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Hi family,

As of over a week ago, i blocked his phone, emailed him that i am only avail by email.  The next day, asked him to have all of his things out by 3 months.  Yesterday, we exchanged emails about how he hopes he hasnt lost me totally from his life.  for me, its pretty total, if the only contact you have is email.  The longest we have gone without seeing eachother is two weeks. He would hug and kiss me hello and goodbye. Its nine days now.

One of his emails, said, he has too much baggage, it was an acknowlegement that i never heard before.  He also emailed, no one has ever done so much, especially to patch things up w him.

A trusted friend, who knows what has been going on, has supported me in disentangling, and she also said to stop seeing him, drop all contact.

I havent done this before, it really hurts.  I really need all the support i can get.  Am going to my best friend today.  I just want to cry.

i am realizing my part in enabling him, for most of our r/s i was paying 75% of our expenses.  I would still help him out, as recent as last month.  We had income inequality.
It looked to me that he was just with me for what he could get.  That is why i asked him for us to live separately.  He had no clue on how much it takes to live, to cover unexpected expenses, i was solving all the problems and feeling unappreciated. 

So now, he is working a lot, way more than he did when he was w me.  I get he wants to keep me around, there arent a lot of people that care and help.  It feels like taking.  Its taking from me.

being a generous person, i saw nothing wrong initially, as time went on, as it seemed he had no regard for me, it was like, why am i doing things for someone who has no consideration of me?  that was my path, getting worse, for ten years... . 

i had no tools, didnt find this site until last year.

Am learning and growing here.  Thank you all for listening.  j

hi juju2,

are you two still doing counseling?

take care, pearl.

No, we are not in counseling anymore

Ah okay!

Three months seems like a long time to give him to get his stuff out... .Why offer so much time, just curious? (After it's already been quite some time... .)

take care, pearl.

Hi Pearl,

It is a long time.  He has a ton of stuff here: see my other post on hoarding.  When he starts to get his stuff, am sure a lot will go in the dumpster.  He has a 20x14 room full, a Carport, and the whole backyard.  He is getting a washer and dryer out of here wednesday.  It looks like a junk yard out back, vehicle, trailer, things all over.

was being generous w the time, if i see nothing happening the first month, am likely to shorten it.  The carport has a dead truck, flat tires, a bunch of junk behind it.  I used to just accept all of this, this is how he was when we met.  Am trying not to be critical, judgemental.

I accept him, there is some reason, that i do not understand.

it is a sad day, tomorrow may be better.

So, its been since may 26, blocked his phone, he is ok w that.
Guess i never meant that much to him.

Difficult day

If someone will share experience, hope

today is not much better

Hi juju2,

So you decided to cut him out of your life now? Do you really want this? Or do you have regrets? It is important to be clear in your own behaviors - that they reflect what you need are not mean to punish or manipulate him. If you want him away from you then you must adjust to the complications of that I think.

How are you adjusting?

keep the focus on your own health, pearl.

I have regrets, pearl.

I also want him to have the opportunity to see what life is like without me... .i have always been there for him.  Always.
It seems like i am being used, that isnt good for me, or our relationship.

I still get emails from him every three to four days.
I also watched a you tube video on if pwBPD ever strikes you, the r/s is over.  You cant go back, there is no respect. Back then i didnt know what i was dealing with.

Oh well.  If any of you have strength i appreciate it, j

Hi juju,

What did that video mean for you? Was there violence in your relationship?

What does he talk about in the emails if you don't mind me asking?

with compassion, pearl.

Hey Juju, we all support you here.  

Detaching is hard, and it seems like this is the best course of outcome for your situation at this point, am I correct?

You mentioned
I have also felt this way in my relationship with my expBPD. It sucks. You give and you give, and it feels like it is not good enough, right? You hope they see the good you do for them and they will trust you/love you more/takes away the fights/problems they create. It is very difficult, Juju.

In time, things do get better. Right now, everything is difficult and it will be for a while. But youre strong Juju, you've overcome many battles before and this will be another battle you will overcome.


What did you mean by this statement, Juju, were you involved in physical harm? This is a safe place if you choose to share. If not, it is understandable. We are hear for you regardless.  

I watch some of the same videos on bPD and narcissism. Although its not a "one size fits all" with this mental disorder, I also saw how my ex lost respect for me after the verbal abuse. Although, I never always tolerated it and stood up for myself. I saw how the abuse made me withdraw, and her lose respect.

Pearl, he talks about putting in the faucet he got frm remodeling job, about trimming a tree that is hiting house, have a good day, lets see, what else;
it has been since may 27 that its only email communication... .11 days.?
Its been also, he hope he hasnt lost me, he cares deeply about me... .which i havent responded to.
Thanking me for all i did for him; he understands where i am, that he has a lot of baggage... .he has been quite heartfelt in his emails.

c.w., yes there has been violence, hit me in the arm, powerful punch, twice, about 7 yrs ago, i didnt know then, not to ever escalate when he deregulates... .after that, i would walk away when he started to get dysregulated, because his anger went from 0-60 in about one minute.  scary.

since i stopped escalating, his dysregulation seemed to lessen.  Before we separated last year, he was withdrawn, even his face looked pained, he was not happy... .that was a bad several months from 2016-march 2017... .then, april 2017-october, we traveled together every month, 4-7 days, 7 trips, i took  care of him during recovery fm surgery in april last yr... .our last real date was oct. 1 last yr... our last trip was dec last yr... .sorry this is so long... .thank you all for being there for me.  j

Last nite, he got his washer, dryer that he had put in our backyard.  He went thru the backyd, by the alley.  Didnt even hear him.  I had emailed him when back yard alley gate unlocked, i am sick, resting, i did decide to keep the faucet you gave me.  He emailed back, thank you, is there anything you need?... emailed back, thank you anyway, dont know what that would be... .we had a nice couple of emails back/forth... .  tomorrow is my b.day, it will be hard.  First time in ten years not together on our b days.

i will need continued support frm you all

Hi juju2,

Birthdays are often days filled with expectations... .and disappointments. What can you do for yourself on your birthday that will make it a special day for you, if you so desire, nevertheless?

I would take myself out to eat somewhere I liked... .and I often extend my celebration beyond the actual day so that it is less pressure on the day itself.

Wishing you peace in your heart for your birthday!   

warm wishes, pearl.

Thank you very much Pearl.

I appreciate the kindness you have shown me, and the whole community has shown me and one another.

so today is my birthday, usually i would get an email wishing me h.b.   nothing.  Oh well.
The day isnt over.

Happy Birthday juju   celebrate2

I know how hard this is. I’m sorry you are going through it.

Try not to let your mind make up stories about your worth, or his feelings, according to whether he contacts you or not. We can’t necessarily know the reasons for others’ actions, but we can be our own best friend and not leave ourselves through focusing on what others are or aren’t doing.

Have you done something special or nurturing for yourself today?  

I wish you a better year, filled with joy and peace... .

heartandwhole

Thank you Heart for the bday wish!

This community helps a lot of people.

Blessings to you all, j

Hi juju! I am sorry to hear that you are struggling. I like what you said here. I do not know if you want to leave the door open (I guess the only situation when the door is 100% closed is when the other person is dead) but I like a lot what you are saying. In my opinion the best way out from negative loop is to severe all the ties and take your time to think what you really want. When you are in this emotional turbulence it is very difficult to think clearly. I have been in similar situation lately and when I got both my depression and ADD medication back (and working) I was able to detach myself enough to start living my own life again. Of course I needed a lot of validation from different professionals to confirm that I am not paranoid and making things up. In my opinion the best position for repairing damaged relationship(if this is what you eventually want) is when both parties have regained their independence again.

Maybemaybenot,

You hit the nail on the head.
Am in a place just past desperation.  On the plus side of desperation, can accept it if nothing comes of the r/s.   I wont know what could be created though, if i keep being there for him, like a crutch.
And he was there for me, in the way he could be, a tentative way.  so, this path of getting completely out of his way is what makes the most sense. All we have is email contact. 
Also, i am taking good self care, which makes a huge difference.  Am learning healthy ways.  This community has been supportive, that makes a difference.  Thank you,  j

His last email was happy birthday, hope you had a great birthday.  He is proud of me, all the things i am doing; i feel like by severing ties, having him get his things, he may be able to see what he is losing.  I feel like he kept so many of his precious things w me as a type of connection.  I dont really know.  For me, i was enabling him, because most people dont do what i was doing, storing everything for him, taking care of something he should be taking care of.   

For me, getting to this point is a sign i am getting healthier.

 So i got an email today, he wants me to swap the d.r. table he has, that was ours, for a table he gave me, its a cheap ikea.   He says because its too big for his little kitchen.  My house has a d.r., his doesnt.  He said someone gave him a small table that works better.

And he gave me a small couch when he moved out, because he was taking our couch.  He wants to trade those out.  I said, you can have the little couch, and i am going to get my own couch.

I feel like he is being nice.  He could sell our d.r.table, he doesnt have to offer it to me, that is the table we had special dinners, get togethers.  Ours.

So i guess he may be thinking about... .memories.  good memories.?

Hi family,

This is hard.!

it seems like i am punishing myself.  Oh well.

There is so much in life i dont understand.

I see him discarding the one person who loved him.   And, i am giving him the opportunity to do just that.  It really sucks.

Its ok.  I know nothing happens by accident.

happy belated birthday juju. I hope your day was special 

What makes you think you are punishing yourself?

Hi c.
I guess by having anything to do w him.
My friends keep saying put all of his stuff outside.
No one undetstands except here.
  My sponsor is not at all in agreement w how i have dealt w him.  I just cant be mean and vengeful.  I still see the sweet, caring person who is in there.

The last time i saw him for coffee, and he wanted me to watch our dog, that was painful.  I had been set up for that for two weeks.  Thats why i am not seeing him and we are only emailing, which it looks like he is fine with.

I understand how you feel. My friends would tell me “she doesn’t deserve you” or “she is a horrible person” but they don’t understand the mental disorder or her as a person. They haven’t seen the loving side, only the bad moments or shared and they want what’s best for you but they don’t really offer the best advice. I would steer clear from taking advice from people who haven’t had experience with BPD relationships. Chances are they will make things worse.

I would ask for advice and it lead to jading which I didn’t know. I also blamed myself for not listening to my friends and started to think I was a failure because I couldn’t take their advice and then thought how I disappointed them. Toxic way of thinking that I had to overcome. I also felt embarrassed I would ask for their advice and then run back to my ex. I lost friends like this because they thought I didn’t care about their opinions and did the opposite.

Only you know the dynamics of your relationship and know your ex best. Even if things are unclear. I think this community is also your best option for advice. It certainly was for me.

I can’t be mean and vengeful to my ex either. I tried hating her. I tried saying I hate her but I was lying to myself. I still have our pictures because she means the world to me and always will. And when I think about her I cry. People say I didn’t love her and etc. but they don’t know poop. I of course see my ex as a loving person still. And get mad about the illness. I want to cure it or help anyway. I am pursuing a career in medical field and would love to research cluster b personalities and help fix it. But I know it’s pretty much impossible. That’s how much this stuff fuels me.

It’s painful juju. He shows he still cares. We don’t know his ulterior motives at all. It’s hard to tell and especially with someone who has BPD, they most likely don’t want to show it because of rejection. People are so complex.

If you guys decide to meet for coffee, maybe switch it up next time? and get something like bubble tea (really good) or try a smoothie place? It’s still very short and brief but trying new things in my opinion builds a better bond and memories. And gives you new things to talk about. Just some ideas for you juju.

Hi c.w.  thank you.  I agree totally.   People who dont have experience w this disorder cant help.

So i went to just email, after he asked me at the last coffee to watch our dog, he bites everyone except me and him.  He said"we are going out of town"... .i never heard him talk like that to me.  We had an agreement to keep our visit about ourselves, no outside relationships.  All of this was after two weeks of him coming over, spending time w me, i see now, buttering me up... .

After that last coffee, i asked him to remove all his things from our house.   gave him 3 months, there is a ton of stuff... .he works, too, when he can, so i thought that was a reasonable amount of time.
I also want to ask him to not bring who he is seeing to my house... .do you think that will be ok, or should i just ask him to let me know who is coming over?  i can figure that out when the time comes... .he has been really nice, i got sick, had emailed him, letting him know i got sick, he had wished me happy birthday.  He offered to get me some medicine, he would leave it at the door... .
And then the thing about trading furniture, he is giving me our d/r table, nice oak, four chairs, beautiful.  Its too big for his tiny place... .i am thinking, its too big, is that because someone else is always there?  (there goes my stinkin thinkin... .its none of my business)  he also wants me to have our couch, he took, and he wants back the smaller one he gave me... .i just said, take the small couch, am going to get a different couch... .i really dont get what is going on... .and i dont want the couch they were sitting on.

My friend who knows us, she said he is getting his needs met.  She said she wouldnt think about it more than that.  That is good advice.  He has never said, i am happy, i hope you find someone who will make you happy too.  He doesnt say that.  I would say something like that, if i felt my ex was waiting around for me... .he does say, you are a good woman.  He says that often.

Because honestly, he hasnt said anything to me about the o.w.   for all i know, it could be friends w benefits.  There was a big event on saturday, both groups him and i belong to hosted the event, he didnt go.  (I didnt go either.  I saw his vehicle at his work)  If he was to go w the o.w., people would be asking about me.   Him and i were supporters of it in previous years... .for ten years...
So idk what is going on.  I really dont!

So, all ties will be severed third week in august.
He emailed me this morning about something he thought would be good for the (our) house, 6:37 a.m.

Hi, just now got home fm work, had mentioned am low on animal food, he got me a bag of food, cat litter, and canned food.  That was so nice.!

I know he does want to be something to me, i am not sure what.  Who cares what we call it anyway.

So he dropped off animal food.

I thanked him.  I really do not know what is going on.  Usually, if he was going to do something for me or our animals, he would ask first.

He has all of his stuff to retrieve.  And that will take a while.  My sense is, he is doing whatever he needs to do.  Wish i could be more good spirited.  I just see where he has been calculating.

Basically, what i am seeing now, is more mixed messages.  He brought animal food, that was nice, and also, what does it mean.  I shared that animal food was low right now.  He isnt making sense.

I thanked him.  And still, i wonder, what is going on.

J

do you think if you perhaps ask him why hes being so nice, he will give you answers you seek?

Well, i know he cares a lot about our animals.  He sent me 7 emails just yesterday.

I havent told you guys yet, i met someone nice.  He is 7 yrs older than me, he treats me like a lady, he is old fashioned.  His wife of twenty years died 2 yrs ago, and he said he wants to start living again.  We met on match.com, this is our first date for both of us on match.  My first date since being separated.  We laugh a lot.  He has a great smile, laugh.  We went to an excellent restaurant, he even got me a birthday present, early!  He just retired from an excellent job, has a pension, etc.owns his house, car.  All this stuff he told me, because we talked for like 6 hours.  He says he knows we would make a great couple
  am taking it slow.  We have another date this friday, another excellent place, i have been wanting to go there.  He even said, he wants to take me to hawaii next month, we would go for a week.  I know this is alot.  its hard too, because i have strong feelings for pwBPD.  I am not over him.


I told him, S. that have co dependency issues, and have to take it slow... .do you all think it is ok for me to see the new guy.?

Thank you so much, j

Hey Juju, first off I’m happy you put yourself back out there! It can be a very scary process to date again and open your heart to others. You can definitely check my posts in the “learning after a failed r/s” section.

I think taking things slow is an excellent thing to do. You’re in no rush, and when we typically rush things, that’s when typically mistakes happen.

However, just my opinion, and I hope someone can chime in. I think this guy is rushing things.  red-flag

Why I think it’s getting rushed? Aka Red Flags
1. Talk for 6 hours. (That’s a really really really long time) to talk to someone for 6 hours when you’ve just met I think is moving a bit fast.

2. He said “we will make a great couple”. You guys just met... I think he’s probably just ready to jump into any relationship without getting to truly know you or anyone first. (We all want a perfect healthy relationship with the person we like/ date but to say you’re the one and commit right off the bat, it’s a red flag.)

3. He is going to take you to a trip to Hawaii. This is usually done with long term couples once a strong bond is established. Traveling together is usually a big commitment step and a huge deal in my opinion.

It’s good you mentioned your codependency problem, however, I think you both are rushing things. What do you think, Juju?

I know dating someone new is so exhilarating and amazing. You get this rush and your heart starts to feel alive again and everything becomes so exciting since you dated someone with BPD. You sort of feel some self worth again and purpose that you haven’t in a while. But be careful, Juju and be safe  

Very wise words, CryWolf. And yes, I noticed the same red flags.

However - yes, Juju! Wonderful news! Date a nice man, let him take you to excellent places and treat you like a lady! That's exactly what you deserve.

Just take it slow and don't do anything you don't want to do. Have fun and enjoy life

Cry, Sun,  totally get it. Thank you both for the feedback!

 He is a strong personality, knows what he wants.  He tells me am beautiful, smart, loves my long red hair, green eyes, it really feels excellent to have an attractive man treat me so great.  I feel starved for a healthy r/s.  So i know have to take it slow.  We are both irish, we laugh at the same jokes.  He seems responsible, no nonsense guy.  What you see, thats what you get.  Heres the thing, after being in a long r/s w pwBPD, can i be in a normal r/s... .?  am just going to see what unfolds, no rushing.  and, i still love my pwBPD.
How do i do this.

Hi Juju

I feel really happy for you.    :)

I think it may take some time but I believe you can be in a normal r/s. I was in abusive relationships for most of my life. I'm now engaged to a wonderful man who treats me better than anyone ever has. I feel safe with him. I feel loved and cherished. We have good conversations and we can talk to each other like healthy normal people. I think what helped me and what may help you is being aware of who you are as well as setting and enforcing good healthy boundaries. Take care of yourself and then I think it will become more clear to you what is healthy for you and what is not.

Thank you fire.  Appreciate your feedback.

I still miss my pwBPD.  Its been 19 days since we saw eachother.

It’s normal to miss someone Juju. I miss my BPDEx and it’s been 6 months. But I still remember how she felt, how she smelled and how she sounded. I will always love her. It’s normal to always have feelings for someone. It’s just a process to let go and move on. Love is complex and feelings and emotions are complex.

When i met my s.o., i had been divorced for 6 years, and felt ready to date.

  It is so different now.
wasnt going to date, didnt feel like it, and i met someone i have fun with.  This new guy, he is really ready to get serious, after waiting almost two yrs.  Him and his wife were best friends... .

i have been saying to him, am really going slow, if he cant handle that, i understand... .

All i have for today.  It is hard

What activities do you have planned planned for today? What’s for dinner?


Thinking about a dinner usually gets my mind off someone for a a while. Lol

So true.!

Burrito, free for my b day.

Thank you cry. !

Hi family,
What i am experiencing is really more of what was present when we lived together.  Attachment disorder.  The whole time, it was like, what is going on?  Whenever there was an opportunity to strengthen our bond, it has sabotaged.  One thing i noticed w this new guy, he is not afraid of commitment, being strong for me.  We went to where my d22 works, server, and i did not feel any strangeness, or any rejection coming from him.  It felt "normal" vs. something i cant quite describe, like a non connection w my family.  I felt no distance w this new person... .

  i really had been blind to all the nuances that were going on during my time w my BPD s.o.  i read on here about the nons being distanced from their family, and that happened to me as well.

good morning family,

You all have so supported me, i cant thank you wnough.  Am still in the process of removing all ties.

First off good choice on the burrito. Burritos and tacos are awesome


Me and my exBPD went through the same thing. Whenever things finally turned up and started to get better, she would self sabatoge. She would pick a fight out of nowhere and all the progress would be lost.

My exBPD was also afraid of commitment. SHe was the most WISHY-washy person every. And if I ever showed uncertainty, boy did I get it from her. And then trying to explain myself? Nope. She wouldn’t listen.

Although she wanted me to have a stronger bond with family, over time I realized my bond was gettin weaker. I was too focused on her and became an angry person towards people.i was exhausted for any human interaction .

I dated 2  girls after her. Both actually wanted to get to know me. Both ask me questions and seemed to genuinely care, my exBPd however barely talked as our dates progressed and I would tend to force conversations. I felt like I was doing all the pursuing. It sucks when things are one sided.

Slowly that’s what happened to our relationship.

I would say “goodmorning”
Her “hi” or “morning” or “yup”
Me “what do you have planned today, baby girl?”
Her “not your baby girl” or “wrong girl”

She would always say “wrong girl” to tell me how I’m messaging the wrong girl and that I’m a player and have other girls besides her.

Then I would have to overcompensate by reassuring her. Or not reply because I felt hurt she would even say that. Then she would message how people can’t drjve and how she almost got hit etc.

I realized the pattern that she would say she almost got in a accident to shift the anger into me saying “wow are you okay? I’m glad your safe” ... .I just realized this yesterday. 7 months after the breakup.

I guess what I’m saying is, Don’t be so hard on yourself for not knowing the signs early on. We all become blind when in love and disregard things. We all want love, Juju.  

Hi cry,

Wow.  It is devastating to hear what nons have been thru.  I believe there is a different dynamic w female BPD vs male BPD.  My s.o.  was constantly flirting inappropriately.  He was demeaning to me.
I find it hard to believe, even now, that he did this consciously.  For me, that was his serious mental illness, pushing boundaries.  I remember being so upset, that i couldnt even speak.  Its like, anything i say, will start something, that i will regret.  Last year for my birthday, he took me to a very nice restaurant, proceeded to flirt w our server, told her, "you are beautiful, i would love to take your picture sometime "  and, "would it be ok if i came back on a different nite, to see when would be a good time for you and i to get together"?  The server looked at me, with a strange, confused look.  Yeah, that is what i would endure, weekly. It was so demoralizing.  I wanted to walk out of there, tell him to f off, and write him out of my life.  He didnt say anything like tjat to me all evening.  I finally saw, does this person even like me?  Who would do these things, especially on someone's birthday?

Those continuous things, all the time  i do not miss

This last msg i sent was a bad memory.

Was not reacting to what he said or did, just realky saw how out of touch he can be, and i saw his disorder in action.  The emotional disorder is devastating to those who care the most.  If i didnt care, it wouldnt affect me.  j

Hi family, havent posted for a few days.
Am still in some kind of limbo.  Guess this does take a while.

I totally get this, juju2.  . It does take time. I think feeling in limbo is actually not a bad place to be—you are in the “unknown” and therefore more open to possibilities and opportunities.

At times like that, I try to remember that Life has plans for me that I can’t see or understand, but in my experience, they have been much better than my mind was imagining.  :)on’t know if that resonates with you, but hoping you can trust in the goodness all around that can be so hard to see when we’re confused and hurting.

heartandwhole

Thank you.  I think about him every day.

Am seeing a nice man, tonite will be our 2nd date.
This man supports me, he checks on me, calls once a day, to see how my day is going.takes me to nice place(s) --tonite is a great restaurant.  Guess being in limbo allows me to explore other experiences.  am slow to let my heart get involved, this is my way of protecting myself. 
any thought you all have are appreciated.

He emailed me, is in the hosp for severe dehydration, he was working in the heat for several days in a row, didnt take good care.  He went into renal failure as well.  So i called him, he says is doing better. I really really care about him. 

Visited him briefly, he is ill, lungs w fluid, he overdoes things and gets sick.he has damaged his kidneys from dehydration, hopefully not permanent.  that was one of our issues, he didnt take very good care of himself.
It seemed like it didnt matter or something like that.  Maybe its part of BPD.
Anyway, he went into being sorry that i was having such a hard time, he said he never wanted to hurt me.  I just said, its ok, i will be ok. 

When i got home, i texted him, you looked very concerned about me, just letting you know i have met someone, and i will be o.k.  the only reason am sharing this w you, is because you looked very worried about me.  I dont want you to worry.

its been a long day, family, thank you for your support... .j

So, when i went to see him at the hospital, he looked a lot worse than he said he was.  He let himself get real ill.  He thinks they will release him today, and then he told me he is going to go right out and finish that job in the heat. So, he will end up right back in the hosp... .he doesnt make any sense.  I know he needs the $.

am trying to understand. 

the other thing, he made me wrong for visiting him, he said "you surprised me by coming here"
to which i said, i only was going to drop your plant at the nurses station, and when i was leaving, you met me in the elevator... .i stood up for myself.  He is one of the most ungrateful person i have ever met... .it amazes me that he has used that tactic our whole r/s.  He makes me wrong, i feel guilty, and then i do more for him, and the cycle repeats.  I broke the cycle yesterday, by standing up for myself and for letting him know, dont worry about me.  I am o.k. 

Despite all this, my care for him is still there.  I cant say i dont care.  I am just seeing more of the dynamic, what he was using to keep me.  I would do something supportive, then i would get punished, then i would think there was something wrong w me, and try harder next time... .insanity.

I am being restored from being insane.

I think he is upset you are seeing someone new. Him saying “I hope I end back in here” is probably him expressing how hurt he feels and wants you to show you care still.

What do you think?

Hi cry,

I am sure it is a shock to him.  And i cant control, cure, or cause anything.  Its his life.

Thank you cry!

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