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THE PSYCHOLOGY OF PERSONALITY DISORDERS
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« on: April 09, 2011, 12:34:57 AM »

Has anyone seen a noticeable improvement of BPD symptoms from fish oil alone (without other meds and/or therapy).  I ask because I came across a few articles indicating preliminary studies of fish oil administered to BPD patients yielding positive results.  Since my BPD wife refuses treatment of any kind, and since she just gave birth, I convinced her to start taking two fish oil tablets a day "for the baby's health" viz a viz breastfeeding.  So you don't think I'm harming my baby, research also indicates it's very healthy for the baby too.

I am particularly interested in hearing of first hand experiences with fish oil in a BPD context.  Thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2011, 09:19:39 AM »

I read this last night:

Zanarini and colleagues published an amazing study exploring the use of omega-3 fatty acids (2003).  This was the prospective, randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study.  The study included thirty women diagnosed with borderline personality disorder.  The treatment group received a dose of omega-3 fatty acids:  one gram per day.  The other group received placebo.  

By the end of the eight-week study the experimental group showed significant improvement in ratings of aggression and depression compared to the placebo group.  Omega-3 fatty acids have been used experimentally to treat unipolar depression and bipolar disorder and may play a role in enhancing affect control.

Omega-3 is found in fish oils supplements, which can be obtained at health food stores.  This treatment was well tolerated, with virtually no side effects.  Obviously this promising study needs to be replicated.  Stay tuned.

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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2011, 10:07:54 AM »

That's the study I was referring to  wink.  Just looking to hear some real life experiences confirming the study.  If true, it should certainly give us all some hope.
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« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2011, 10:11:45 AM »

I take fish oil capsules daily from the organic Whole(paycheck) Foods store.  I know personally they do help my mood and fight depression.

I'm getting a bottle for H, after reading your post and the entry in the book I posted.  Can't hurt.  Doing the right thing
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« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2011, 10:40:24 AM »

Not related to BPD, but fish oil is the only "vitamin" (supplement/whatever) that I've ever taken that's shown noticeable effects (improved mem, etc).  And I usually took only one per day despite the bottle advising 3.

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« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2011, 10:53:50 AM »

 It cant hurt to try tho its doubtful that this has panned out, since this was in 2003, 8 yrs ago.. Yet if she has other deficiencies that the fish oil can take care of, awesome!
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« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2011, 01:57:12 PM »

Well hopefully she actually takes the capsules when I'm not around.  I will try to report back on my findings in a month or so.  It would be awesome if a few of you were able to try this too and let me know your findings, if at all possible.
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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2011, 12:15:40 PM »

The Omega 3s are supposed to be good brain food, maybe that's why it supposedly helps BPD, in part.  It is important to have it high quality, since any chemicals are concentrated in fat, one time when the big dollas for organic is a good idea.  You esp. have to watch out for concentrates of mercury in seafood, darn.

I will be part of the experiment!  We give the fish oil tabs as supplements to our dogs, and my H and I try to remember to take them too.  I prefer to mostly get my nutrition by eating well, but b/c my BPDh has back issues, the fish oil tabs are also recommended for that.  So, I will "help" him to be more consistent about taking them, and also advise re any noticeable improvements...
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« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2011, 09:54:12 AM »

Sounds good.  I should let you all know of one caveat to my experiment however.  My wife almost lost her life when giving birth a few weeks ago (nearly bled to death).  When she recovered she told me how much help she would need from me b/c she was too weak to take care of herself and the baby. 

That's when I finally put my foot down and told her either her mom or my mom was going to stay with us to help because I could not work and do everything else at home.  To give you some background, she had isolated us from pretty much both of our entire families, claiming everyone and anyone had wronged her in some way and that they all were a negative influence in our lives.

Well after I put my foot down in the hospital telling her I was bringing our families back into our lives no matter what she said or did she had what I believe was an extinction burst and raged, first in person, then over the phone, then over text messages all that night how I didn't love her respect her and put her first. 

Finally about 24 hours later, she said fine our families are back in our lives but I will not be the sweet loving wife to you I used to be since you don't respect me. 

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« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2011, 10:04:09 AM »

One study I read suggested it was more important to adjust the ratio between Omega-3 and Omega-6 oils. The study used children that were taking Ritalin to control ADHD. By modifying their diets, which included Omega-3 supplements and reducing their consumption of foods rich in Omega-6 oil (potato chips, fried foods, etc.), the success rate of treatment for ADHD was much greater than by just giving them Omega-3 supplements alone.
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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2011, 04:00:19 PM »

My husband has been taking 1000 mg of Fish Oil daily (for overall health) for a couple years now and I have not seen any improvement in his behavior or anger.  How much of it did the study recommend?
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« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2011, 07:08:04 PM »

My husband has been taking 1000 mg of Fish Oil daily (for overall health) for a couple years now and I have not seen any improvement in his behavior or anger.  How much of it did the study recommend?

From my unprofessional review of the literature, it really seems like the fish oil EPA is what improves the mental state.  Anywhere from 1 gram up to 4 and even 8 grams of EPA.  DHA is apparently better for other health concerns but again its EPA which appears to improve mental state.  Look for fish oil with a very high epa to dha ratio.   
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« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2011, 08:50:32 AM »

Unprofessional opinion here...

We all take fish oil supplements in my home.  Even the toddlers.  DHA/EPA is important to developing brains, old brains, etc.

I've seen no lessoning of BPDd symptoms though  cry

She willingly takes her supplements so we'll see if over time along with the other treatmnets help.
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« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2011, 09:32:45 AM »

Maybe it's keeping them from getting worse.  shocked  I know I can feel kind of draggish when I forget to take it or run out.
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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2011, 09:43:23 AM »

One thing we should remember is that studies using brain scans of those with BPD shows abnormalities in that they do not use parts of the brain that healthy people do to regulate emotions. I think we need to be realistic about how much benefit they will receive from nutritional supplements alone.
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« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2011, 05:48:32 PM »

One thing we should remember is that studies using brain scans of those with BPD shows abnormalities in that they do not use parts of the brain that healthy people do to regulate emotions. I think we need to be realistic about how much benefit they will receive from nutritional supplements alone.

I agree that we need to be realistic.  What gives me hope though is that brain scans and other tests do show biological differences, which suggests to me that supplements and/or medicine can in fact have an affect on the disorder.  Do I think fish oil is a cure all for BPD?  No way.  But if fish oil can reduce the symptoms by at least a noticeable amount, I would be one happy camper!
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« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2011, 06:06:11 PM »

But if fish oil can reduce the symptoms by at least a noticeable amount, I would be one happy camper!

I am in complete agreement. I think a lot of things, including poor nutrition, can make an already bad thing even worse. Those with BPD are hypersensitive, and I think we become hypersensitive to their hypersensitivity, and any improvement in them, no matter how small, will not go without us noticing.

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« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2011, 05:54:50 PM »

During her pregnancy it was discovered my wife has hypothyroidism.  She know takes synthetic thyroid.  I read one article indicating that hypothyroidism is found in BPD persons at a much higher rate then in the general population.  Today, my wife was also diagnosed with a vitamin D deficiency and will go on Vitamin D supplements soon.  My initial research indicates a vitamin D deficiency can also result in depression. 

I'm obviously not a DR., but it is clear BPD persons suffer from certain biological deficiencies (differences?). If these supplements can address some of her biological deficiencies and reduce her mental disorder symptoms, I will be so so grateful.
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« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2011, 11:17:24 AM »

I knew it was too good to be true. Yesterday my wife told me that I am too controlling.  When I asked her to clarify she stated that "I am forcing her to take "drugs".  I said what drugs?  Her reply: fish oil and vitamin D.  My reply: your doctor prescribed you vitamin d because you have a deficiency and I encouraged you to take fish oil becausae every study conducted on fish oil declares how healthy it is in many different respects.  Her reply: Your not a doctor, if you want to tell me what to do go to medical school first.  My reply "um okay, talk to your doctor then".

Of course this is after approximately 30 straight days of her talking her the vitamins in question and thanking me for looking out for her health.  Better still, after the above conversation occurred around dinner time, I then was rewarded with a great bedtime dicusssion of how disgusting my family is and how I always put them first and her last.  

Conclusion:  I want to say the fish oil slighlty mitigated her symptoms for the month she was taking it but obvioulsy after only month it did not prevent a full blown dysregulation.
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« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2011, 10:25:46 AM »

thank you lost,

I was so hopefull of the fish oil tablets...

We all are waiting for that wonder drug to cure them...that one miracle!
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« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2013, 04:32:25 PM »

Interesting! My ex BPD would take fish oil daily for general health but I don't think it toned down his crazy at all.

And yes, I use fish oil daily as well for baby's health when I  breastfeed
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« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2013, 03:25:37 PM »

Yes, Omega IIIs are akin to "oil" for the brain just like how important oil is for a car's engine. The brain is made up of 2/3s fat so healthy fats like Omega IIIs, raw virgin Coconut Oil, Walnuts, and Avacados are exceptional brain foods.

At a deeper core, our brains are potentially made up of 90% water so we all need to drink lots of healthy, pure, clean water too. Sadly, most Americans are chronically dehydrated which leads to depression, pain, anxiety, allergies, asthma, and chronic fatigue.

Dehydration leads to inflammation which then leads to various types of chronic illnesses such as cancer, diabetes, and heart disease too.

Quotes from a Natural News article (dated: Jan. 2, 2006 Author: Alexis Black):

"The omega-3 fatty acid known as docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) is an important ingredient for optimal brain function. Earl Mindell, RPh PhD, writes in Earl Mindell's Supplement Bible, “There's a reason why fish is known as brain food. It is a rich source of docosahexaenoic acid (DHA), a fatty acid that is found in high concentration in the gray matter of the brain. DHA is instrumental in the function of brain cell membranes, which are important for the transmission of brain signals.”

By making cell membranes more fluid, omega-3 fatty acids, especially DHA, improve communication between the brain cells, according to Mind Boosters author Dr. Ray Sahelia. As a result, lack of omega-3 in the body can cause a communication breakdown in the brain, which is probably the last place you'd want such a breakdown to happen.

Omega-3 fatty acids are so important to the development and proper maintenance of the brain that “some scientists even postulate that it was the ingestion of omega-3 EFAs that allowed the brain to evolve to the next stage in human development,” according to Superfoods Rx authors Steven G. Pratt and Kathy Matthews.

Omega-3 deficiencies in adults have been linked to various mental and emotional disorders. In fact, “some doctors even think the epidemic amounts of mental illness in modern societies can be traced back to the omega imbalance in the food supply,” according to Eat and Heal, by the Editors of FC&A Medical Publishing.

Low levels of DHA have been linked to memory loss, depression, bipolar disorder, attention deficit disorder, schizophrenia, autism and general learning difficulties or bad moods. “If you don't feed brain cell membranes enough of the right type of fat, the messages can be short-circuited and garbled.

That may mean a disturbance in mood, concentration, memory, attention, and behavior,” writes Miracle Cures author Jean Carper. Depression in particular has been frequently linked to low levels of DHA, since omega-3 fatty acids help regulate mood by increasing levels of serotonin, the hormone that relieves depression."

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« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2013, 12:11:35 PM »

According to the recently published National Health and Medical Research Council. Clinical Practice Guideline for the Management of Borderline Personality Disorder.  Melbourne: National Health and Medical Research Council; 2012.  Omega 3 Fatty Acids were associated with a possible reduction in depressive symptoms in people with BPD based on 2 randomized clinical trials.

www.nhmrc.gov.au/_files_nhmrc/publications/attachments/mh25_borderline_personality_guideline.pdf

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« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2013, 01:29:44 PM »

I can't speak to Omega 3 for BPD but I take it for my depression and have noticed a marked but small improvement.  Hey I will take what I can get.
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« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2013, 08:41:40 PM »

Research backs up the claim that fish oil is good for mental healthBut I don't know how you could isolate that as a reason for improvement with so many variables.
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« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2013, 08:47:21 PM »

Research backs up the claim that fish oil is good for mental health

But I don't know how you could isolate that as a reason for improvement with so many variables.

Thanks Randi, I believe in fish oil for overall general health but from what I've seen it has only given slight improvements in people with BPD or bi polar disorder. (I'm a non and I take it for overall health and for brain development of my nursing child)
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« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2013, 10:38:19 AM »

If BPD is faulty hard-wiring of the brain and not chemical imbalance, as evidence suggests, then I cannot see how it can make a significant difference.
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« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2013, 10:52:35 AM »

Any positive actions to level the field for potential gain is worth taking. Just as there are no medications to treat BPD there are medications that can address symptomology...   like antidepressants and antipsychotics that are beneficial for some.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that Omega Fatty Acids cure BPD or even depression...   they do however contribute to healthy brain function...   why would we or a pwBPD not take them?

In his book "BPD in Adolescents" Blaisse Aguirre strongly recommends a 1000mg per day for pwBPD...   and people without BPD.
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« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2013, 07:10:04 PM »

More and more health articles have been written in recent years which rave about how helpful raw, organic virgin Coconut Oil (another "good fat" like Omega IIIs) are for people who may suffer from Alzheimer's, Dementia, or other brain or memory issues.

Why do Greeks and Japanese tend to live so long? ANSWER: Greeks love their Olive Oil (another "good fat"), and Japanese love their iodine rich diets (i.e., kelp, seaweed, fish, etc.).

Why do American women tend to have thyroid problems 9 or 10 times more often than men? ANSWER: Their female hormone called estrogen tends to block the full absorption of iodine. Iodine, once again, is the primary "fuel" for a healthy thyroid.

Flaxseed Oil is a great source for Omega IIIs as well along with DHA (algae & fish sources), which may be one of the best Omega III sources. Salmon and Walnuts (another great "brain food") are both excellent Omega III sources too.

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