Title: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: Artisan on June 07, 2014, 11:14:46 PM When I think about the scary experiences with my exBPD ; and when I talk about them , or think ... . or write them (like now) My breath clenches, body shakes, stomach tightens, shoulders raise, face frowns ... . This is 6 months after moving out. When I've looked up the symptoms, its similar to PTSD. I'm really starting to think that people who live with BPD end up suffering PTSD after a while because there is no chance to relax, its constant anxiety, stress, fighting and whacked out perspectives. Am I the only one who feels this way ? Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: node4 on June 08, 2014, 12:00:16 PM Yes it does. The thought of her, and the experience can cause all sorts of emotions or symptoms. The effect that they have on your emotional core as a person cannot be overstated.
Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: woodsposse on June 08, 2014, 12:37:59 PM Yes it does. The thought of her, and the experience can cause all sorts of emotions or symptoms. The effect that they have on your emotional core as a person cannot be overstated. This is 100% correct. When I was with my (now) exwife, especially towards the last throws of our r/s (which lasted a few years), I was almost always in a constant state of alertness. I hadn't realized it but my stress level was always at an all time high - and even after we split, just getting her on the phone or getting a text from her was enough to send me through the roof with nervous body everythings! Even still today sometimes if I think about what we went through, I get physically ill and my stomach gets all tied up in knots. So yes, there are symptoms which are like PTSD. But depending on the severity of the relationship and management tools you can use to help detach emotionally and take care of yourself, the symptoms recede and you will and can eventually get back to a normal baseline. Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: Artisan on June 08, 2014, 02:35:18 PM Thank you. :)
I was trying to comprehend my stressful physical responses even though I am in a safe environment. Are there any special ways to work through PTSD in regards to BPD ? I've been reading the 'moving on' section of the message board, and haven't seen anything specific for how to deal with the physiological responses. Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: woodsposse on June 08, 2014, 02:53:46 PM Great question. I don't know if anyone else has any suggestions, but what I would suggest is that you just have to let yourself feel it - and call it what it is. If you try and "fight it", it makes it worse - so if it happens, identify what it is, allow yourself to feel it and wash its way over and out. It gets easier the next time and so on. And sooner or later, if it happens will be far and few between. And, trust me, one day - you won't feel it at all. But that takes it's time so I wouldn't try and rush it. Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: Artisan on June 08, 2014, 05:57:56 PM I feel overwhelmed by the emotions that swirl through me ; usually I'm angry and it would be an understatement to say that its challenging to sit and feel that and be at peace with it.
Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: woodsposse on June 08, 2014, 06:34:22 PM I feel overwhelmed by the emotions that swirl through me ; usually I'm angry and it would be an understatement to say that its challenging to sit and feel that and be at peace with it. Oh I didn't mean to imply that sitting feeling with those emotions would be at peace with it. I'm just suggesting that you feel what you feel. Mostly because it's normal and okay that those feelings come up from time to time. It's kind of like trying to force yourself to go to sleep when you are wide awake at 2am. I have found the best way to fall asleep is to not worry about trying to fall asleep. Lay there and feel what is going on - and usually I'm out like a light soon after that. Something like that... . but only different.nn |iiii Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: Artisan on June 08, 2014, 10:22:36 PM It's the hardest thing I've ever done in my life.
The other aspect is the ache of her absence, and the longing I feel for the amazing life I keep imagining we could have, and that somehow doesn't happen b/c of the emotional anarchy. That is the worst. Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: HappyChappy on June 09, 2014, 06:43:10 AM Artisan, there's loads of stuff on PTSD. Get hooked in. I also have PTSD and have improved greatly over time, by applying the technqiues that are available. Best of Luck.
Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: AlonelyOne on June 10, 2014, 02:47:03 PM I know that just in the past week or so, a huge huge burden of emotional stress has been lifted from my shoulders. I'm still stressed by the divorce, sad, break down and cry periodically. But that stress from constantly walking on egg shells in hopes of avoiding landmines is gone.
She's told me she's leaving. There is no saving the relationship. I no longer have to worry or care whether something upsets her or not. I am water... . she can hurl what she wants through me. I am not returning it, not defending myself, I am simply... . not engaging. And the result is a huge weight lifted off my shoulders. I mean it is almost physical. My shoulders feel lighter. Probably from muscles finally relaxing. Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: Artisan on June 11, 2014, 10:49:53 AM That is wonderful, I am very happy for you, though it is also a sad scenario.
Something that I've been able to use for PTSD and healing is being a musician, listening to music, yoga, and yoga nidra ... . helps with the deep emotional aspect. Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: seeking balance on June 11, 2014, 10:52:09 AM Artisan,
I, too, had ptsd symptoms and my T was trained in EMDR therapy that is specific treatment for PTSD ... . several people on these boards have gone this route. Are you working with a T? Best, SB Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: Artisan on June 11, 2014, 11:44:11 AM Balance,
I'm flat broke and can't afford one right. And though there are free therapists for women who have been abused, there is no such service for men in this area. This board has become the only therapy I have right now. Just being able to express myself, and to see the similarities in my emotional states and the confusion I feel is massive for me, it helps me understand. The rest of my 'therapeutic' practices involved going into nature every day (climbing waterfalls is healing :)), play music every day, work on fulfilling projects every day, serve my family, practice yoga & meditation, I journal the feelings and experiences. The healing is happening, I am just impatient with myself because I recognize that I am still healing and wish to be whole - faster. Though, if it were a broken arm ... . it only heals as fast as it is able ; a broken heart is difficult to SEE and quantify. ~ Artisan Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: Blimblam on June 12, 2014, 05:50:29 AM your not alone artisan I too am experiencing PTSD like symptoms from the abuse of my uBPD exgf. It is a terrible feeling I completely understand. I hope it goes away soon. I have a thread in the leaving section with some good insights from forum members its worth checkin out. Basically people have been saying it does go away over time.
I am in a similar boat as you. Having hope is the best I can do for now. Don't lose hope man! Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: Artisan on June 12, 2014, 07:02:58 PM Keep the faith Blim! Do you want to know something ironic ? I'm a yoga instructor and teaching meditation and relaxation techniques ... . I even teach people how to work with PTSD ... . Physician ... . heal thyself ! Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: DreamGirl on June 12, 2014, 07:12:03 PM What are the specific symptoms you're experiencing?
Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: Blimblam on June 12, 2014, 11:29:15 PM this may sound crude but I found masturbation and porn as probably the most effective thing to get my mind off of it.
Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: Artisan on June 13, 2014, 04:42:45 AM Blim > don't like porn ... . and I have zero sexual feelings. I'm actually wondering if I am capable of feeling sexual again.
I'm terrified of being sexual and intimate with a woman at this point, wondering when she'd turn into Ms. Hyde. Seriously ... . I have ED ... . at 38 ! Dream > Shortness of breath, rapid heart beat ... . at first, I used to have problems sleeping and would drink myself to sleep. Now, I am not drinking and sleep better. My blood pressure raises, I can hear ringing in my ears. My body starts shaking. Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: peacebaby on June 17, 2014, 10:42:54 AM After living in an abusive domestic situation for almost a decade, I totally have PTSD symptoms. The worst one is reacting to people in authority as if they're her, or going to be like her.
Here's my tip on free therapy. Most of us have been verbally, emotionally, or physically abused by our partners. This means we quality for free counseling at anti-intimate partner violence centers. I'm seeing someone like that now, and it's wonderful. Full of validation of the constant trauma of living the way I did, and reinforcement that I'm in control of my future. I totally suggest finding out about these services in one's area, whoever one might be. :) Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: Blimblam on June 17, 2014, 04:50:50 PM After living in an abusive domestic situation for almost a decade, I totally have PTSD symptoms. The worst one is reacting to people in authority as if they're her, or going to be like her. Here's my tip on free therapy. Most of us have been verbally, emotionally, or physically abused by our partners. This means we quality for free counseling at anti-intimate partner violence centers. I'm seeing someone like that now, and it's wonderful. Full of validation of the constant trauma of living the way I did, and reinforcement that I'm in control of my future. I totally suggest finding out about these services in one's area, whoever one might be. :) could you please be more specific I did a google search and found nothing. Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: peacebaby on June 17, 2014, 07:37:24 PM I guess it depends on where you live, but most places have domestic violence hotlines/resources/enters, don't they? Is my world view tainted again from living in the big city? Searching on stuff like that doesn't give you any results?
Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: MammaMia on June 19, 2014, 11:23:16 PM Artisan
To heal from a traumatic relationship takes time. Accept that your PTSD is caused by another person's mental illness, and you cannot change that fact. Protect yourself. Avoid ALL contact. Block your ex on computers and phones, and NEVER seek information about them from anyone. You need to emotionally disconnect in every way possible. This requires real willpower, and it may even include shared friends. Do whatever is necessary to find a place where you feel safe and nurtured. Surround yourself with supportive people. Your physical and emotional safety must be secure BEFORE you can begin to heal. To live in fear is no longer acceptable. Take away the fear, and you take away the power. Be strong. You can do this. Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: pilgrim on June 22, 2014, 07:36:21 PM I'm another one with PTSD after a long marriage to upbdxw ended. Five years later I'm about to start treatment this week. Time by itself wasn't enough to heal in my case. Therapy was good, but I need it specifically PTSD-oriented.
Just wishing you the best. p Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: MammaMia on June 23, 2014, 12:17:44 AM Pilgrim
Congratulations on your decision to start PTSD therapy. You will not be sorry. There are better days ahead. Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: Artisan on June 23, 2014, 11:13:30 AM When I consider how this has impacted my life, its really distressing. I wish there were better resources for men to heal ; we are really neglected when it comes to being abused. Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: pilgrim on June 23, 2014, 06:17:08 PM Artisan,
Maybe check out the book "no more mr. nice guy" and the author's website drglover.com. I'm taking his online class "dating essentials for men" and the whole approach seems designed for the type of guys that are with borderline women. p Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: empathic on June 24, 2014, 04:10:59 AM I believe I have had a form of PTSD from the time when the kids were small, when it was extremely hard to deal with my uBPDw. I remember getting "double beats" from my heart quite often, and strong feelings of anxiety. It has gotten better after starting to take better care of myself, such as running a couple of times per week.
I still tense up when I hear a noise when trying to sleep and think it is her wanting to have another "late night talk". But it's like she's given up on those, maybe (hopefully) after me setting boundaries on not staying up all night having fruitless "discussions" anymore. Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: MammaMia on June 24, 2014, 10:56:38 AM empathic
Do you also have gaps in your memory from stress? This has happened to me. Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: Artisan on June 24, 2014, 03:24:12 PM Thank you for the book advice ; the Mr Nice Guy syndrome is deadly, and as you've guessed, I do have some of those tendencies.
Although, now ... . I'm not so nice, I draw boundaries, I am assertive. It was part of what caused the problems with my ex. I wasn't willing to lose my female friends because I was engaged ; however the constant screaming and false accusations wore me down and I just couldn't handle ... . yet another sleepless night because I simply had a different perspective and acted on it, while also communicating my truth and being open. Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: talithacumi on June 24, 2014, 06:23:06 PM The long-term subtle devaluing, and constant drama certainly contributed - but, for me, it was the sudden (as in literally overnight), unexpected, completely out of character, and seemingly permanent splitting that occurred when I caught him cheating that last time and he decided to move out/end our relationship altogether rather than even try to face/talk to me about what was going on in person.
He was extremely angry, blamed me for "making" him have an affair and "ruining" his life. Emptied all of our bank accounts and told me he HOPED both I and our youngest son (17 at the time) would end up on the streets with no where to live because that's the least we "deserved" for having abused/treated him as badly as we did for so long. Told our business clients I'd run off to another state to be with whom I'd been having an affair for the last year, and STOLE the money they'd given me as deposits on work to be completed later that summer. Told one client I'd physically abused her children. Told family/friends he'd been both physically/emotionally battered by me for years and been too ashamed/afraid to tell anyone about it. And, god knows what he told my replacement, but I and two of our children - as well as an acquaintance on the periphery of our social circle - became the focus of a two year campaign of her near-constant harassment, vandalism, stalking, threats, false police reports, physical confrontations, and assaults that my ex routinely ignored, denied, dismissed, excused, rationalized, and justified - if not enabled, actively encouraged, was happy about/proud of, and/or directly participated in himself. I ended up being unable to go out, or sleep out of fear of what might happen to me or my youngest son if I weren't watching. When I did go out, I suffered massive anxiety attacks about leaving my vehicle unattended - especially when I was with my son - out of fear of coming back to find the battery/rotor cap gone, the brake/fuel lines cut, the tires knifed, the windows broken, or the body keyed/painted/smeared with excrement AGAIN ... . THEN I would suffer another anxiety attack about going home because I was afraid of what I might find there as well. I lived this way for over 18 months before I finally got my son into a place of his own where I felt he could be/stay safe, gave notice on the apartment we'd shared with my ex up until the time he (literally and figuratively) split, and relocated to another state before I felt safe enough myself to commit full-time to professional therapy and eventually go NC altogether. With THAT on my plate, I figure it'll take me a couple more years yet before I'm even READY to start to deal with whatever PTSD I might be suffering as a result of LIVING WITH my ex. Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: empathic on June 27, 2014, 04:16:42 AM empathic Do you also have gaps in your memory from stress? This has happened to me. Hmm... . well I don't have as clear memories from that time, as I have from, say, my childhood. But it's hard to say if it's due to the stress of having small kids or the stress of dealing with BPD. I know that before that time, I could remember and cherish certain good things that happened and later look back on them to gain energy and peace of mind. I'm trying to get back to that place again. Or do you mean that you've blocked out certain things due to stress in a given moment? Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: MammaMia on June 27, 2014, 11:31:37 AM Empathic
I believe memory gaps are probably a combination of brain overload due to small children, jobs, too much responsibility AND the trauma of living with a pwBPD. Whether consciously or not, I tend to remember the good times most. Perhaps because they were few and far between. I seem to lump the bad times into a large file in my brain that is vague but remember the good times individually and more vividly. Does that make sense to you? Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: empathic on June 30, 2014, 02:28:39 AM Empathic I believe memory gaps are probably a combination of brain overload due to small children, jobs, too much responsibility AND the trauma of living with a pwBPD. Definitely agreed. Whether consciously or not, I tend to remember the good times most. Perhaps because they were few and far between. I seem to lump the bad times into a large file in my brain that is vague but remember the good times individually and more vividly. Does that make sense to you? I think I know what you mean. I work the opposite though - I remember more clearly when people have wronged me, than I remember good times. And it's always been that way for me, so it's not new with what I'm dealing with now. I had a hard time in school with bullying as I could not really shrug off bad things people told me. It might be that I learnt a behaviour back then that has put me in this position. I could have used better tools much sooner. Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: livednlearned on June 30, 2014, 05:54:45 PM There's a really good workshop on PTSD here: https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=124200.0
I was surprised to learn that there are four types of symptoms. It seems like people usually mean "hyperarousal" and "reliving the event" when they refer to PTSD, but "feeling numb" and "avoiding" are also symptoms. The four types of symptoms are: 1. Reliving the event (also called re-experiencing symptoms): Bad memories of the traumatic event can come back at any time. You may feel the same fear and horror you did when the event took place. You may have nightmares. You even may feel like you're going through the event again. This is called a flashback. Sometimes there is a trigger -- a sound or sight that causes you to relive the event. Triggers might include: * Hearing a car backfire, which can bring back memories of gunfire and war for a combat Veteran. * Seeing a car accident, which can remind a crash survivor of his or her own accident. * Seeing a news report of a sexual assault, which may bring back memories of assault for a woman who was raped. 2. Avoiding situations that remind you of the event: You may try to avoid situations or people that trigger memories of the traumatic event. You may even avoid talking or thinking about the event. For example: * A person who was in an earthquake may avoid watching television shows or movies in which there are earthquakes. * A person who was robbed at gunpoint while ordering at a hamburger drive-in may avoid fast-food restaurants. * Some people may keep very busy or avoid seeking help. This keeps them from having to think or talk about the event. 3. Feeling numb: You may find it hard to express your feelings. This is another way to avoid memories. * You may not have positive or loving feelings toward other people and may stay away from relationships. * You may not be interested in activities you used to enjoy. * You may not be able to remember parts of the traumatic event or not be able to talk about them. 4. Feeling keyed up (also called hyperarousal): You may be jittery, or always alert and on the lookout for danger. This is known as hyperarousal. It can cause you to: * Suddenly become angry or irritable * Have a hard time sleeping. * Have trouble concentrating. * Fear for your safety and always feel on guard. * Be very startled when something surprises you. Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: MammaMia on June 30, 2014, 06:54:20 PM Livedandlearned
Bingo! Will have to check that site out. Thanx. Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: hergestridge on July 06, 2014, 06:45:08 AM I haven't had a doctor put a PTSD diagnosis on me, but I think it all started a couple of years ago after an especially nasty splitting episode after which my wife cheated on me and then fell into a depression which left me to take care of our two year old more or less on my own. I had so many ambitions at work and with my art and all of a sudden I just thought "F*ck it, I don't care... .". I just took care of our daughter, cooked, cleaned the home, went to work... .did what everyone expected of me. Started to loathe questions about the future or about vacation planning because I didn't want to (or couldn't for that matter) see more than a week ahead. Also started to dislike things that reminded me of the "old life" before the hard times because it just made me think of the trauma. It was like year zero.
Here's how I meet up to the PTSD criteria: The traumatic event is persistently reexperienced in one (or more) of the following ways: (3) Recurrent and intrusive distressing recollections of the event, including images, thoughts, or perceptions. (check!) (4) Recurrent distressing dreams of the event. Note: In children, there may be frightening dreams without recognizable content. (5) Acting or feeling as if the traumatic event were recurring (includes a sense of reliving the experience; illusions, hallucinations, and dissociative flashback episodes, including those that occur on awakening or when intoxicated). Note: In young children, trauma-specific reenactment may occur. (check!) (6) Intense psychological distress at exposure to internal or external cues that symbolize or resemble an aspect of the traumatic event. (check!) (7) Physiological reactivity on exposure to internal or external cues that symbolize or resemble an aspect of the traumatic event. Persistent avoidance of stimuli associated with the trauma and numbing of general responsiveness (not present before the trauma), as indicated by three (or more) of the following: (8) Efforts to avoid thoughts, feelings, or conversations associated with the trauma (check!) (9) Efforts to avoid activities, places, or people that arouse recollections of the trauma (10) Inability to recall an important aspect of the trauma (11) Markedly diminished interest or participation in significant activities (check!) (12) Feeling of detachment or estrangement from others (check!) (13) Restricted range of affect (e.g., unable to have loving feelings) (14) Sense of a foreshortened future (e.g., does not expect to have a career, marriage, children, or a normal lifespan) (check) Persistent symptoms of increased arousal (not present before the trauma), as indicated by two (or more) of the following: (1) Difficulty falling or staying asleep (2) Irritability or outbursts of anger (check!) (3) Difficulty concentrating (check!) (4) Hypervigilance (5) Exaggerated startle response Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: Blimblam on July 06, 2014, 07:52:42 AM hergestridge,
like 2 weeks ago I could check off every single one on that list. A month ago I thought the only way out of it was to kill myself. A few days ago it transformed into a new but still uncomfortable feeling. IN that crappy feeling in your chest are the answers surrender to it. How do you identify with the projections of the disorder? how does she make you feel? What layer of feeling is under that feeling? How do you Identify with that projection? who made you feel like that in your family? Like if you just tried to love them more it would stop but it didn't. Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: MammaMia on July 06, 2014, 12:06:14 PM Hergestridge
This is no way to live. There is help available, but it will not come to you. You must seek it out. Remember, YOU have choices and YOUR needs and happiness and that of your child ARE also important. Nothing will change unless you address the issues. I take it you and your wife are still together. Marriage counseling may be a step in the right direction, if she will agree to go. To suffer in silence is just wrong. You deserve better. Please consider letting a professional help you. If your wife refuses, do it for yourself and your daughter. Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: hergestridge on July 07, 2014, 04:40:38 PM Thanks BlimBlam and Mamamia for your concern. My wife and I broke up a couple of weeks ago. Actually it was more like she left and from what I understand she could no longer tolerate the person I had become. We had been togther for 20 years. For the first ten years I was mr co-dependent. Then I started to treat her like an adult, that was the first blow for which she never forgave me. That's when the splitting and the little "revenge" things began, which lead to my breakdown two years ago, which I suppose left me useless as a partner. I could perform sexually but I could no longer slip into "cosy"/romantic mode between the dysregulations because I was too aware about what was coming. PTSD doesn't leave you all jumpy as people can expect. It can make you appear like a bored uncaring, cynic.
It's like being close an alcholic or someone who beats you. For a while you can forget between the "episodes", but I lost that ability. When you can longer fool yourself that the elephant is not in the room you can't join in the fun anymore. You become the killjoy, the constant bad conscious. Like Poe's black cat. The reason I stayed was partly because I was afraid what happen to our daughter BTW, but that's a whole different story. We tried couple's therapy but of course that was a mess because my wife turned it into a power trip (as she did with everything else). I would never have admitted to having the kind of problems I had, or at least I would never have used the medical terms or sought professional help. At the time my wife was hospitalized for some time and chances are that the authuroties could have looked up my suitability status as a caregiver for my daughter. It wouldn't have looked too good to have a psych journal. And thank you god I'm in a lucky position after all. I have a job and I enjoy the time I have with my daughter (it's half time currently). I feel like half the man I used to, but I keep telling myself I have been through something really tough. The tough thing is I have to meet up with my my wife (soon to be ex?) several times every week, and every time I have to pretend like nothing happened. She basically destroyed me. Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: LoveNotWar on July 07, 2014, 07:10:37 PM YUP, living with a pwBPD can definitely cause PTSD, the verbal stuff is bad enough but if there was physical abuse that causes a huge safety issue.
The US Department of Veterans Affairs has done a ton of research on PTSD. Check it out. The good news is, with time and good care, you can recover. By good care I mean taking good care of yourself and doing what's right and good for a you, mentally, physically and spiritually. For me that has meant eating right, exercising, being social and re-learning good sleep habits, lack of sleep is a killer! Also, as was mentioned, do not contact the ex, fight the urge to check Facebook, text or email or ask mutual friends and DEFINITELY no drive-bys to see if there's a new car in the driveway etc. Gotta let them go! Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: Vatz on July 19, 2014, 10:07:07 AM I don't know. For a while noises in the hallway scared the bejesus out of me. Like some horror movie where the monster isn't really gone, and is coming for you. But this was after I sent her to the hospital.
But that was a few days. Once I got rid of almost all her things, that feeling subsided. I found a few things of her, but they're trivial. Non of them would require her to set foot in my home to get them. As for your situation, 6 months is a long time to still remain in that sort of heightened state. Not good for the body, not good for the mind. See a therapist, maybe get a combination of medication and talk therapy. Research has shown these things help. Come to think of it, when I was with her and I was in the living room/my bedroom, hearing her come out of my bedroom had my pulse race. Even when we were still together. I didn't want to be seen being myself around her. I felt judged. Could have been delusions, but I felt that way. I'll have to get with another person and see if I still feel like that. She'd come out and talk to her friends on skype. I never heard their end of the conversation, but always heard hers. So much giggling and what not. I think what I felt was jealousy. But I was so subdued emotionally that consciously, all I could think of was "I'm trying to have some ALONE TIME and you're cutting into it." By the last 3 months of still being a couple, I wanted more and more "alone time." Every so often, I pictured a clock, counting down. If anyone has seen 24, I had *that* sound effect in my head. The countdown that I kept hearing was the countdown to the break-up. I just never knew the precise time. But it would pop up during the most mundane things. Once during sex I thought about it and heard it. We'd have sex, and after she was satisfied (or feigned it) I would just go back to what I was doing. I didn't feel like she wanted to hug or hold me close.(Foreplay *after* is just as fun.) We almost never just lay there naked together, holding each other. I don't think I ever realized how much that bothered me, how much I really wanted that. Sure she'd be in a better mood after sex, almost a different person. But... .it's like once it was done, it was done. So where did that leave me? Well, now I'm sort of afraid of women, and if not afraid, I just assume none are interested. I still keep trying because I have to. The salmon doesn't know why it swims upstream. I sort of got carried away with all that. Hope your situation improves. It's going to be a hard journey for you, but you have to keep at it. You matter. All the best. Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: Rubies on July 19, 2014, 01:38:52 PM My children and I have PTSD from BPDxh. Even 4 years out and NC, he still threw his minions of flying monkeys, circle back and pop out at the kids or somehow breach security.
We seem to be cycling between Complex Stress Disorder and Post Traumtic Stress Disorder. I know my security measures are effective when he contacts me and wants an amicable relationship. Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: Vatz on July 19, 2014, 01:47:43 PM My children and I have PTSD from BPDxh. Even 4 years out and NC, he still threw his minions of flying monkeys, circle back and pop out at the kids or somehow breach security. We seem to be cycling between Complex Stress Disorder and Post Traumtic Stress Disorder. I know my security measures are effective when he contacts me and wants an amicable relationship. Jesus, that's insane. One wonders if these people even get when they've overstayed their welcome. Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: hergestridge on July 19, 2014, 02:05:30 PM Sure they know when they have outstayed their welcome, it's a trigger!
When my wife broke up with me I am sure she genuinely wanted out of the relationship, but she was not comfortable with the fact that she had singlehandedly ruined it. When we were together she was at my throat all the time by now all of a sudden it was important for her to be friends. Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: Rubies on July 19, 2014, 02:41:41 PM My children and I have PTSD from BPDxh. Even 4 years out and NC, he still threw his minions of flying monkeys, circle back and pop out at the kids or somehow breach security. We seem to be cycling between Complex Stress Disorder and Post Traumtic Stress Disorder. I know my security measures are effective when he contacts me and wants an amicable relationship. Jesus, that's insane. One wonders if these people even get when they've overstayed their welcome. The truly bizarre is he remarried 14 days after the divorce was final, yet I was still stalked, harassed, bullied and slandered until recently. He got himself and a few others fired, more are under investigation for their flying monkey antics toward me and DD. It's still better than having him in our home. Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: Vatz on July 19, 2014, 03:29:55 PM Flying monkey antics? what like actually sent people after you? I mean... .that's pretty serious.
Hergestridge, mine wanted to "still be friends". I always found that uncomfortable. Its like she doesn't get the pain that comes from seeing the one you used to love. Knowing there's someone new. I told her flat out that I hate the idea. I think if any thought gives me the sort of anxiety that makes my skin crawl is her contacting me in months or years. With her concern and worry about how I'm doing. Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: MammaMia on July 19, 2014, 04:09:44 PM I believe the only possible answer to the question about PTSD is a definite "YES".
I do not know of anyone who has come out of a BPD relationship feeling positive and happy. There may be some relief that the relationship has ended, but the demons persist, even for those who are able to move on. This disorder devastates everyone who loves a pwBPD or comes into contact with them. It is life-altering on many levels. No one really understands unless they have been through it. Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: Rubies on July 20, 2014, 07:17:31 PM I believe the only possible answer to the question about PTSD is a definite "YES". I do not know of anyone who has come out of a BPD relationship feeling positive and happy. There may be some relief that the relationship has ended, but the demons persist, even for those who are able to move on. This disorder devastates everyone who loves a pwBPD or comes into contact with them. It is life-altering on many levels. No one really understands unless they have been through it. I came out of that 17 year psycho prison BPD marriage positive and happy. I survived, I was regaining my health, the judge knew exactly what he was dealing with and protected DD and me. For the first time, there were consequences to violating my boundaries, thus the need to get others to do it for him. Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: Xtrange on July 23, 2014, 06:24:16 PM Some would say that it's Complex PTSD (aka DESNOS)
Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: AlonelyOne on July 25, 2014, 08:07:19 PM mine wanted to "still be friends". Mine likes to chit-chat. Can't quite understand why I don't want to. There was a period I thought maybe we could divorce, remain friends... .perhaps event he occasional 'lover'. But all the crap I've been put through has made me feel that if there was a way I could not have to deal with her or any of her antics ever again. I'd choose so... . Yes, I'm falling out of love with her. The funny thing, were I to tell her that. Her interpretation would be, you fell out of love with me so quickly. See, you never really loved me. Rather than even begin to comprehend that her acts of antagonism, repeated false accusations, and smears, and all the tears - are what led to the breaking of my heart toward her. Title: Re: Does living with a BPD give you PTSD ? Post by: Ihope2 on August 04, 2014, 06:41:28 AM I realised that the absolutely bizarre and exhausting almost year that I spent living with my exBPDh, had left some traces of PTSD with me.
Right from the outset after our marriage, he started becoming suicidal, having suicidal ideation, and withdrawing from me, locking himself up in the spare room for days on end. He then was hospitalised in a psychiatric hospital for a week, and was diagnosed with bipolar mood disorder and complex ptsd. This was when he gained access to tranquilisers and sleeping tablets, which then became his new drug of choice (next to the suboxone that he was already on). He overdosed at least once on the tranquilisers, telling me after the fact. And he used to combine heavy use of suboxone with heavy use of the tranquiliser, which would slow his breathing down to dangerous levels, and a few times I would find him heavily sedated and I could not even see whether he was breathing. Another thing that triggered my alarm bells is that he would be in the habit of either not sleeping at all for nights on end, or he would lie and sleep in the most strange of places, under a table on the cold tiled floor, or outside the house, or on the floor next to the bed. He would sometimes not even take a blanket, so I would see him lying there in a most unusual place, and instinctively, it would trigger my alarm that he had fallen down and was lying in state of distress or was perhaps already dead. I cannot believe what I had to try to cope with! Also a few weeks into our young marriage, he would keep sharp knives, shards of a broken mirror, and metal skewers lying around, and send me bizarre whatsapp messages while I was at work about how that no matter how deeply he cuts, he still feels nothing... .Or that he wonders of a skewer through his main artery in his neck would end his life quickly. And then he would take my car at night or over weekends and be gone for hours, and I would not know where he was, or in what state he was in. He also claimed to be epileptic, so of course that made it so much more distressing for me. I do doubt now though whether it truly was epilepsy, or perhaps conversion disorder. Because he seemed to be able to "time" his fits for the best dramatic impact, and they would take place while he was conveniently lying in bed next to me, after which he would fling himself to the floor and the convulsions did not seem to the tonic-clonic kind of seizure, which I have witnessed once before in someone else. He surprisingly would never bite his tongue or choke or roll his eyes back or froth at the mouth, or even fully lose consciousness, as he would be uttering words and making moaning and choking sounds. So yes, I think I sit with some residual PTSD. I notice it when I start getting anxious about something that I did not normally obsess about before, like that when I arrive home from work one of my cats might be lying dead in the road, or that I will get news of an accident or death of my sister or mother. And this past weekend, one of my three cats needed a routine procedure at my vet to have an abscess drained, and I felt myself getting into a knot of anxiety about that he might not survive the operation. I never used to obsess about this type of thing so much. And when MH17 was shot down, I found myself obsessing about viewing footage of the wreckage and I was so caught up in the horror of it all. It was almost as though someone I knew was on that flight, it affected me so badly. I do think I am experiencing the after-effects of having been traumatised by my brief marriage to a person with severe BPD. However, I know that I will deal with it and heal and move on. |