Summons was served...

[Think About It....]

BF's X got served with her summons for denial of visitation just before 9pm last night.  ;p olice:

She called his cell, screaming that "Your taking US to court"  :shock: response:  "No, I'm taking you to court" her: "I can't believe your taking me and the kids to court"  :shock: again: "No, I'm taking YOU to court"  ;== ;== The conversation went back and forth and all this on a Nextel two-way, then when it got even more heated...and every time he tried to respond to the X, the 12 yr.old daughter would be on the line, saying all sorts of things. Of course, had to change the tone of voice, try to answer her ?'s or comments to him and defend himself.  Finally ended the conversation and shut off the phone.  Then 12 yr. old left message on the house phone at 9:18pm last night:

Hi (his name, not dad!) this is (12 y/o daughter), just to let you know if you keep this up and your gonna bring mum to court, then I'm gonna start writing letters to the judge that your saying mum's telling us not to go with you and we have things to do and it's really important, so Bye" (OK, so the REALLY important thing they had to do last Thursday was going to the laundrymat!)

Three minutes later...Dad it's (same daughter)...couldn't make out the beginning of the recording but... "were having sooo much fun" "You better cut this out" thank you bubye!

Now this is the same daughter who called on Sunday and was talking to him, and saying she missed him.

Nice huh!  I can't believe what some women do to there children!  Sorry had to vent this.

[DebiD]

BF's X got served with her summons for denial of visitation just before 9pm last night.  ;p olice:

She called his cell, screaming that "Your taking US to court"  :shock: response:  "No, I'm taking you to court" her: "I can't believe your taking me and the kids to court"  :shock: again: "No, I'm taking YOU to court"  ;== ;== The conversation went back and forth and all this on a Nextel two-way, then when it got even more heated...and every time he tried to respond to the X, the 12 yr.old daughter would be on the line, saying all sorts of things. Of course, had to change the tone of voice, try to answer her ?'s or comments to him and defend himself.  Finally ended the conversation and shut off the phone.  Then 12 yr. old left message on the house phone at 9:18pm last night:

Hi (his name, not dad!) this is (12 y/o daughter), just to let you know if you keep this up and your gonna bring mum to court, then I'm gonna start writing letters to the judge that your saying mum's telling us not to go with you and we have things to do and it's really important, so Bye" (OK, so the REALLY important thing they had to do last Thursday was going to the laundrymat!)

Three minutes later...Dad it's (same daughter)...couldn't make out the beginning of the recording but... "were having sooo much fun" "You better cut this out" thank you bubye!

Now this is the same daughter who called on Sunday and was talking to him, and saying she missed him.

Nice huh!  I can't believe what some women do to there children!  Sorry had to vent this.

[Morphine]

Oh, too bad you didn't get that recorded on tape.  If a court found out that the children were being allowed to get in the middle of these arguements and say things themselves, the court would have her strung up and hung.

[Oy-vey!]

We could only be so lucky to have that kind of message left by the kids...  it would be enough for the judge to remove all custody from the BPDxW/momster.

Move those messages to tape and save them for your attorney to listen to.  They are legal evidence since they were left on a voice mail/messaging system.  The judge needs to hear the threats and needs to know that the momster is putting the kids into the mess.  What a sick sick woman.

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[DebiD]

Thanks for the response...In Massachusetts I don't believe any of this can be brought into the court, but he's stepping up to the plate now and as long as he keeps on her like this, I'm hoping she loses it...like I'm sure she'll do that day in court, unless she boohoo's the court into continuing because SHE DOESN'T HAVE ANYONE TO WHAT THE KIDS!  Of course, we all know at 8:30am the kids are in school!

[Oy-vey!]

Actually, messages left on a machine are, by fact of being left knowing they were being recorded, allowable as evidence in nearly all jurisdictions (I am unaware of any jurisdiction that does not allow voice mail / taped phone messages).  Even if you just have your attorney listen to them, that will usually be enough to get someting moving against her.

Good luck.

[DebiD]

Cool, he's got a couple of good voicemails from his 18 y/o stepson too...DB painted him black in early July but saw him Friday night and did the same thing she did to BF last year...stalked him, followed him into a Papa Ginos and went ballastic, he had to call the cops to have her removed off his street at 11:30pm that night...relentless...of course last night she called his SS and tried to play the poor victim and he ya'd her to death, left a voicemail for BF all about the conversation.  Unbelievable!

[JoannaK]

Yep...voice messages can be kept, but anything else should be documented with time, place, and as much of the conversation that can be recalled immediately.  (He can keep a small notebook with him when he is away from home, and write down the conversation as closely as he can remember it as soon as he gets off the phone.)  He should also keep those calls short.  I don't know about the Nextel two-way, but you can turn off the two-way feature on many of these phones so the person has to call directly.

You would be lucky if his daughter wrote those letters to the judge.  It would almost certainly be used against the mom.

[DebiD]

Got the paperwork from the constable yesterday with a notation:   "X made it sound like it was going to be almost impossible that she could go to the hearing because she needed to get the kids to school. I advised her that she has more than a couple of weeks to make arrangements, and if she didn't show up to court there would be a warrant issued. The kids stated to me that they had "things to do" they didn't seem to want the visitation."
He pulled up to get his kids last night, paged the X and said he was here, she got back on the phone and said "none of the kids want to go with you" he said "let me talk to my kids" in the background the 15 yr old yelled "were busy".
Counselor is going to talk to her at 4pm today...if she can't get her to comply with visitation and father attending 8 yr.olds counseling sessions, she said it will have to go before the judge, she had also mentioned in an earlier conversation that there was some alienation going on and she didn't know why the kids are on a sitdown strike about visitation.
This is the most heartbreaking thing I've ever witnessed in my life.

[JoannaK]

It is a truly good thing that the counselor mentioned the word "alienation".  In our custody evaluation, the evaluator mentioned that I was a good mother and there was no reason for some of my son's negativity to me.  She ascribed it to "alienation" by dad against me, the mom. 

So it is good that the counselor sees this for what it is. 

Unless he wants to lose his kids, this is going to wind up back in court.  Maybe a custody evaluation?  Or an order with clear consequences for her if she doesn't deliver the kids?

It is up to her to make those kids want to see him... unless she thinks he is abusing the kids, which I'm sure she does.  His kids need him, no matter what they say.  That's the hardest thing for men in this situation to accept.

[DebiD]

I don't know where she would think abuse happens, for christ sakes the B*TCH follows him when he does have the kids for the tues/thurs and on Saturday as well...WHAT ABOUT HER is what it's all about!  4pm today that counselor is going there so by 5pm the phone calls will start, good thing were not going home after work, because if she comes over my house I'm calling the cops.  of course, he doesn't want me to because she'll have all the kids with her to spew venoum (SP?) our way, she HATES the fact that I know everything, I'm a third party and no third party is getting involved with HER kids! I realize how vicous she is to BF and I know that she can't turn that off immedately (maybe she can) but when the calls start getting out of control and we shut off phones, I bet she gets under control and goes to the kids, here why don't you call your father, and they can't get thru because she's just ripped him a new one and he's had enough! I'm at the end of my ropes too...but that counselor I'm praying see's how it really is!  Thanks for the repsonses everyone.