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« on: June 02, 2012, 12:45:12 AM »

(for those of you not following my story , I have been on a hell bent quest to get some sort of closure and confront her .. So I can move on .. here is the best closure that she will give me.   She has not reached out to me since 2/7/12 .. I however have broken NC a few times since )

Well it was resumed for the last 4 days.  And now the music must end so doth dance.

I was out of work for 2 days last week. How coincidental that she emails me on Tuesday.

The email read: "Hey."

My heart nearly fell to the floor.
 I replied : hey you  what up.
xBPD: are you ok?  

Now mind you it just happened to be 4 mos to the day that we had broken up.  Errr she broke up with me.  I started to cry at my desk. Dear god, why does this woman have so much power over me ?  Why can't I get my crap together and move on ? What in the (&^&^(&&V.

me: Lets say that i have not been 'right' in quite awhile.
x: good/ bad ?

me: Ok.. it's like this...I would like to speak to you in person. Not phone, not text and not email. Would you consider this ?
If so... Pick a place and time. And I'll be there on time. Promise.  

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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2012, 01:09:40 AM »

34, I've been reading and following your posts and I felt some of your pain. Sorry you and all of us have to go through this when we gave so much.

Im glad you broke NC with her. Your story made my jaw drop at how similar it is to mine. I experienced the same thing and the way your ex talks and checks in is too similar. Some lines she used are creepily identical. I'm glad you broke NC because after going through the pain and using that to research and read you gained knowledge. With that, you needed a second look at what you thought was/is in your head. You wanted another chance to see for yourself. This was my exact story. Breaking NC with my new knowledge helped me see her for who she is.

This is a great step for you and I'm happy to read this  Doing the right thing
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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2012, 01:35:07 AM »

Thanks Squid. YES ! I needed answers. I needed to stand up to her. She won't walk over me anymore.

This last .. whatever the hell it was.. may have given me the push over that wall.  Over to letting go.  I know that I have issues within myself that attracted her to me and I to she.  I am really trying to understand she perceives the world differently . That her parents were a-holes.  

But as another member posted...  they know right from wrong and they CHOSE wrong. Just as i (and the truth hurts in this case) choose to hold on to her and mentally live in her life.

I feel that she was making veiled attempts my rub nose in her new life. When really she needs to validate herself and that this is how she copes.

(Schwing if you are reading this you are a God)

I miss her.. but I don't miss the disorder.  She has so many layers to her onion. Good luck to my replacement.

 
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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2012, 01:37:30 AM »

Ever get to the real truth of why she emailed.you got what you wanted and so did she nothing in person,was she making a rengae attempt or puttin out a feeler
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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2012, 01:52:46 AM »

No,  I did not get to the real truth.

I suspect it was a tit for tat kinda deal. What I mean by that is : We work for the same company albeit in two different buildings.  So office gossip being what it is .. we can never really escape each other because coworkers love the drama. And I have to politely say... I am not interested in her life. Talk amongst yourselves. I digress... anyway, i got word that she frantically left work 3 weeks ago because one of her friends committed suicide. I recv'd this info form a manager. So I had to be cool about how I would reach out to her.  I ultimately ended up texting her : Hope ur ok.   We exchanged a few emails here and there. Then poof done . 28 days later :  (prior to the suicide news .. i last reached out her 
3/7/12)
 
So I am sure she heard that I had called off work and I had emailed my boss who has looser lips than mr potato head. and an ex-mutual friend of ours probably told her.  Which I suspect... because said mutual friend has not spoken to me in 1 month .. happens to talk me up at my cubicle today. Hmmmmm... another coincidence. In any instance ...

I really felt like a) she wanted to provoke a reaction and B) let me know how great her life is under the veil of caring..  yeah , ok.  

No feelers ... she lovesssssssss her new man.  As for an engage attempt ... well it def was that.
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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2012, 02:15:05 AM »


I feel that she was making veiled attempts my rub nose in her new life. When really she needs to validate herself and that this is how she copes.

(Schwing if you are reading this you are a God)

I miss her.. but I don't miss the disorder.  She has so many layers to her onion. Good luck to my replacement.  

Aside the fact, that your conversation with your ex sound in a creepy way so familiar to me its complete understandable for me that you do miss her. You can be sure, that this first email from her came out of a emotion she felt at the present moment, and she felt uncomfortable with this emotion. Triangulation (read definition), she brings up her current host. Complete typical BPD behavior.

Its complete right also that she needed validation, that is what BPDS need on a constant basis, and it doesn't matter who it is. They lack a constant self, are not able to define a own personalty for themself and need other persons to give them a kind of own shape. You sound like a caring person, so  in her disturbed perception of reality its for her complete normal to contact you.

I think complete closure, you can find only in yourself. And this is why its so hard to move on after this kind of toxic, extreme intense relationships.

I think also for you its important, that all that crap she said about you, is not meant personally, but oh boy I know how that can hurt. Specially after we had to shower them with compliments, to have at least some good moments and somehow a part normal relationship. Notice? Validations, its all about them, it was, it is, and it always will be as long you are willing to keep contact with her.
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« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2012, 02:29:31 AM »

Hey 34,

I write this to you because we both started posting here around the same time.  And I've read every one of your posts...read about how she's behaved before, the emotional rollercoaster you've been on since she skipped out, the depression, the sadness, the anger, the compassion for her, the previous letter, the bargaining, the "car". 

Please reread your conversation with her.  After I read this, all I could think of was I literally just read every hallmark of BPD in hypertime.   


The email read: "Hey."

Taking your attachment temperature.  And overly familiar considering the circumstances.  Contradictory to the reality...this speaks volumes about someone's behavior and their interpretation of appropriate.

My heart nearly fell to the floor.

I bet.

I replied : hey you  what up.
Cordial but damn if you didn't give her the green light with the familiarity.  The door was cracked and now she's in the house.

xBPD: are you ok? 

Please seriously consider this...if she was concerned about you why did it take 4 months to check?  This is not an are you okay...this is Are you okay with me?  And I'm in need of attention, something is not going right in my new situation.  Things are starting to crack in the fantasy.

me: Lets say that i have not been 'right' in quite awhile.
Honest.  Good.

x: good/ bad ?

Rhetorical question and denial.  She's knows you were not okay.  But "playing stupid" is very inconsiderate.  Shows a complete lack of empathy or personal accountability.

me: Ok.. it's like this...I would like to speak to you in person. Not phone, not text and not email. Would you consider this ?
If so... Pick a place and time. And I'll be there on time. Promise.

See here you're asking her to face herself.  This part of her impulsive need to assuage her emotions wasn't considered when she initiated this tete-a-tete. 

x:Hmmmm…..im going to lunch w/B. up the street today at 12:30?

Clever.  Let me politely drop in my "boyfriend".  You didn't need all this info, this is over-sharing.  It seems she's trying to rationalize the appropriateness of her contacting you by being transparent and she's flaunting her relationship.     

me: How did I know you were going to say that...   lol. I just came in at 12pm and I get off at 7pm ... can we meet for like a 1/2 hr or so after 7 ?

You can't imagine the gratification a person with severe self-image and esteem issues gets when another person wants their attention. 

x:Dude…i cant id feel to shady.  J. would be a little weird about this, just as I would be if he met his Ex…

Not shady enough to not call.  So where's the line in shady here.  Is it texting, is it email, is it phone calls?  This has absolutely nothing to do with how she may feel she's compromising her integrity in regards to her current relationship or she would not have called at all to discuss past relationship issues with you.

me: Understandable. If you can make it work ,sometime,  let me know.

I was so hoping as I was reading this that the conversation ended here...for your sake.

x:Well I don’t see how its possible. I promise if you email me I wont show any1….

She's manipulating and she makes promises?  Another contradiction. 

I am uncomfortable at this point.
 

I would be too...seriously.  Really uncomfortable, but in your search for closure from the person who hurt you, you ignored your feelings. cry

me: I need closure.

x: I thought we did. Why now.
Her response here is well I can't say shocking because I don't think I'm ever really surprised anymore...but it's amazing how this got twisted around.  Why Now? Hello, she called you. 

Yet in her inability to accept the unacceptable feelings she has she projected it onto you.  Now you're responsible.  Not her, she is now innocent.

me: you perhaps, I was still in shock and awe there was a lot of emotion from myself back and forth back and forth
 and considering yesterday 4 mos your timing is quite a 'coincidence'

x: You can call me if you want

me: I can around 730

This is I want you to call me.  But again I'm putting it on you.

x: ok deal. J. is ok with it.

Don't count on this. 

Why are we not talking in person ?

x: because I am uncomfortable. 

me: why did you email me this morning ?

x: i wanted to see if you were ok ?

me: why wouldnt I be ok :

x: silence.

x: are you still hurt ?

me: uhhhh... yeah.  You will never know.  I didn't deserve that... what you did to me. The last 2 weeks. It was rotten despicable. I loved you.  You have a very distorted view of love. Your love comes and goes...

x: please  34 , don't do this.

I'm guessing her original impulse to call you was about her.  When you weren't ecstatic to hear from her and shared honest feelings, she began the process of splitting you again.  When she said don't do this...she means don't make me face myself and my behavior.  I only want your attention, your love, your admiration...because you are an object not a person.  You are not supposed to have feelings or display anything other than what I want.


She tells me she moved in with J.  She tells me she fell in love with him and couldnt help it. 

me:  when did you start to check out on me ?
(A week before break up we were bowling on Sat night)

x:  Well when J. came up to our lane .. I stepped up to him and I asked " Would you 'f' me " J. said No.. but I would date you. " And i started to fall for him.

Please know her last statement is something no emotionally healthy person fit for a long term relationship would do.  The fact that all it took was a little bit of a challenge for her feelings to change in ten seconds flat is incredibly disordered.

me: do you miss me ?

I feel for you 34.  She doesn't have the depth of emotion to feel the same as other people.

x: Now ? well I miss your devilish humor ...I miss the good times... I miss...  ( she goes silent)

x: I do think of you... but don't overanylyze that 34.

me: I won't .. I want to feel that I was someone of value that improved your life... I felt used , like our r/s was fraudulent

x: you know how much I felt about you .. I madly all over you  ( wow so your love is cheap ?) and you met my parents and met my kid and we went to xmas park w/ lights.  We came into each others lives at the right times for what we both needed.  ( huh ?)

me: you lived with your parents ! I had to meet everyone and your daughter  because they would not sit her.

on and on with her trying to manipulate or gaslight me by her rewriting history. She is batchit. 

x: I am not a mean person

me: *silence*

x: well whatever you can think whatever you want.

some more bs ...

x: I didn't cheat ... physically

me: emotional cheating is cheating. don't insult me.

x: you're right

x: I don't want o be rude but I am cutting into J. time .  I want to be healthy and go rock climbing and see the world... and when I am healthy I am going to have a baby.

me: (what the f... my head is spinning ) I know you'll get there one day.

All is not well in her new relationship.  Enough said.


x: so are we cool now.. cause I don't want to be .. weird.. I want to be cordial with you.

me: yeah we are a little cooler than where we were at the top of the phone call. 

x: ok .. well.

me: yeah .. ok gotta go see you later,

x: see ya.

Wow...just wow.  As fast as it comes in, it goes out. 

So ... I was a mess for 2 days. Not only did I not get confront her in person ...she got me to respond by text , email and phone.   grrrrrrrrrr

I wanted to write a final closure email so i emailed her at work yesterday .

me: is your home e-mail stilll   "___"

x: yup.

X: Im not sure why you’re asking…you could be sending me coupons or suggesting a book or something BUT I am hoping you’re not doing anything further than that and picking at healing scabs…

Her... she has healing scabs ?   Always. About. Them. Isn't it.   banging my head against a wall .   She almost crushed me with her BS.

So after much deliberation  I write her  my last email ever. (99.9% sure)

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title: a note, a good book and some coupons.

 A good book (your nook should read .pdf's)   and  a good site for coupon codes ------------>   http://www. .com/   

 enjoy.

(The book is called the Lucifer Principle  1st chapter  is titled:  Love that is disguised as evil . I can't make this stuff up. )

 
ps:  I started to write more but as I kept writing... we are just going to view our prior r/s in opposing ways. 
Also it was a good that we spoke. Although, I didn't agree with some of your statements,  I def. agree with keeping cordial.

peace.

I hope this is 100% the last email because of what you say below.

But i am determined now. i am determined to get over this. over her. I will always recognize that there will be some love, some caring from within me towards her.  But IT must end.

She will continue to hold me powerless and broken.  I can't let her. 

Please  dear lord .. bring the detachment soon. I sense that it is around the corner... I can taste it.

She only holds as much power over her as you let her.  This is why no contact is important to healing.  Every bit of contact keeps that pain and emotional trauma cycling.  We do it for us because it helps to break the pattern.

34 please put yourself first.  She seems to be very bad for you.  Detachment leads to freedom (it's not a passive thing and it means making some hard choices).   

What are you going to do now?

Take Care,
GM

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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2012, 09:14:55 AM »

Hey 34---
Thanks for your post--it's a lesson for us all. NC is the only way to get through all this crap. When I think about any future contact with my ex, the conversation would undoubtedly go the way yours did and would set me back,too. I've come too far to risk that. NC is a must--at least for me.
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« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2012, 12:03:26 AM »

ty darkstar and thank you surrender.

Mango. I continue to mourn the loss.

What a journey for us, eh ?  

 AND I APPRECIATE THE ANALYSIS.   Empathy

 Just a couple of things.  J is the boyfriend and B is my ex-mutual friend who works in my unit  rolleyes.  She did not call me.  She emailed me. The sequence was   work email, text, phone call, work email, personal email.  Lunch up the street was with B and not J. She mentioned numerous times that she is deeply in love with her bf and she moved in with him.  She feels they are a better match. She kept harping on my weight.

I left that out inadvertently in the original post.  Do these still change your thoughts  that there is something wrong in their relationship ? It just feels as if she is rubbing my face in it. The manipulation I have been apart of has been unlike no other.

If something is wrong in their relationship and she told me all of these wonderful things why email me to begin with.

Yes... I did open the door to the house because I wanted to get f2f closure.

As for what I am going to do now ? Going to try and get my life back. Don't get me wrong... the rearview mirror is not reflecting the distance in where I should be...the danger of how she made me feel in the good times has not been forgotten about. And I must really really mind my motives in all of this.

I was a  wedding & wedding reception  and the overwhelming hurt resurfaced. The alcohol also managed to provide for an emotional lubricant.  I sat in the bathroom stall for 1 hr crying. Yes I was reallyyyyyyyyy drunk. But surprised at the level of hurt I must have felt at the beginning of the week. I was releasing it I am sure.   Some of the people I was with ... work with her and I. They all said that there are a lot of folks upset at what she did to me. So it makes me wonder if she projects her anger onto me

So again.. I am confused as to what stage i am in. I mean .. I feel the distance of Jan ... but I continue to still mange to let her rent space in my head. The difference now is trying to attach the bad and diminish the good.

I guess a tool I will need to use if to be re-gaged is to remember all of your points. It's all about her and I don't serve any other purpose.

What is your take on the email response :

me: is your home e-mail stilll   "___"

x: yup.

X: Im not sure why you_
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« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2012, 12:30:24 AM »

She initiated the contact.  And it continued VIA phone when you called her.  But she still dropped in outta thin air.  I don't think who the lunch date was matters.  It doesn't detract from the meat of this.encounter.

I don't believe her relationship is as peaches and cream as it is made out to you.  As fast as she could have an emotional affair on you with him and leave she can do the same to him.  Except that she's putting out feelers your way.


What these feelers actually account for ie sex, emotional support, etc I don't know.  Her contact no matter how small is pretty hurtful for you.  


She doesn't understand how ludicrous half the things she said in your conversation were.  Chaotic and disordered, but totally normal for her.

You back to NC again?

GM

PS no one so in love does what's she is doing right now...period.  And I get you opened the door for closure and this would be the right move with a healthy person.  She wasn't there for.closure.
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« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2012, 01:46:47 AM »

it just never ceases to amaze me how they jump in and out of so-called love so quickly.  it will never last.  that type of love never does.  its superficial.  it won't last.  

she's seeing if she still has you on the hook.  just in case her fantasy crashes (and it will) she'll have you, mr. always there for her, to fall back on.  then she'll do it to you again.
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« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2012, 12:48:21 PM »

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I have been on a hell bent quest to get some sort of closure and confront her .

Dude, you seriously need to stop this, otherwise she's going to get a restraining order slapped on you. She hasn't contacted you for 4 months, so let it go, man. You're not going to get any form of closure with these kinds of people because they are screwed in the head and can't truly relate to another person's pain and misery, so it's a pointless endeavour. Not only this, but you're just feeding the troll, even though she comes across as somewhat compassionate in her emails to you, but it's all just an act to keep you enamoured with her, to feed her narcissism.

Yeh, I know it sucks to be dropped on your head like that, but that's what happens when you get involved with a borderline. Just live 'n' learn and let her go and don't repeat the same mistake again.

Focus on a worthwhile goal that will enrich your life, perhaps really focus on conquering your food addiction, eat healthily, lose some weight and you will feel so much better for it because A) you will be more physically attractive and will get so much more interest from women B) You will be healthy and full of energy, and therefore able to do more things.

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« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2012, 08:10:49 PM »

 Push , you have made valid points. Thank you.
but it's all just an act to keep you enamoured with her, to feed her narcissism. .  

Totally agree.

Outside of the 'car' incident  (which was just so heat of the moment.. but i was still out of control.. I admit it.  ) , I emailed her twice. 3/7 (it was my cutesy way of trying to get some dialogue)   and 5/2 ( her friend passed away and I heard she was distraught ... so  I have feelings for her and I broke down and texted her ... dumb on my part).

All of this latest drama came from her emailng me 'out of the blue'. So I am very very very guilty of trying to take the opportunity to get my closure. In some ways it was a good thing. In other ways, it was injecting the drug again.

But you do raise a point I hadn't considered and that is some sort of false entrapment and being alone with her .. would just feed the triangulation (read definition). ***correction I suppose I have acted in the triangulation (read definition) .. and I am the persecutor... yay, me. ) Personally, if you all are correct,  she doesn't want me to have closure anyway (because I am hers and how dare I break away from her ... she will decide... such a control freak ) and I would be wasting my breath .

Mango, Thank you!.

I will start NC again. I am a little more hopeful  that what makes this different for me this time is ... I sort of feel like I am coming out of the emotional coma. I miss her a little less. I pity her a little more. I am still hurt although it is a lot more manageable. As you have stated, ludicrous and conflicting.. the contradictions. She's a propaganda master.  I can't see her in person right now. She is incapable or not willing to show me the respect I deserve in order to close the door. So as the T has stated, as you all have stated... the closure comes from within. I start to see glimpses and then it's fleeting. I guess this is where my maturity is lacking... as if they punch me I must punch back. But I didn't punch back... I held it in and in and in... then boom.

One thing that I will say, is that meeting her has impacted my life. The hard work to change is what is limiting me now. Meaning... who else can limit me but me ?  I often feel that I deserve what I got because... she told me everything about her and that she had BPD. Not a lot of people on these boards got the heads up. My arrogance led me to believe that I could handle her. That for the 1st time a woman understood me. I understood her (oops).  We were going to save each other. We were going to be there through thick and thin. I didn't change ... she did. Because it's her nature. Because she will reach out again to me at some point when she is emotionally uncomfortable with whatever it is at the moment. This is one hell of a disorder to have... they project themselves so well to most people... and they go  oh that's so and so --- emotional and dramatic. But once they let us in and the mask comes off... it's jaw dropping.  The craziness; instability.  I think my ex is one of these borderline waifs/ hermits. She never raged at me per se... I suppose she did it inwardly. Heck her favorite animal is a hermit crab.



I'm guessing her original impulse to call you was about her.  When you weren't ecstatic to hear from her and shared honest feelings, she began the process of splitting you again.  When she said don't do this...she means don't make me face myself and my behavior.  I only want your attention, your love, your admiration...because you are an object not a person.  You are not supposed to have feelings or display anything other than what I want.

Bingo, Mango.. Bingo.     Dance monkey,  dance.    cry
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« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2012, 02:11:28 PM »

34,

Please be cautious and kind with yourself.  It's one thing when a person objectifies others.  Where it can get us into trouble is when we start to take on that objectification (as in the monkey) as our own truth.

Just because she lacks object constancy it doesn't speak or equate to your worth.  This is where detachment is helpful.  Her actions, perceptions, and beliefs are hers.  They don't have to be yours.

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« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2012, 06:06:20 AM »

RE:  She contacts me... dance begins...

It takes 2 to Tango... if you detach and stick to NC then there is no dysfunctional dance.

Spend some time reflecting on why you needed to respond.

Take beter care of you Empathy

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