Title: Passionate Marriage - David Schnarch PhD Post by: BPDFamily on October 09, 2016, 07:07:52 PM
Book Description This book is about David Schnarch's unconventional approach to sex and marital therapy. It discusses how a passionate sex life requires each person to face the anxiety of defining himself/herself while getting closer to their partner, a process known as differentiation. The book offers explicit discussion of sexual behavior, practical tips, and details of couples going through the people-growing crucibles inherent in emotionally committed relationships. The author tries to help the reader learn to love on life's terms, and to develop an invigorating adult sexuality. About the Author David Schnarch, Ph.D. is a licensed clinical psychologist and director of the Marriage and Family Health Center in Evergreen, Colorado. His textbook Constructing the Sexual Crucible is used as a primary text in some graduate training programs. He was the first recipient of the Professional Standards of Excellence Award from the American Association of Sex Educators, Counselors, and Therapists (AASECT) and chair of professional education for eight years. Schnarch currently serves on the editorial board of AAMFT's Journal of Marriage and Family Therapy. Title: Re: Passionate Marriage ~ David Schnarch PhD Post by: VitaminC on October 17, 2016, 06:16:14 PM I found this part of his book most useful in thinking about the physical aspects of a relationship - not just an r/s with a pwBPD, but in general. Schnarch has identified three, of what he calls, “sexual mindsets”.
“There are different depths and ways of focusing on your partner. Each reflects how you relate in general. The tone of your connections may vary from event to event, but the overall character tends to be stable; it is determined more by your personal development than by how you feel about your partner at any given moment.” He divides them into three categories: Sexual Trance, Partner Engagement, and Role Play. He says that “each has its own preferred physical technique, emotional tone, and style of engagement.”
Title: Re: Passionate Marriage ~ David Schnarch PhD Post by: Skip on October 17, 2016, 08:30:35 PM David Schnarch's work is interesting. He argues that what we think is intimacy is actually often wanting “someone else to make us feel acceptable and worthwhile. We’ve assigned the label ‘intimacy’ to what we want (validation and reciprocal disclosure)” Schnarch points out that “Intimacy should involve the inherent awareness that you’re separate from your partner. With parts yet to be shared... ." He also says that intimacy seems to develop through conflict, self-validation, and unilateral disclosure. Being intimate and vulnerable with someone doesn’t mean you’ll get the response you want.
He warns that sex can be a powerful substitute for true intimacy as it allows for some feeling of connection with others often without the problems of an intimate and vulnerable relationship. "Sex can be transformed into a “drive” with the need to relieve sexual tension rather than about wanting a partner. We can get to the point of not wanting to want and at the same time, wanting to be wanted. " Title: Re: Passionate Marriage ~ David Schnarch PhD Post by: VitaminC on October 17, 2016, 08:31:08 PM According to Schnarch, there are different depths and ways of focusing on your partner. Each reflects how you relate in general. He says: "The tone of your interactions may vary from event to event, but the overall character of your interactions tends to be stable; it is determined much more by your level of personal development than by how you feel about your partner at any given moment, because you feel about your partner will in large part be determined by your level of personal development."
We conducted a member survey on the various innate sexual styles: (https://bpdfamily.com/images/sexual-style.png) (https://bpdfamily.com/images/sexual-style.png) Click graph to enlarge https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=299932 By understanding the many faces of partner engagement we can more fully comprehend human sexuality and develop more respect for when it is beautiful and uplifting.
Title: Re: Passionate Marriage ~ David Schnarch PhD Post by: Sunfl0wer on October 20, 2016, 11:02:59 AM I am not thrilled with the concept of the categories presented reflecting Sexual Styles... .
I have seen elsewhere, pre defined labels regarding sexuality and personally feel that categorizing sexual styles may (in some instances) cause the opposite of what it is intended. When self reflecting on anything, sometimes it is best to think in our own words and thoughts first. If we feel there are five or ten options of how to exist with ourselves, and told to pick, we are likely to pick an offered box out of the five or ten, maybe even trying to squish into one and use it as a goal, rather than presenting our actual reality of a box that is completely self defined, based on our inner reality. On the other hand if we are asked to make connections with things, explore how our relationship dynamics relate to our sexual behaviors, then one may arrive at greater self understanding. Personally, I find myself mostly Sapiosexual and then Demisexual I most appreciate a sharing of sexual energy that is somewhat tantric but not necessarily so. I can dabble in a variety of ways of expressing myself sexually. Sometimes this feels "wrong" or sometimes a "kinky" thing actually feels "healing" to me. For me, what is most important is not the outward behavior or act. I feel that fulfillment and peace and health can be found in a variety of experiences/behaviors, but it matters more where our mind is at and if we are honestly and openly connected to ourself than it does the behavior that is taking place. I just don't generally relate to most of this this part. However, I admit, I am just reading this thread and I have not read the book. It is possible that the context of the book lends to making use of these labels somewhat relevant. ... . Title: Re: Passionate Marriage ~ David Schnarch PhD Post by: Sunfl0wer on October 20, 2016, 11:15:10 AM Now the part on Sexual Mindsets I find extremely relatable and helpful!
I'm quite grateful to read about this, thank you! :) [Speaking as a person who has a history of abuse, learning and understanding my sexuality has been a complicated journey. It has been pretty complicated due to my tendency to dissociate and in the past ~8 years I finally realized what was happening and mostly self taught my way into learning to remain present with my partner and manage triggers.] I have never been one much for Role Play generally. I get stage fright in some ways, and attempting such can cause anxiety. So Sexual Trance is what I had known most of my life and enjoyed. However, in the past ~10 yrs, I had found a partner that was very much more Partner Engagement like. He insisted on a lot of eye contact and I came to really enjoy bringing this type of connection into sex as well. My partner after him, (most recent ex) we did combo Sexual Trance and Partner Engagement and I can certainly say that I felt most real and present with Partner Engagement type interactions over Sexual Trance ones. Sometimes Partner Engagement type interactions felt scary as there felt like there was more risk involved. It felt like a mistake could more easily be made to turn other partner off or to loose the connection, but if we succeeded, then it was really wonderful. On the other hand, Sexual Trance like interactions much less risky. We could have any flow of private thoughts so long as we remained in our sex bond, all was ok, focusing on sensational aspects. Now, some overlapping seems to exist. Seems there are always some elements of both Sexual Trance and Partner Engagement, as we may be connecting and engaging in the way we try to please the other and using non verbal communication... .but I do recognize that when we felt insecure with each other or such, always felt safer to connect via Sexual Trance. I do feel the level of non verbal communication is important for satisfying trance sex, which sort of brings it a bit closer to Partner Engagement sex anyway. Anyway, I think it is quite helpful to have Sexual Trance vs Partner Engagement on a continuum of some sort. I do feel as my emotional growth has matured, with it came the ability to choose to incorporate more Partner Engagement type sex. I can definitely relate to this type of sex requiring me to be most honest and present with myself first, and then that connection of being present, available, and engaging, certainly causing a most satisfying connection, all while we also appreciate the sharing of the trance sensations together. Makes a whole lot of sense to me. :) Title: Re: Passionate Marriage ~ David Schnarch PhD Post by: gotbushels on October 23, 2016, 07:04:49 AM C<||| Skip I found your choice of quotations really interesting. Thank you for the bit about conflict and unilateral disclosure actually building intimacy. I do think the substitution of sex for true intimacy is a real concern for persons in dysfunctional relationships too. Thanks everyone for the reviews.
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