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Children, Parents, or Relatives with BPD => Parent, Sibling, or In-law Suffering from BPD => Topic started by: pursuingJoy on October 26, 2021, 01:11:23 PM



Title: Patterns and progress
Post by: pursuingJoy on October 26, 2021, 01:11:23 PM
He can't spend time with his daughter without spending an equal, separate amount of time with his mom.

H has visited his adult daughter (who lives 20 mins from MIL) three times in the last 3 months. They always got together with BPD MIL to eat lunch and hang out. Each time, the moment he gets home, he announces he's taking a separate day off work that week to go see his mom alone. He says, "I didn't get to spend time with her with everyone around."

We can't have fun without making her miserable.

My mom, who I see once a year and lives 10 hrs away, came to visit us. H told MIL about the visit. She became sad and felt left out. In response, H told me how lonely his mom was, that she wanted to come visit too. I said sure, but not overnight, per the agreement. He lashed out at me, said I was ridiculous, holding grudges, unreasonable, and I shouldn't treat family that way. I held the line.

His adult daughter and her fiancé came to visit us this past weekend. We had a lot of fun and she posted pics of the weekend on social media. MIL saw the photos and told H that she feels left out. H apologized, then turned around and asked if she could come for Thanksgiving. Wait for it: he assured me that it would only be for the day. He respected the boundary for the very first time.

Each time we talk about her he still defaults to putting all of the blame and responsibility on me. Each time I expend energy reminding him of the truth. I'm getting better at not jading and just standing on what I know to be true, but sometimes this all gets so exhausting.

I know you're probably carrying a lot today, too. Find time to put the burdens down. It's ok to laugh. It's ok to really enjoy your life. It's ok to trust your gut. You're a good person and you can do this. 


Title: Re: Patterns and progress
Post by: Methuen on October 28, 2021, 03:22:57 PM
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He can't spend time with his daughter without spending an equal, separate amount of time with his mom.

I don't know what it is about BPD that makes their whole world revolve around "keeping score", whether it be an "eye for an eye" narrative (fighting back with their version of an equal amount of pain), or doling out the candy "exactly equally" between the grandkids.  Or in your case, ensuring "equal time" is spent with each family member.  There is something about BPD and the narrative of "equal".  Not saying your H is BPD, but I'll bet his mom is making sure she is "getting her share of her version of equal", and making that known to your H, who lives the world of obligation to keep mama sedate, rather than risking the terrifying guilt parade or another rage.

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My mom, who I see once a year and lives 10 hrs away, came to visit us. H told MIL about the visit. She became sad and felt left out. In response, H told me how lonely his mom was, that she wanted to come visit too.
I can relate.  My mom lives in my town 6 min away from me.  Once a year, my FIL used to come visit and stay for several weeks.  He was physically high maintenance (advancing vascular dementia) and pretty much 24/7 care, and my mom just could not seem to handle that he got all the attention whilst he was staying with us (despite the fact that she got all the attention the other 50 weeks of the year).  I think when he came, her switch flipped, and the "sense of abandonment" emotion kicked in.
 I'm speculating, but I cannot even put into words the time she came to our house with a "mad on", and raged the hurricane from hell.  Slammed the back door so hard when she left that the whole flipping house shook.  It was her first and only public rage (my H and daughter were present, and I was unable to talk her down by reminding her that her grand-daughter was present).  Your H is probably doing what he has to do to prevent this kind of scene because the words that come out of their mouth deliver terrifying and hurtful personal messages designed to inflict as much pain as possible on us.

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His adult daughter and her fiancé came to visit us this past weekend. We had a lot of fun and she posted pics of the weekend on social media. MIL saw the photos and told H that she feels left out. H apologized, then turned around and asked if she could come for Thanksgiving. Wait for it: he assured me that it would only be for the day. He respected the boundary for the very first time.
Oh my PJ.  This is a win.  :wee: :wee: :wee: :wee: :wee:

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I know you're probably carrying a lot today, too. Find time to put the burdens down. It's ok to laugh. It's ok to really enjoy your life. It's ok to trust your gut. You're a good person and you can do this.
This is an awesome mantra and reminder for all of us.  Thanks for this gift.



Title: Re: Patterns and progress
Post by: pursuingJoy on October 29, 2021, 12:37:39 PM
I don't know what it is about BPD that makes their whole world revolve around "keeping score", whether it be an "eye for an eye" narrative (fighting back with their version of an equal amount of pain), or doling out the candy "exactly equally" between the grandkids.  Or in your case, ensuring "equal time" is spent with each family member.  There is something about BPD and the narrative of "equal".

This is so true, and I totally see it in the 'eye for an eye.' At first H and MIL were hardcore committed to equality among all of our kids. My mom still feels the same. I found it interesting that about 4 years ago, MIL cut me and my kids completely out of her will. That's when my relationship with her began to obviously sour, so it could have been her version of vengeance towards me. I'm assuming H shared how frustrated he was with my kids, so it's also possible she did it in his defense. (She and my kids have always had a positive relationship.)

This is an awesome mantra and reminder for all of us.  Thanks for this gift.

M, you have loads on your plate. I hope you make time for joy today.


Title: Re: Patterns and progress
Post by: Woolspinner2000 on October 29, 2021, 01:16:47 PM
Hi PJ,  :hi:

I have fallen for the 'equal' hook so many times. It's really not about equal. It's about the fact that we are requesting or standing for something we would like, and that we would maintain a boundary. Playing the equal game is never really equal. I mean we can say okay to equal literal time, but is it equal in quality? Sometimes a short time with someone who is disordered is way too much. Sometimes a short time with a dear loved one is never enough.

 :hug:
Wools


Title: Re: Patterns and progress
Post by: pursuingJoy on November 01, 2021, 11:19:57 AM
Wools that's such a great point!