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Author Topic: Differences between Borderline PD and Schizophrenia (or STPD)  (Read 298 times)
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« on: November 07, 2014, 02:40:21 PM »

I'm starting a topic on this, as I haven't found any here. If one already exists, my apologies.


So I thought that he was BPD... but it turned out that he's likely to be Schizophrenic instead  rolleyes
I gathered from the Therapist that these are the symptoms that lead him to a SZ diagnosis:
- obsession/delirium of persecution and paranoia (might be voices too)
- no social life, not even one friend
- episodes of psychotic behaviour (answers that don't make any sense, for example answered about his mother when clearly the conversation was about US).
- total absence of feelings and empathy (robot attitude) for weeks on.

Things in common between BPD and SZ or STPD:
- mood swings
- ambivalent feelings
- episodes of depression with suicidal ideas
- a cahotic professional and love life


Some people say "ok, so what? It doesn't make a big difference."
IT DOES! The priority is to a TREATMENT to stop his obessions and paranoia, not to therapy for instance.
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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2014, 12:15:32 AM »

I wish one of the senior members would address this. This is of interest to me too. I just got left by my diagnosed husband, but he never really revealed his diagnosis, other than Intermittent Explosive Disorder, although he was told he has traits of a personality disorder too. I think he hated that I may have been "right"(which means little to me). I am not one to gloat, I was just glad, and thankful he'd sought help. Actually he only went to the psychiatrist though because his T suggested it, finally.

It seems like a lot of these personalities are comorbid. What are the glaring differences between schizophrenia, and BPD?
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« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2014, 06:11:02 AM »

It seems like a lot of these personalities are comorbid. What are the glaring differences between schizophrenia, and BPD?
I'd say: delirium, being delusionnal.
And paranoia (in case of paranoid SZ)

But I'm not a specialist wink
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2014, 03:30:29 PM »

http://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/handle/2027.42/28693/0000513.pdf?sequence=1

Don't understand enough about SPD although the lack of or absence of friends is a big part of it. 

Control of environment to basically prevent people from getting in the head space or something?  I read an article on it a fair while ago and a big step with SPD therapy is from what i read, stepping out of the safety net, having friends.  BPD its all about the feed off other around them for the attention. 
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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2014, 11:25:17 PM »

Hmmmm I think the two cross each other on occasion. Mine was very much BPD, but he also had severe bouts of paranoia, thinking someone was watching him or trying to get him. Then again, most BPD people think everyone is out to get them. Mine would try to get the best of everyone else first, before they could pull one over on him (or so he thought).

He could also get out of touch with reality, imagining and believing that all sorts of things were happening that were not really happening. I guess that could fall into the hallucinations category?

Whatever it was, it was a bizarre thing to be witness to!
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« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2014, 01:58:16 PM »

My exW has had multiple diagnoses which was really unhelpful, from personality disorders, to bipolar to schitzo effective disorder. All I know is that when she is not psychotic, she's controlling, push/pull, bad with money, inappropriate and hurtful so whatever it is, it's bad news. I think people can have multiple issues.
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« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2014, 03:39:21 PM »

My exW has had multiple diagnoses which was really unhelpful, from personality disorders, to bipolar to schitzo effective disorder. All I know is that when she is not psychotic, she's controlling, push/pull, bad with money, inappropriate and hurtful so whatever it is, it's bad news. I think people can have multiple issues.
Yes, all these are very similar. The last psychologist I saw suggested my now ex is Bipolar, and I have to say that it's the most accurate description so far. Bipolar and Schizophrenia are close, and a lot of bipolar people exhibit sz traits (paranoia for example).
Of course, when they refuse any diagnosis or treatment, the label won't make a real difference. But if they do seek treatment, then it does make a huge difference...
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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2014, 08:44:08 AM »

of interest on differentiating bpd and schizoid issues

A theory of personality traits leads to
a genetic model for borderline types
and schizophrenia

Anthony M. Benis, Sc.D., M.D.

i hesitate to give the url
as i am new to these boards
and some boards block url's

i still get confused tho
trying to figure out
all of how npa deals with the differentiation issue

but it has 9 types
the first six do not have borderline or schizophrenia as mental health issues i think

those come into play in the last  3 types

i am pasting some of what it gives on the last 3 types

) Dominance:  Dominant character types

         N type
         A type
         NA type
         NP type
         PA type
         NPA type

    2) Submission:  Submissive types, including Borderline and Schizophrenic types

         Non-compliant types

              A- type
              PA- type
              NA- type
              NPA- type

         Compliant types

              A= type
              PA= type
              NA= type
              NPA= type

    3) Resignation:  Resigned types, including Schizophrenic types

         -A type
         P-A type
         N-A type
         NP-A type

if you google in quotes
"theory of personality traits leads to a genetic model"
i think you should come up with the site and its further explanations
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