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« on: June 30, 2008, 08:24:34 PM »

Hello, everyone. I hope everyone is having a happy summer.  I’m writing to keep everyone up-to-date about various projects I am working on and how they might benefit you as a person with a borderline family member. My summer is going great because after three or four years of obsessive research and writing, my new book, the Essential Family Guide to BPD (EFG), is done and into the hands of the publisher. It will be out in late October.

At the risk of sounding self-promoting, I am extremely pleased with the book. I put everything I had into it.

Thus far I’ve gotten great feedback from those who have read it. I’ll be posting some of it on the lists to introduce you to some new concepts you’ll be reading about.

The most important chapter in the book has to do with setting limits. Back in 2006, I asked people to tell me what happened when they tried to set boundaries. I think I got about 40 responses. As I was writing the book, I took those responses and teased out the similarities in all the stories. I found patterns and was able to pinpoint what went wrong and where. One of the things I learned is that I needed an entire chapter about what to do WHEN (not "if" those boundaries aren't respected. I also learned that the secret to sucess in setting boundaries is mental preparation. So I want to thank you all for your help, because your answers were extremely helpful as I tried to figure out solutions to issues that kept coming up again and again. Also, now that I am out of Book Mode, I am going to be much more active in creating awareness of BPD.

Stop Walking on Eggshells and the Stop Walking on Eggshells Workbook were never really promoted—no book tours or national publicity and so on. But my new publisher plans on launching EFG in a bigger way and seeking out promotional opportunities. A few things are already in the works.

To prepare for this, I’m going to redo my website.  I will also be considering other ways to spread the word like newsletters, blogs, speaking, training, and adding new content to my web site on a regular basis.

I am also going to be investigating ways to facilitate local family member connections, revising and updating my booklets, and many other things I haven’t had the time or brainpower to do.
I am going to be taking some personal time off in July, then hit the ground running first thing in August. I can’t tell you how much I am looking forward to this.

In 1996, when Paul Mason and I were looking for a publisher for SWOE, people, kept telling us we were ahead of the curve. Now the curve as caught up!

Warmly,
Randi Kreger
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« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2008, 01:42:11 PM »

Hey Randi... .It's important that books like yours make it out there to raise awareness and offer some solutions for those who are dealing with a BPD in their lives... .so, once again, thank you for SWOE, thank you in advance for the new book and for all the workbooks you have put together.

I hope you get some time to relax in your time off and enjoy yourself... .

Again, many thanks for all you do... .from the bottom of my witchy little heart... .Smiling (click to insert in post)
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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2008, 08:42:20 AM »

The Essential Family Guide to Borderline Personality Disorder
Author: Randi Kreger
Publisher: Hazelden (October 15, 2008)
Paperback: 250 pages
ISBN-10: 1592853633
ISBN-13: 978-1592853632





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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2008, 01:26:06 PM »

I received my book in the mail today and have already started reading.  I can't wait to really get into it!  Thanks Randi!

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« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2008, 01:25:56 PM »

Randi,

   Thank you for pouring your heart into this work.  BPD info, SWOE and family has been a lifesaver for me.  I can cry thinking where I would be without this.

                                                  Love,

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« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2009, 10:38:39 PM »

I am pasting in two reviews from non-BPs on the net:

Very few books can actually change your life. Randi Kreger has written two. "Stop Walking on Eggshells" (SWOE) changed my life and the lives of many others. "The Essential Family Guide" now offers the tools to family members and professionals to help deal with BPD with great efficiency and effectiveness. "The Essential Family Guide" hits the nail directly on the head and drives it home. Where SWOE left off, the Family Guide picks up. It is critical reading for everyone - including counselors, psychologists, and legal professionals - living with or dealing with someone with Borderline Personality Disorder (a "BPD". After reading through the first few chapters, I realized that "The Essential Family Guide" is the next step in my own recovery in dealing with my BPD ex-spouse and in caring for my children exposed to this disorder. If you are coping with a BPD - personally or professionally - you must read the Essential Family Guide. I think of and hear from others out there dealing with the craziness of a BPD in their lives and searching for understanding. If I can convince one person to read The Family Guide and get the benefit that I have received from Randi's books, then I will have done a good thing

I thought nothing could ever top the first book Randi Kreger co-wrote ("Stop Walking on Eggshells" but her newest book does it---I wish I could give ten stars instead of five. This seemingly simple book is one of the top five most useful books I've ever read in my life---I've already reread it twice, and will be reading it again in the years to come to help keep me in the right mental place. If you want to not only understand emotionally troubled people, but also do something concrete to help yourself, push the button and order this book right now. There are so many powerful and easy-to-use tools provided in this book that it's tough to figure out which ones to mention in this review. They all give concrete answers to the seemingly unanswerable question that always arises whenever you're faced by a troubled personality--what do you do about it? For example, I've always heard that you need to "set firm limits" with people who would overstep your boundaries. But personally, I never really quite understood what the word "limits" actually meant, and I certainly didn't know how to set them. Nothing I ever read on the topic helped much, because what little I found was so vague. But Randi gives example after concrete example of what limit setting actually means in a variety of situations, emphasizing throughout that it's important to understand your own greater sense of what's fair and right for yourself as well as for others. Her chapter on uncovering what keeps you feeling "stuck" provides a terrific explanation of a problem in relationships with people who are troubled. In the chapter on communication, Randi describes precisely how to communicate and actually be heard. And the good news is that it IS possible to get your troubled person to make changes---Randi tells precisely how to do it, even while you are improving your own health and life. If you are dealing with a person who is making your life miserable and who leaves you constantly feeling as if you are walking on eggshells, you need this extraordinary book.
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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2009, 08:50:56 PM »

I sincerely believe this book is literally a masterpiece. For such an INSIDIOUS disorder to be so well understood and mapped out so thoroughly takes immense professionalism and selfless dedication. The methodology of using the web to accumulate a thorough understanding of BPD is unprecedented and of historical significance. Then to be able to structure all that information into a purely objective, usable, quality document is just ... .what? ... .Precious. Precious as life itself because it gives Hope to life for so many - men, women, children and my God, the ever precious Family.

(Side note: I recommend highlighting your BP's behavioral symptoms in yellow and your corrective behaviors/actions in green. This makes it into a good operator's manual.)
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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2009, 08:50:40 AM »

Wow! What a nice review (and I didn't see it for all this time).

What I tried to do in this book is overcome the shortfallings in SWOE that people have remarked on: it's full of info, but hard to takeaway the key "what to do" points.

But there is so much more: in the 10 years since I cowrote SWOE, my thinking evolved from Neanderthal to modern humans (although to be precise, the Neanderthals died out or comingled with modern humans. But that is another discussion).

I am convinced that by working the tools, people have the best chance to make the relationship work because in focusing on the key needs for non-BPs, it concurrently is sensitive to the needs of the BP. And when BPs get their needs met, it's so much easier for them to control their own behavior. It's all win win (unless the BP is abusive and totally resistant to change). Actually, that's a key point: what I found is that it is not necessary to admit their reality is warped by the disorder. What is essential is that they value the relationship enough (and are healthy enough) to take the other person's feelings, needs, and desires into account. What I am struggling with is how do I tell people that the Essential Family Guide (EFG) takes people so much further than SWOE can without putting down my own book--which, by the way, covers many things that EFG does not, like helping protect children, distortion campaigns, and pretty much the last chapters of the book. I am planning on doing a continuing series of teleconferences to TRAIN people--not just inform them. Just like BPs need to learn skills (such as those taught in Dialectical Behavior Therapy) so do family members.

My new web site will also have a training section in addition to all the usual info. I will also be starting a blog to better dialog with non-BPs because it's too hard to reach all 20,000 in various pockets of the net.

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« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2010, 10:52:34 AM »

I have the sneaking suspicion that all the books I've writeen about BPD is really BPD/NPD. I am working on a new book about partners who have both. Randi KregerAuthor, "The Essential Family Guide to Borderline Personality Disorder: New Tools and Techniques to Stop Walking on Eggshells"Available at www.
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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2010, 10:32:45 PM »

You can find the best description of how to set a boundary in my latest book (EFG); I did a workshop here with the techniques.
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« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2010, 11:13:19 AM »

I spend three years pondering that question and wrote the answers in my new book The Essential Family Guide to B... P... D... It has a step by step process of how to plan and what to say. Right now you are communicating, but not really setting boundaries.
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2010, 09:26:35 PM »

I read it last winter and need to read it again. So many new families are posting on the board I wanted to hightlight it for everyone. It has helped me as a parent and grandparent more than the original SWOE book.

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« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2010, 10:13:43 AM »

I am going to check that one out.  I had to go review the SWOE book and workbook that I ordered a few years ago.  It really helped me, recently.  I was not handling things well at all.  I was starting to wonder, if it was me.  The projection really got to me.  I believe that I am back on track with the validating and boundaries. 
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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2010, 11:40:36 AM »

I wanted to share something from this book that has really helped me with it's simplicity in the 1st chapter.

Key Principles

1. To help your family member, you must help yourself first

2. BPD thoughts, feelings and behaviors are not different, just exaggerted

3. You CAN improve your life even if your family member doesn't change

4. It takes only one person to fundamentally change a relationship

These principles are included in so many posts and replies in these boards here at bpdfamily.com. This book does such a good job of offering ideas about how to make this happen, one life at a time.

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« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2010, 03:26:00 PM »

This sounds like a book I need to get my hands on. And while I haven't read it, I'm not so sure I agree with #2... ."BPD thoughts, feelings and behaviors are not different, just exaggerted". My d's thoughts certainly seem to be different at times. It's like there's no rational thought there.
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« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2010, 06:59:33 PM »

misfit - Great quesiton.  i had to stop and think about that one - and read more details about. the author goes on to remind us that "we all let our feelings overcome logic, blow things out of proportion and act impulsively in ways we later regret." BPD this happens so often and to such an extreme it greatly interferes with function in life. There is a chart later in the book that I have seen in other behavior and depression books that lists Cognitive Distortions. Randi Kreger does a comparison of the chart of these distorted behaviors and then lists the extreme way pwBPD exhibits. It really opened my eyes. The one that hits closest to home for me is:

Cognitive Distortion: Feelings equal facts: Emotions color interpretations of people and situations

Cognitive Distortion in BPs: The BP makes jaw-dropping interpretations, assumptions, and inferences that may bear little resemblance to reality.

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Cognitive Distortion: Blame: Holding others totally accountable for negative situations.

Cognitive Distortion in BPs:  The BP not only dismisses contrary supporting facts but also thrashes, mutilates, and pummels them into submission. The BP will not be held accountable for anything.

So I feel a little crazy sometimes, especially if not getting enough sleep, really stressed out my the pwBPD in my life - giving me  PD traits- etc and can certainly have some cognitive distortions in my thinking. But I can take a time out to sleep, meditate, walk in the park, play with my gd - ie. take care of myself, and get over it. My DD, who refuses to accept that any kind of therapy or medication can make her life different, she doesn't even get it that she is living in total distortion to be able to know that changes are needed. It is either projected totally on someone else (usually good ol' mom) or taken in to such a depth and with such speed that nothing but getting totally wasted on whatever pills and alcohol is available and hoping the sun never rises on her is THE ONLY ANSWER IN THAT MOMENT.  Guess this is her self-injury method to handle the intensity of the pain.

I am glad I am reading, studying this book again.

Footnote:  :)D and bf found a room in apt with friend - i paid for the rest of November rent than it is up to them. So eased my pain - got a thanks mom texted to me. GD is happy mom isn't sleeping under the leaky bridge now or sleeping with the bedbugs at the shelter. Not holding my breath, and ready to say no to future requests for more rent.

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« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2010, 07:32:20 PM »

I will no doubt have to read that several times for it to sink in, and for my brain to process it. There are parts that make absolute sense. It's the "overcoming logic" part... I'm not sure my D understands logic anymore. Ok... more to the point... .it's like she doesn't KNOW logic, if that makes sense. I'm having trouble articulating here. If I'm to understand that sentence, we all understand/know what's logical, but b/c or circumstances we can react in a way that isn't logical. And BPDs take this to the "nth" degree. My musings are I'm wondering if she understands logic anymore. It's almost as if things that are (or should be) obvious in a logical sense are just not computing for her. Does that make sense?
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« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2010, 10:18:13 PM »

Hi Misfit - I'm not sure I have this right but it seems from my reading that feelings lead to thinking that leads to action/behavior. So if our feelings overcome our logic - or ability to think - then our actions can easily be impulsive and irrational as seen by others. If we are in a confused state we may be unaware that in that moment we are being irrational in our thinking and actions.  With a BPD it goes way beyond this so that the feelings are totally in control, the logic/thinking part is entirely skipped and they jump immediately into impulsive actions/behaviors that just blow everyone around them away. Yet they have no awareness, or little awareness, of this whole process so do not understand why no one seems to 'get them'. Their belief is that they ARE being logical. My DD often tells me i am being irrational when I think she is acting totally without reasoning.

If I am in a rapid cycling phase of my bipolar disorder or somewhat dissociating then my feelings can temporarily overcome my logic and I make really bad decisions and responses to others around me at that time. Now in my life someone can give me a cue that I am offbase of reality and I can stop and reset. Maybe I forgot my meds. maybe I need to take a break from a stressful situation or just get some extra sleep. Then I can go back and rethink that incident and realize I was a little crazy, feel remorse or whatever, and make amends - clean up my mess. Oh, and I should say I have done some CBT (cognitive behavior therapy) about 15 years ago as part of my recovery with bipolar that led me to hear the cues. I still get in a place of exhaustion or stress and am lost to my internal voice - thankfully my dh has learned to reach me. And the newer meds for bipolar have helped me a lot. Unfortunately true BPD doesn't respond to these mood stabalizing meds in many pwBPD. It is also important to remember that each person is an individual in many respects, so some trial and error is always involved in finding what works best.

My DD never gets the cue - she justs feels insulted, put-down, gets defensive or angry, projects even more onto me. I think DBT therapy, when a pwBPD is ready to accept doing it, can help teach them the skills and tools to hear the cue, or give themselves a cue, and stop the vicious cycle. I just keep praying for DD to get to this place someday.

Does this make any sense to you? I am sue there are many here at bpdfamily.com that could say this more concisely. I get accused of using way too many words!

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« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2010, 10:07:08 PM »

This sounds like a book I need to get my hands on. And while I haven't read it, I'm not so sure I agree with #2... ."BPD thoughts, feelings and behaviors are not different, just exaggerted". My d's thoughts certainly seem to be different at times. It's like there's no rational thought there.

Thank you for letting people know! I worked on this sequel for 3 years and I think it's  a much better book. When I wrote this I had had 10 extra years to think about practical tools.
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« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2010, 09:15:04 AM »

I just received my book, today.  I am looking forward to reading it.  I have a drs. appointment and usually about an hour wait in his office, so I will be reading.  SWOE has been a big help.  And, now, there are even more tools to work with this new book. Doing the right thing (click to insert in post)

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« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2010, 02:35:30 PM »

When trying to explain or come to terms with my dd18BPD behaviors, I have concluded it is not just one or two expressions of abnormal thoughts or dysfunctional behavior.  It is the sum total of many and numerous behaviors over many months and/or years.  Everyone has a bad day now and then.  I think most of us have had occasions when we've behaved in ways we later regret.  A BPD has a bad day, almost everyday, and instead of regretting it, they feel justified.  

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« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2010, 10:15:54 AM »

As for detaching from the emotions, I had a BPD mother and NPD father, and I spent most of my childhood detaching and dissociating and at 50 years old it is a pattern I still do. It helped me survive as a kid, but it is not a long-term strategy, and I don't think anyone here would suggest that you use it. Soldiers can detach from their emotions, but when they get back home they will deal with them or go crazy. People stay by using a number of techniques that may work in the short run, but whether they work in the long run, in my opinion, is still debatable. Here is the test: think about what you want to experience before you die. You only have so many years. What do you want for yourself? Will you still be able to have it or experience it?  In the long time, will you be proud of yourself for sticking it out, or will you realize you have sacrificed things you really wanted?Often, our values conflict: there are many good reasons to stay and many good ones to leave. I think the key is that to survive long term the key is balance. Without balance, we fall or get physical illness from the stress of holding up one end without anything to balance it. Your coping techniques may give you that balance, or may not. Only you know.
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« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2010, 08:31:54 AM »

I have in the Essential Family Guide to help people conceptualize the pain of a BP. Here it is:See the World through BPD-Colored GlassesThis empathy exercise will take two months to complete. You will need to buy a thick blank journal or lined notebook. IMPORTANT: Begin this exercise only after you have read it in its entirety.Week one: Sit down with your notebook and recall every time you ever felt publicly humiliated or ashamed, starting with grade school. For now, hold off on recording incidents having anything to do with your family. Week two: Go over your life, from as early as you can remember. Think about times when each member of your family did or said something that caused you a great deal of pain. Then conjure up all those feelings you had at that time. Next, do the same thing for all your love relationships. Week three: Take note of the times you felt enraged at someone. Did you ever feel like throwing something at the wall—or even at the person—during a major free-for-all? Week four: Repeat as before, focusing on the following issues: Did you ever feel like you wanted to die—really die? Are there any areas of your life you can’t control, like eating or drinking too much? Make a list of all the things you hate about yourself. Week five: Think of all of the times you’ve hurt others. Did you ever break a promise to a child or give an unfair punishment? Week six: Go though your notebook. In each instance, no matter how absurd it seems, find someone or something else to blame for each incidence, as a higher-functioning invisible BP might do. Chant to yourself, “It wasn’t my fault. It was her fault (his fault).” Feel the relief that acts as a blessed sunburn balm that takes away the pain on your emotional skin. Go back through each week casting blame and criticism. For example, for the previous week blame the other person for making you hurt him. Do the same type of thing for week two. When you’re done, reward yourself to compensate for having had to deal with such crazy people. Week seven: Now do what some lower-functioning conventional BPs do: blame yourself for every painful incident. If your parent forgot your birthday, believe it was because you did something bad or were so worthless that you didn’t deserve to have your birthday remembered. Week eight: Now it’s time for the most complex assignment yet: spend a few hours with your notebook and put all of your notes equally at the top of your mind—even the ones that contradict each other, such as blame yourself and blame everyone else (in fact, especially those). You may find that you can think of little else, making it hard to function. Feel free to cry liberally. Interpreting the Exercise Now that you’re prepared to run out and buy your blank journal, don’t. Hopefully, just reading the exercise has given you insight into what it is like to have BPD. Imagine living with this emotional turmoil 24/7 and put yourself in the following situations. How would you react?•   You’re at work and your boss criticizes something about your job performance.•   Your daughter says she hates you.•   You miss the bus and it’s raining.•   You interview for a job and they picked somebody else.•   Someone you’re interested in says he or she “just wants to be friends.” Just facing the daily challenges of life and maintaining self-esteem and good humor can be difficult for anyone, let alone someone with BPD. Individuals with BPD often feel—for the lack of a better word—wounded. When they believe they’ve been deliberately hurt, part of their pain is from wondering why someone who is supposed to love them would want to hurt them. When you swoop in to rescue them—for example, with the intense “love-at first-sight” Romeo and Juliet type of heroic and undying love, they see a chance (unconsciously so) to escape from their horrifying mental prison. No wonder they fall in love so far so fast and cling to it with all they have.
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« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2011, 11:35:52 PM »

I've read WHINE & the EFG. I find the EFG much better, as it not only covers the concepts like validation to help the BP feel better, it also discusses things like rescuing and boundaries to help the non-BP feel better. Randi seems to understand how nons can feel, and how the non can't help the BP until the non is feeling OK.

The EFG says you should not accept abuse from the BP, and discusses things the non can do to stop opening themselves up to abuse (or possibly enabling the abuse).

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I have two series and about 15 blog posts so far on the similarities and differences between BPD and NPD, with comments from spouses, people with NPD, experts, and so on. You can find them at

www.psychologytoday.com/blog/stop-walking-eggshells


What I feel are some highlights:

www.psychologytoday.com/blog/stop-walking-eggshells/201201/lack-empathy-the-most-telling-narcissistic-trait

www.psychologytoday.com/blog/stop-walking-eggshells/201110/what-borderlines-and-narcissists-fear-most-part

www.psychologytoday.com/blog/stop-walking-eggshells/201111/youre-so-vain-narcissistic-grandiosity-and-what-it-means-you

www.psychologytoday.com/blog/stop-walking-eggshells/201111/behind-the-facade-the-false-self-the-narcissist

www.psychologytoday.com/blog/stop-walking-eggshells/201110/what-have-you-done-me-lately-entitlement-key-narcissistic-trait

www.psychologytoday.com/blog/stop-walking-eggshells/201202/problems-emotional-intimacy-typical-borderliners-and-narcissists

The books that I find myself using the most about NPD are these two scientific/medical ones:

www.amazon.com/Object-My-Affection-Reflection-Narcissists/dp/075730768X/ref=sr_1_9?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1328757937&sr=1-9

www.amazon.com/Enough-About-You-Lets-Talk/dp/0787980633/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1328758065&sr=1-2


This one is more like SWOE:

www.amazon.com/Help-Love-Narcissist-Steven-Carter/dp/1590770773/ref=sr_1_12?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1328758156&sr=1-12
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« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2013, 01:18:33 PM »

I want to be clear--I am looking for people who feel stuck in one way or the other.
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« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2013, 12:24:45 PM »

A blog about someone discovering his mom has BPD. Sign up to subscribe to be notified of when part 2 is up.www.psychologytoday.com/blog/stop-walking-eggshells/201303/i-just-learned-my-mom-has-borderline-personality-disorderRandi Kreger
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« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2013, 01:13:20 PM »

Just before I figured out my uBPDmom (due to hints she was dropping), she told me about a message from her estranged sister (my aunt) left on her answering machine. uBPDmom looked kind of freaked out. I asked her to play it for me.

Aunt's message (paraphrased): I think its time you told everyone about the BIG family secret.

uBPDmom looked very odd while we listening to the message. She seemed nervous.

I think my aunt has known for a long time, maybe since they were kids, about uBPDmom's mental health issues.
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« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2013, 02:28:04 PM »

Thanks for posting the link, Randi!

That guy's story really resonated with me, especially where he says that after reading some of the literature on BPD, a lot of painful childhood memories started coming up.

That's where I was at a year ago when I first found out about BPD: getting horrible, uncontrollable flashbacks and not knowing how to deal with them. But, thanks to all the great people on this website and my amazing partner and close friends, I got through those difficult stages and I now feel I understand things and can cope so much better with my uBPD mum.

Thanks and   to everyone here!

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« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2013, 10:39:42 PM »

Thanks so much for this Randi. I posted a reply on the blog and sent you an email.

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One thing that has really struck me was when she used the example that pwBPD have a sort of hearing dyslexia.  Similar to those with dyslexia who don't see letters in the right order, those with BPD don't "hear" words/messages correctly.  

This makes so much sense.  

I've been hitting my head against the wall wondering why I kept getting asked the same questions or I kept getting the same accusations even after I had shown/explained the truth.  

Several times, H has asked (in anger) where a certain item is.  I repeatedly tell him that it's in storage, yet another month will go by and he'll ask again (while accusing me of refusing to tell him where it is.)  For a LONG time, I thought my H had early-onset Alzheimers because of these repetitive questions.  
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« Reply #31 on: June 16, 2013, 05:13:27 PM »

What tools does the book suggest to use?
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« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2013, 06:41:56 PM »

shamrock, radical acceptance is crucial - I agree. Can you help us understand how this may assist in this instance?
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« Reply #33 on: June 16, 2013, 06:56:31 PM »

You must accept that things are not as they should or could be. This does not mean that you agree with what you are accepting but using this inormation as a start to work from.

You cannot fix what you do not accept is broken
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« Reply #34 on: June 16, 2013, 07:18:46 PM »

Thank you Shamrock.

I agree - its accepting what is apparent and accepting we cannot change it. We can however change our perception and reaction to it - we have the control over us - we cannot change another.

Attempting to change another will only lead to resentment, rumination, unhealthy venting and undecidedness.

Agreed our relationships have limitations - we either accept who our partners are OR move on from the relationship. A relationship cannot heal if the 'healthy' one in the relationship chooses not to accept.
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« Reply #35 on: June 16, 2013, 07:37:10 PM »

Her book has reiterated the need to avoid circular arguments. 

I know to use SET based on this site, but reading about pwBPD essentially having "hearing dyslexia" (or aural dyslexia), it just made everything more clear. 

I can't tell you how many times I've had to repeat the same answers to the same questions. 

However, I do think that sometimes a 3rd party can "break thru" one of these circular arguments and this "aural dyslexia" doesn't occur in those instances.   so, in my opinion, this problem is a selective one.  When dealing with particular people (spouse), this hearing dyslexia seems to be much more of a problem.

For instance, last year, H was out of town and was not expected to return for a few more weeks.  I had forgotten that he had lost his house key.  I had to leave town as well for a few days, so I locked the house up before I left (a normal thing to do).   H returned home (VERY unexpectantly) and couldn't get into the house.  His brother was with him.  H called me up and raged and raged and raged that I had somehow done this "on purpose."  I kept stupidly repeating that I had no idea that he'd be coming home early, and I had forgotten that he had lost his house keys (frankly, that was his responsibility to take care of).   The raging went on and on and even included some accusations that our recently dead dog died because of me.  At some point, his brother overheard the raging, realized what H was raging about, and ordered H to get off the phone.  After H got off the phone, his brother explained to him that I had done a reasonable thing... . lock up the house when leaving for a few days.  His brother also reprimanded H for his ridiculous yelling.  (H told me about this later).  They ended up at a hotel that night and H said he cried himself to sleep.  The next morning he texted me and apologized (a rare thing).

His brother hadn't said anything that I hadn't already said.  But, when I said those same words, it wasn't penetrating H's brain at all.  Yet, when his brother said them, not only did the words get thru, but H felt great shame about what he had done. 

This has made me more aware of the need to avoid circular arguments. 

I don't know what I represent to my H, but it surely must be something that I don't understand.
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« Reply #36 on: June 17, 2013, 02:42:03 AM »

Yes you are right - circular arguments are invalidating for you both.

Your H's

- reality can be distorted

- recall of events is different to yours

- processing of events is different to yours

Your H is different to you - this is the level of acceptance we need to get to. Once we acknowledge the differences we either embrace it using the tools we have or make the decision that we cannot work with it and find ways to detach.

I encourage you sadwife to move towards some level of acceptance around BPD and your H - and begin to problem solve.
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« Reply #37 on: June 17, 2013, 09:06:59 AM »

The more I understand BPD, the more I can accept it.  I don't do well with mystery.  I need the "aha".
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« Reply #38 on: June 17, 2013, 09:13:44 AM »

Yes you are right - circular arguments are invalidating for you both.

Your H's

- reality can be distorted

- recall of events is different to yours

- processing of events is different to yours


Your H is different to you - this is the level of acceptance we need to get to.

WHY is their recall of events so different?  (even events that "just happened"? )   

The event that caused our separation was a physical altercation between my son and my H.  My H instigated the fight, my H got physical first, yet he insists that our son started the fight.  I refuse to LIE and agree with H, which is what he's demanding.  I'm not going to throw our son under the bus because if I did, H would FOREVER keep bringing it up that our son CAUSED the fight and that I agreed with H.  That's not happening.
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« Reply #39 on: October 27, 2014, 08:15:50 PM »

I am having an emergency in that the two editors I work with who have had PD spouses are not available.

I would like to see if there is a full time professional editor or writer here with at least five years of experience somewhere on here.

I know you don't like cross posting though, and I can't just pick one thread.

Can you help me at all; it's very important. I can write something up. Thanks.
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« Reply #40 on: December 05, 2014, 11:07:19 AM »

I have probably read a dozen books on BPD so far, but have not yet gotten to Stop Walking on Eggshells.  However, in support group last night the facilitator highly recommended her newest book, "The Essential Family Guide to Borderline Personality Disorder."  I downloaded it to my Kindle as soon as I got out of the meeting. (I don't keep any hard copies of BPD related books around.)

I just got started but it seems like it's going to be a good one.  Has anybody else read it?  What are your thoughts so far?

I'm a fast and voracious reader, but I can only read about BPD in small chunks (including on this site).  Otherwise I find myself spending all my thoughts thinking and strategizing about how to deal with my uBPDw.  I'll be d#$%^ed if she's going to monopolize my thoughts when she's not even here.  Smiling (click to insert in post)
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« Reply #41 on: December 05, 2014, 12:01:12 PM »

I haven't read that one. Does it have some sections on how to help your children deal with BPD mom?

My S3 was saying ":)arth Mom" yesterday instead of ":)arth Maul". Not sure if it was typical 3 year old playing with sounds or a brilliant leap of his sub-conscious to identify with the archetypes present in our house.  Smiling (click to insert in post)

PS - BPD mom was grumbling at the kids for playing with their Legos for 2 hours when I got home. The horror! Little kids actually amusing themselves with their toys - the delinquents!
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« Reply #42 on: December 19, 2014, 11:28:23 AM »

Hi there. I was looking through a list of the recommended books, and I see someone wrote this about my latest book

The Essential Family Guide to B... .P... D... .This book is for family members of a person with borderline personality disorder (BPD). If you are only going to have one book, or if you are purchasing your first book, this would be our recommendation. Ms Kreger discusses five tools to make home life more manageable for family members and more constructive for the person affected with BPD.This is a follow up to the popular "self-help book" for families - Stop Walking on Eggshells. While Stop Walking on Eggshells is probably the most often recommended book by therapists, both the author and the state-of-the-art advanced significantly in the 10 years between the books and is, frankly, a better book.

Thank you for the review! The thing is, however, it is only recommended for siblings and parents. I am not sure why since the five tools will help everyone. adult children, partners, inlaws, grandparents, etc. As you can imagine, I spend three years of my life toiling and updating all the info in SWOE, and EFH has 15 pages of footnotes.

It is much more updated than SWOE since I wrote it a decade later and has learned a whole lot between the two books. I would be forever grateful if it could be listed as helping everyone rather than just being recommended to siblings and parents (it has no special info for those two groups) especially since it says "If you're going to have one book this should be it."

By the way, of all the books listed there, there is only ONE listed for partners (High Conflict Couple) although this group has the most number of people in it. Also HCC author Alan Fruzetti says at the outset of the book that it is directed to instances in which BOTH partners are working together on the problem--which it seldom is.

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« Reply #43 on: April 05, 2015, 03:05:15 AM »

Hi. I am asking for a change on the site for recommended books. SWOE is listed for people with a BPD parents. However, there is an entire chapter on what to do if you have a BPD child. Also, everything in there could apply to partners as well.

Could you either recommend it for everyone or let me know why you listed it as you did?

For the Essential Family Guide,  https://bpdfamily.com/content/book-reviews, I see it is still recommended just for partners.

Since your review says it's for everyone, could you modify that and say it's for all family members? 

Me new book, SWOE for Partners will be just for partners.

Thanks!
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« Reply #44 on: May 02, 2015, 02:58:51 PM »

Please don't delete this request again.

Please keep it up until you answer it.

On April 5 I asked:  

... .Hi. I am asking for a change on the site for recommended books. SWOE is listed for people with a BPD parents. However, there is an entire chapter on what to do if you have a BPD child. Also, everything in there could apply to partners as well.

Could you either recommend it for everyone or let me know why you listed it as you did?

For the Essential Family Guide,  https://bpdfamily.com/content/book-reviews, I see it is still recommended just for partners.

Since your review says it's for everyone, could you modify that and say it's for all family members?  

Me new book, SWOE for Partners will be just for partners.

Thanks!
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« Reply #45 on: May 19, 2015, 10:10:52 PM »

I only gave a mark of good as the book is more valid for people in a relationship. That said there is a lot you can  learn from it about your exs behaviour and your role in it. I have shown this to my uBPD exw when discussing my exgf and she seemed to have a lightbulb moment when reading the dsm.I havr also leant it to my exmil and a friend who thinks her mum has BPD. They have all thought it interesting and useful.I would recomend it to anyone dealing with someone with BPD.

I have a new book out called The Essential Guide to ... .P... .D... .you gave it a very good rating. Could you start a thread here about it?

Here are the first few reviews on amazon:

A Must Read for family, friends, clinicians and judges By  T. CRAWFORD   on November 25, 2008Format: Paperback Very few books can actually change your life. Randi Kreger has written two. "Stop Walking on Eggshells" (SWOE) changed my life and the lives of many others. "The Essential Family Guide" now offers the tools to family members and professionals to help deal with BPD with great efficiency and effectiveness."The Essential Family Guide" hits the nail directly on the head and drives it home. Where SWOE left off, the Family Guide picks up. It is critical reading for everyone - including counselors, psychologists, and legal professionals - living with or dealing with someone with Borderline Personality Disorder (a "BPD".After reading through the first few chapters, I realized that "The Essential Family Guide" is the next step in my own recovery in dealing with my BPD ex-spouse and in caring for my children exposed to this disorder. If you are coping with a BPD - personally or professionally - you must read the Essential Family Guide.I think of and hear from others out there dealing with the craziness of a BPD in their lives and searching for understanding. If I can convince one person to read The Family Guide and get the benefit that I have received from Randi's books, then I will have done a good thing. 3 Comments    Was this review helpful to you?  Yes No     90 of 96 people found the following review helpful



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By  Barbara A. Oakley   on December 8, 2008Format: Paperback Verified Purchase  I thought nothing could ever top the first book Randi Kreger co-wrote ("Stop Walking on Eggshells" but her newest book does it---I wish I could give ten stars instead of five. This seemingly simple book is one of the top five most useful books I've ever read in my life---I've already reread it twice, and will be reading it again in the years to come to help keep me in the right mental place. If you want to not only understand emotionally troubled people, but also do something concrete to help yourself, push the button and order this book right now.There are so many powerful and easy-to-use tools provided in this book that it's tough to figure out which ones to mention in this review. They all give concrete answers to the seemingly unanswerable question that always arises whenever you're faced by a troubled personality--what do you do about it?For example, I've always heard that you need to "set firm limits" with people who would overstep your boundaries. But personally, I never really quite understood what the word "limits" actually meant, and I certainly didn't know how to set them. Nothing I ever read on the topic helped much, because what little I found was so vague.But Randi gives example after concrete example of what limit setting actually means in a variety of situations, emphasizing throughout that it's important to understand your own greater sense of what's fair and right for yourself as well as for others. Her chapter on uncovering what keeps you feeling "stuck" provides a terrific explanation of a problem in relationships with people who are troubled. In the chapter on communication, Randi describes precisely how to communicate and actually be heard.Read more ›
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« Reply #46 on: May 21, 2015, 10:47:07 AM »

The Wikipedia page says:In 2007, R. Skip Johnson, a former member of the discussion group, acquired the 3,200 member database from the book author, Randi Kreger, and merged it with the content website "bpdfamily.com". ... .

The coauthor of SWOE, Paul Mason, was never involved with BPDcentral or the Nook. In fact, he didn't know the Nook existed. Also, the Nook was not a standalone message board.

Please correct it to say the Nook was on BPDcentral.com, which is a site belonging to Stop Walking on Eggshells coauthor and owner of BPD Central Randi Kreger.

Thanks.

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« Reply #47 on: May 31, 2015, 01:59:05 AM »

Hi all.

I hope this is an appropriate place to ask this question. If not, please tell me.I have been asked to put some webinars together--one free one outlining the course and the rest paid for (90 minutes to 120 minutes).

The first one outlining the course would be free.There would be 5 others training people how to use the tools. They would be for everyone (parents, sibling, partners, etc.)

These really need to be done in order. That's what I explain in Essential family Guide. Not just info but training and faq.NPD vs BPD.

Step 1 What to do and not do when  you find out. First steps to take. Going through grief and acceptance. Putting together a plan that helps you decide what decision to make and how to make them. Take stock on the prices you have paid.

2. Going through what makes you stuck. Special exercises to help you set some goals and figure out what you want. Explore best case and worst case scenarios.

3. Communication; all about it.

4. Setting consequences, putting together plan hoe to do it, what to do if you let them go. What to say and do when hcp breaks them

5. Closing thoughts and putting it all together. Resources. Book and such. Online and in person support groups.

Naturally this costs money. The guy I am working with suggests about $260. A lot for what you get and no travel.

These would be repeated so you can take them when you want.

I don't see just buying one because the point is that they build on each other.

Would you be interested in such a thing? Is $260 or so too much?

Please let me know.
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« Reply #48 on: July 16, 2015, 08:28:17 PM »

My post was posted as an "Essential Read" by Psychology Today! It has a lot to do with jealousy.

Essential Posts are extremely hard to get, especially for a specialized topic like BPD. I am proud to say that after 4 years, I have 6 million hits, which probably makes me the second or third most-seen PT blogger out of a few hundred. There are some posts that get featured in someplace big, but those are outliers.

I have a ton of posts on other topics having to do with BPD and NPD.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/stop-walking-eggshells/201507/sex-and-the-single-borderline-woman
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