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« on: February 26, 2015, 12:39:04 PM »

Hello everyone!

As some of you probably know, my H has not talked to his parents in 4 months now. No reason... .he just does this every once in a while. He gets depressed... .ignores a call or two, then feels bad about ignoring said call, then feels so much shame he pushes off calling them back to the point to where it gets ridiculous. He thinks they are thinking this or that about him... .and they don't. He sees a 20 foot mountain, we see a 20 inch mound of dust.

Anyways, his son and wife are visiting this weekend. I told them about his parents moving out of state, and they would like to visit their grandparents while they are in town.

After dragging his feet, today he has kept the car and said he's going to go see his mother and father today, and set up something to see them over the weekend.

My question is how do I handle this situation if when he comes to pick me up and he hasn't talked to them or seen them after all? It's not fair to his son to not be able to see his grandparents, so I wouldn't have a problem setting something up without him. However, I feel like that's not my place and in the long run would hurt him by me doing too much for him.

What's the best way to say something if he didn't go over there? How would I bring up it needing to be done tomorrow? This is one of those landmine situations I wish I had a map for... .
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« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2015, 02:29:34 PM »

 

My gut says stay out of it... .

If he asks or brings it up... .then give your opinion... .it's up to him what he does with that opinion.

If it is a "joint visit" and he backs out... .then you are fine to continue... .he doesn't control you... .just like you don't control him... .but I don't think that is the case here.

By the same token... .if he doesn't follow you advice and it makes a mess... .I would stay out of cleaning up the mess

It's tough to watch our significant others make what we consider mistakes or "shoot themselves in the foot" with their FOO r/s issues.

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« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2015, 03:16:07 PM »

My gut says stay out of it... .

If he asks or brings it up... .then give your opinion... .it's up to him what he does with that opinion.

If it is a "joint visit" and he backs out... .then you are fine to continue... .he doesn't control you... .just like you don't control him... .but I don't think that is the case here.

By the same token... .if he doesn't follow you advice and it makes a mess... .I would stay out of cleaning up the mess

It's tough to watch our significant others make what we consider mistakes or "shoot themselves in the foot" with their FOO r/s issues.

*nod* It's tough. It's tougher to explain to other loved ones the un-explainable. The past few times I spoke to his mother... .she keeps asking me if there's something she had done to cause this illness in him. I lie and say it has nothing to do with her. What she had done wasn't out of spitefulness or neglect. She just... .didn't know she was damaging him.

I don't like lying. It's hard for me to do it even for a good reason.
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« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2015, 05:08:07 PM »

 

There is an interesting thread about triangulation... .I'll see if I can find a link a bit later on.

Really... she should be asking your hubby these questions.

What do you see the mom's role "in the way he is"

Most of us have some sort of "foo issue"... .I think the trick is to understand those issues... .so we are at least aware
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« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2015, 05:24:34 PM »

I think the big driving force of his BPD was the sexual abuse he suffered from a family friend. Let's just say it was pretty extensive. However, about that same time his mother got involved in a cult-y church... .a church he did not want to attend. He was the middle kid... .and one of the neighbors he grew up around described him as "the forgotten child", he was always playing outside alone.

His parents sort of... .just didn't 'parent' him. She went and did her own thing... .his dad refused to go to church as well, and he would tell her he's going to take my H fishing with him on those days only to leave him home alone and go with my H's older cousins instead.

She's a lovely lady, and I don't believe it was on purpose... .she just found something she got into and kind of spent too much time on that. His father is a bit difficult. He was a hard man, and sometimes unreasonable.

My H and his mom have never talked about his condition. His parents are aware of it because I told them. They are more of the 'head in the sand' sort. It makes all of it so interesting Laugh out loud (click to insert in post)  
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« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2015, 12:19:05 AM »

These are adult children.  Why do either of need to be involved?  Why can' t you tell the son that he should contact the grandparents and set up the visit on his own?  The husband can be involved or not as he chooses and son gets to see grandparents.
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« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2015, 06:42:07 AM »

These are adult children.  Why do either of need to be involved?  Why can' t you tell the son that he should contact the grandparents and set up the visit on his own?  The husband can be involved or not as he chooses and son gets to see grandparents.

Couple things... .

If there is a history in the family of the parents being involved in setting up these visits... .and that seems to be working for everyone... .probably ok to continue... .there is no precedent to be set... .    In this situation if nobody can remember the last time they have been asked if this is working... .probably worth asking... .vice assuming.

If this is a new thing.  My advice is minimize involvement in this.  Maybe "pass the word"... ."Hey Johnny... .I have heard that granny would like to see you when you come in to visit.  Can you find time to go see her?  Can you let me know what you think your schedule will be when you are here?"

Let it go at that.

The key... .it would seem to me... .is if it is working and promoting health relationships... .or not.

Thoughts?
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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2015, 06:46:22 AM »

My H and his mom have never talked about his condition. His parents are aware of it because I told them. They are more of the 'head in the sand' sort. It makes all of it so interesting Laugh out loud (click to insert in post)  

Remind me again... .is your hubby diagnosed?

What is the plan/purpose for talking to his parents about this?  Where does this fit with him getting better... and your r/s with him getting better.

Which reminds me... .   How is it going?  Compared to a couple months ago. 

My pattern seems to be continuing.  Overall... the r/s seems to be getting better... .but when it gets weird... .it gets weirder... .more out of left field.  Like the issue of my wife going to move a kid into the house... and I didn't have a choice because of God.       

Last few days have been top notch... .yesterday was tedious... .but that was more about me... rather than the r/s.
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« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2015, 09:26:58 AM »

These are adult children.  Why do either of need to be involved?  Why can' t you tell the son that he should contact the grandparents and set up the visit on his own?  The husband can be involved or not as he chooses and son gets to see grandparents.

My H just became re-acquainted with is son this past summer. He wasn't around when he grew up. It's a long story, but basically H's son's mother gave him up to her mother, and she ran out of state with him before anyone knew what was going on. This is before Internet and such.

Yes, my H is diagnosed. His family knew there were 'issues', but they didn't know exactly what they were. He has been hospitalized in the past. It's one of those deals where for the longest time... .they'd rather not know and pretend like everything is fine.

His son is coming from out of town to visit us for a few days. We are picking them up since they don't have reliable transportation. With that being said, we are all going to be visiting together. It only makes sense for us to all coordinate together. The visit is the catalyst for my H's need to talk to his mother.

He ended up not making it yesterday. Last night, he started talking about how he feels his paranoia is getting worse for the passed 3 years. He said he knows he's sometimes seeing things that are not there (this fills in that issue a few months back when he thought my son was 'sneaking' out of bed when he was asleep the whole time) . He also said after the last time he saw his parents, he had a bad dream that the next time he sees his dad, it will be the last time. He firmly believes that.

After he was talking about all of this, it opened up the conversation for therapy. He said he would be willing to try... .but we will see. I think he meant it at the time... .but he won't follow through. Right after that he decided he wanted to go make me some eggs (it's kind of his thing... .he cooks for me when he feels bad) and he ended up dropping the olive oil on the floor... .glass and oil all over the kitchen title.

He came back in... .pacing... .complaining about the salt and pepper not being on the counter that it should have been there and not in the spice rack. Then he started saying something about cooking spray (it's dysregulation from dropping the oil and making a mess)

Long story short we got some weird-o dysregulation where he tried to attack me with some junk about how I play a machine at the casino. (We go once... .maybe twice a year tops) I push the button too fast or... .whatever. I simply said I am not going to listen to him yelling. If he wants to talk... I will talk. I will not yell.

He huffed and puffed... .but did calm down.

I'm glad you have had some good days, FF. I know you have been dealing with some head scratchers lately. Sometimes they just feel bad and it comes out weird because they don't know how to handle it... .or probably not aware of what's bothering them.

Our communication is opening though. Slowly but surely. At this time last year... he would have never admitted anything or talked about anything. I'm starting to get tidbits now. It's really sad to think he might have spent the passed 4 months fretting over a dream... .losing what little time with his dad he does have left. But... .those are his choices.

After all of the hooplah last night, he woke this morning like it was all totally fine. I told him we are going to his mother's tomorrow. He agreed to go. Whether he goes or not... .I'm going. I'm not going for him... .I'm going for his son. If it wasn't for his son, I would not go.

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« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2015, 01:08:54 PM »

Update:

I just spoke to his mother on the phone. I told her we are coming to see her on Monday. If H decides to come he can... .if not... .we are all still going.
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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2015, 09:28:23 AM »

I hope you have a good visit... .whether your H attends or not!
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« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2015, 04:23:25 PM »

 

Interested to see how it went!  Hoping it went well...
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« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2015, 12:59:23 PM »

The visit went great! He went... .they all talked like nothing at all is going on. He didn't mention their moving... .and they didn't bring it up. I was glad there was no drama for his son to deal with.

This whole weekend went well. He was pretty amped up before we left to go pick them up. He kept pacing and saying "It's going to be ok, right? We are going to have fun? There won't be any drama?" I just reassured him the best I could. I thought with the built up he gave himself he might end up throwing a cow somewhere over the weekend but he didn't. Everything went as well as I could have hoped. Smiling (click to insert in post)

He did put his foot in his mouth, though. He told his mom and dad he will visit again on Thursday. So, now he made a commitment he probably will break, then the cycle will continue. /sigh
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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2015, 01:20:51 PM »

 

Did he visit on Thursday?

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« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2015, 12:20:11 PM »

Did he visit on Thursday?

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Nope. What I did do though this weekend is tell him I was going to drop some boxes off to his mom. I didn't ask him to go, just told him my intentions. He tagged along and visited her for about an hour. He then told her he would see his dad the next day (he didn't) and when he bailed on that said he would today (he also isn't).

I spoke to his mother this morning, and she understands what's going on now... .that he sets himself up for failure. He WANTS to do these things, but then he puts pressure on himself to follow through with what he says... .only to start the cycle of shame/guilt from not doing what he said.  I told her to always take what he says as a maybe so she won't be disappointed.

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« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2015, 07:03:54 AM »

 

Is he consistent with the excuses? Or do the reasons he gives seem to keep changing?
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« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2015, 09:15:18 AM »

Is he consistent with the excuses? Or do the reasons he gives seem to keep changing?

The excuses change slightly, but will eventually circle the wagon back to his original excuses. It kind of goes something like "I'm not going over there today. I didn't sleep well last night. I shouldn't feel bad anyways... .she's running off to *new state* to be with her church friends! I'll over there tomorrow. I need to go over there tomorrow. Next time I see dad... .it's going to be the last time. I feel that's my truth!"

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« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2015, 09:36:21 AM »

Hi ColdEthyl,

I am sorry that you are struggling with this. In a passive-aggressive way he seems to be trying to avoid interacting with his parents. Passive-aggressive behavior can be very difficult to deal with and change. However, I thought that you had said that you felt that his parents contributed to his PD. If so, isn't  it understandable that he would have ambivalent feelings about interacting with them? Many people go NC with their parents who are living with PDs.

How do his parents treat him these days?

Is your issue with him being ambivalent about having a relationship with his parents or with his passive-aggressive behaviors when he makes a plan to visit with them?
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« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2015, 09:42:50 AM »

Hi ColdEthyl,

I am sorry that you are struggling with this. In a passive-aggressive way he seems to be trying to avoid interacting with his parents. Passive-aggressive behavior can be very difficult to deal with and change. However, I thought that you had said that you felt that his parents contributed to his PD. If so, isn't  it understandable that he would have ambivalent feelings about interacting with them? Many people go NC with their parents who are living with PDs.

How do his parents treat him these days?

Is your issue with him being ambivalent about having a relationship with his parents or with his passive-aggressive behaviors when he makes a plan to visit with them?

Oh no I get what it's all about. When he does talk about things that bother him... he mentions his mixed feelings about his parents. He's not happy about them moving, he's not happy with WHY either. For him, the church took his mother when he was a kid. I worry he will regret these behaviors when his father does pass on, and his mother. Also, I just wish he wouldn't set himself up by promising them things. But these are things he controls, not me. I really just wanted to find some way to help him do what he said he will... .but I logically realize there's only so much I can do.

Since the lines of communication with his mother has been opened in regards to his BPD, I feel a lot better about the situation. They now understand better what's going on.
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