulnerable to manipulation and even worse, a future relationship with another BPD. You really need to avoid these things.
I am not saying stop being a nice guy and start being a jerk, but just be a little more careful, do things that fit your needs first, help others who deserve it and if you help someone who treats you badly after you help them, they no longer deserve it. Remember that. That is how you will find integrity and you will gain the respect of many more people you never thought of. Be a little more selfish and vigilant, that's all I'm saying.
Be careful, especially until you heal. Right now you are most vulnerable. This is the time you will see who really loves you and cares for you, so pay attention to that as well smiley
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« Reply #66 on: June 24, 2012, 11:39:09 AM »

I agree. I have no idea who my ex was. Two years on and recollecting the strange events that led to my exhaustion and subsequent awareness that it was a relationship for one, I still don't know. Her plans were so well executed or at least appeared that way, however I gave her too much latitude. There were conversations before the extinction burst where I confronted her. Up to that point I was such a nice guy and then it started to sink in that she was not feeling anything between us, ever. It was all lies. Like watching the end of the movie the Usual Suspects when all is revealed in the very last scene. In the weeks before, she praised the baby, totally ignored me, increased the put downs and recycled but played it so close that nobody knew what was going on. Her ex was back after his RO expired and I didn't even see it. How blind was I? I have no doubt things would have gotten a lot worse. Being out of this person's life is a gift. I am hoping that she does not reach out after the RO is up in August. Especially since you mention they sometimes do this.

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« Reply #67 on: June 24, 2012, 12:34:17 PM »

We are all between rocks and hard places.  The only time they don't resent us is when they're trying to recycle us and we are meeting some need they have.  Even then, the lack of resentment is fleeting and nebulous (i.e. they will continue to paint us black while simultaneously recycling or immediately after the recycle attempt ends).  Obviously, being enmeshed is not healthy for us.

If we manage to resist the recycle, they seriously resent us.  That's not healthy for us either, because we are people with "normal" emotions and are hurt by unsubstantiated hatred.  The only solution is to practice "radical acceptance" that the latter state is the healthiest thing for us and build on it.  Not a very satisfactory resolution to the most confusing, painful and traumatic experience many of us have ever been through.   Empathy
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« Reply #68 on: June 24, 2012, 07:59:32 PM »

Mirdin - WOW!

I have not posted in a while but had too as your post resonated with me. The words you use -"My ex was a Borderline Waif, the "victim". Trust me she seemed the most innocent, purest and heartbroken person on earth" I could write myself.

Every ex apparently used, cheated and hurt her. She did not drink as it disappointed her parents, she pushed over guys who tried to crack onto her - this is what she told me. The reality was during our 2yr relationship i found out she was shagging south american exchange students, passing out in bushes drunk and had a plethora of guys on the go at any one time. All the while potraying the sweet innocent pure 'victim'.

Anyway i digress - i have had no contact for about 11 months and what has got me through is my therapist. Her tact was - get angry look what she did - hate her dont love her. That worked well for the first stages - however now the "sting" so to speak is gone. As in yes she hurt me more than anyone in my life ever but that was a year ago so its hard to hold onto "hate" for that long.

I guess im seeking knowledge know to complete the healing process - as in why? - they are grown adults - telling me i dont drink then passing out in a bush drunk is an obvious contradiction so why lie? surely they no lieing is wrong?  The fact i would not have cared one bit if she drank as i am out 2-3 nights a week and drink so she could have just told me the truth. This is just one example of many... i guess she was trying to paint the picture of the innocent, pure, "victim". I fell for that - harder than i ever have in my life.

Thanks again - Mirdin - your post was one of the most profound things i have ever read on the topic.
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