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Title: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: kc sunshine on February 25, 2016, 04:35:14 AM
I feel like the worst NCer on this board but I'm going to give it another try. I don't like who I am becoming in the aftermath of this breakup and I want to regain perspective, and myself.


Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: Scopikaz on February 25, 2016, 07:01:27 AM
I told you I Am the worst. It's been three months and the longest I've been is four days on two separate occasions.  Today I'm on day two. Hoping this time it will go three weeks or so until the concert we are going to.  And maybe by then I won't feel need to take her. 

Although we are playing trivia crack which technically is contact . But I'm referring to texts or Facebook messages.

I'm assuming I may hear from her first and if so I'll need to decide how to respond.


Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: kc sunshine on February 25, 2016, 07:51:13 AM
Hahaha, no way I am the worst. And I feel like the board must be soo sick of me! Today is my day 1. Successes so far: I deleted all her text messages. Also, I resisted driving by her house on the way home from yoga.

Motto: Get me back.


Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: Rifka on February 25, 2016, 08:33:37 AM
Kc, sent you a pm!



Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: kc sunshine on February 26, 2016, 05:18:27 PM
Thanks for your message Rifka! I sent you one back!

Scopikaz, how are you doing? I didn't keep up NC yesterday, but I've been doing pretty well today.


Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: Scopikaz on February 26, 2016, 05:57:29 PM
I'm on day three so far.  Longest I've went is four days. Pretty sad I know. I feel good about beating that right now.  I'm still planning on taking her to concert though I know in two weeks.  I'm going to try to stay no contact till couple days before show.  How long ago did you all split up again?  And have there been any attempted retries?


Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: MapleBob on February 26, 2016, 08:35:06 PM
I wish I had the option to contact her, but she made it pretty clear not to. And I'm not caving now, not after 7(?) weeks!

Are you all having fairly mutual contact initiation?


Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: kc sunshine on February 26, 2016, 09:02:02 PM
MapleBob, our contact has been  of the pull push variety... .I think she is in between relationships and so for the last two weeks she has been contacting me on and off. She'll contact and then go silent. Kiss me, then pull back. Holds my hand in the movies and then let go. My challenge has been to maintain a steady rudder throughout it... .and it's been tough. 

I've almost made it through the day NC though and I don't really have any urge to contact her though I'm still checking to see if she contacts me. We had a nice night with her daughter yesterday so things feel peaceful between us. I find it easiest to maintain NC when there is peace. I'm going to face a challenge tomorrow-- she's doing this drag show/dance party thing and I told her I couldn't go because it would be too difficult for me re: to see her dancing with other people, etc. She was gracious about it, and understood. My codependent challenge will be to accept whatever happens there as meant to be/God's will! (e.g. if she meets someone new, etc).  

Skopikaz, we split up in early December (she broke up with me in October but we were still functionally together until she got together with someone else in Dec). I went out of town for a couple months so there wasn't much possibility of retrying. I've been back for about a month. I think she's toyed with the idea of retrying (thus the pull) but is really ambivalent about it (thus the push). My ex is also very very active going out etc-- it almost feels manic. It sounds like it is the same with your ex. How are you managing with the jealousy? Does she tell you about the others?





I wish I had the option to contact her, but she made it pretty clear not to. And I'm not caving now, not after 7(?) weeks!

Are you all having fairly mutual contact initiation?



Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: kc sunshine on February 27, 2016, 08:30:02 AM
Made it through day 1 yesterday though the end of the day was tough. Starting day 2. This is rough going gang. Skopikaz, MapleBob, and others who might be in the early phases-- how are you?


Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: MapleBob on February 27, 2016, 09:28:40 AM
Made it through day 1 yesterday though the end of the day was tough. Starting day 2. This is rough going gang. Skopikaz, MapleBob, and others who might be in the early phases-- how are you?

I'm at seven weeks as of yesterday, so maybe that's not exactly "early phase", but... .I'm hanging in there. My birthday is coming up at the end of March, and that will mark ~90 days NC, so I'm wondering if I'll hear from her then in some way, shape, or form. That's the next easy excuse for her to contact me. I'm still ruminating, I'm still angry, I still miss her. Seeing someone new, it's going pretty well, but it's just not the same. Trying to heal, trying to build walls inside myself against the thought of her... .


Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: Scopikaz on February 27, 2016, 09:44:59 AM
Day four today for me of not texting her. It's tough.  But I know im still planning on the concert in two weeks. I know I shouldn't do that. But honestly I will.  I am curious if she will reach out to me before then.  I'm playing trivia crack with her still though. So technically I am communicating with her on some level I know. But not texting her is huge step for me. If I can make it through today it will be a record for me.


Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: C.Stein on February 27, 2016, 09:54:06 AM
Day four today for me of not texting her. It's tough.  But I know im still planning on the concert in two weeks. I know I shouldn't do that. But honestly I will.  I am curious if she will reach out to me before then.  I'm playing trivia crack with her still though. So technically I am communicating with her on some level I know. But not texting her is huge step for me. If I can make it through today it will be a record for me.

Why are you even bothering with NC if you are not disengaging from her?  If the goal is to detach then you need to do just that ... .detach completely.  


Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: Confused? on February 27, 2016, 10:03:49 AM
Day four today for me of not texting her. It's tough.  But I know im still planning on the concert in two weeks. I know I shouldn't do that. But honestly I will.  I am curious if she will reach out to me before then.  I'm playing trivia crack with her still though. So technically I am communicating with her on some level I know. But not texting her is huge step for me. If I can make it through today it will be a record for me.

Why are you even bothering with NC if you are not disengaging from her?  If the goal is to detach then you need to do just that ... .detach completely.  

I think a lot of people here fail to understand the use of no contact.


Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: Scopikaz on February 27, 2016, 10:50:43 AM
I understand nc is not about them. It's about me. It's about me clearing my mind.  Moving on. Detaching.  But I'm doing what I am

Able to do at the pace I can. I wish I could go cold turkey and never look back. Sadly I am not able to at this point. But not texting her is a start. A step in the right direction. It's all I can do right now.



Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: steelwork on February 27, 2016, 10:53:10 AM
I understand nc is not about them. It's about me. It's about me clearing my mind.  Moving on. Detaching.  But I'm doing what I am

Able to do at the pace I can. I wish I could go cold turkey and never look back. Sadly I am not able to at this point. But not texting her is a start. A step in the right direction. It's all I can do right now.

I salute you Scopikaz. I was the lucky beneficiary  lol of a big freeze-out. I can't imagine how hard voluntarily establishing no contact must be.


Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: Scopikaz on February 27, 2016, 11:57:43 AM
Thank you. But it's not totally voluntarily In the sense that she doesn't reach out to me either.  Understand in January and February I blocked her from Facebook.  Both times she all but begged me not to shut her out of my life. So I re friended her both times.  But when I don't contact her she doesn't reach out to me either. Except this last time and that was only because she feared I wouldn't take her to the concert still. And that was obvious. 

If I were to text her. She would respond. But it would be brief and to point. Or it would be some sort of self loathing on her part.  If I tried to get deep she wouldn't respond or she would shut it down.

So really this no contact is semi voluntary. 

I keep praying for Gods will in all this.  But really lets see:

She doesn't want a relationship and makes it clear how much the thought pains her

All my friends say move on

Everyone here says move on

Experts would say move on

The past is the best indicator of the future. Which should say a lot

And we started out as affair 2 1/2 years ago.  So God never could have blessed it and likely therefore would never reconcile us

So really his will should be pretty clear, right? 

It's like what I see on fb so much.  If a door is closed quit banging on it.  I've been banging on a closed door for three months now.   And the only opening I've had was for a concert. A musical. And a trip to see her kids where i paid most of it. 

Other than that she can't even acknowledge me during week.  But those three weekends seemed so great. 


Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: steelwork on February 27, 2016, 12:03:21 PM
If I were to text her. She would respond. But it would be brief and to point. Or it would be some sort of self loathing on her part.  If I tried to get deep she wouldn't respond or she would shut it down.

This reminds me very much of the two months of low contact I had with my ex--except that he alternated between superficial happy-talk and self-loathing. That probably would have continued indefinitely, except that I finally stopped pussyfooting around and told him I was unhappy with his avoidance. Then he pulled the plug.


Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: JQ on February 27, 2016, 12:14:25 PM
Hey Group,

In the military & in other places we've learned that 30 days makes a habit ... .don't eat junk food for 30 days, you loose the craving for it. 30 days of exercise & you feel you need to do it ... .30 days NC and things GET SO MUCH BETTER FOR YOU!      

@ MapleBob ... .you get a 1 month NC coin, "kinda like AA" ... .the next one is 3 months so hang tough. Make plans for your birthday NOT to be at home but out with a buddy or two ... .or even a date ... .when you're out ... .turn your phone off so that you don't get the need to respond to calls or texts from anyone you're not suppose too.

In fact it's a good practice for everyone to follow ... .turn off the phone if you're not expecting any calls or text to help you get to that point ... .if you're out & or on a date, shut it off ... .it's rude to the person your sharing your time with if you're constantly interrupted ... .

@Scopikaz ... .I would agree with C.Stein & Confused ... .that NC is NC and just because you're playing online games with her doesn't qualify for NC ... .SHE is in control & manipulating the relationship whether you see that or not ... .YOU need to take control of YOUR life & if it IS your intention to proceed with NC ... .then cut all ties to prevent any further manipulation of your feelings, emotions & thoughts.

WE all need to take a moment ... .go to a mirror ... .look ourselves in the eyes and ask ourselves what the hell are we doing?  Are you happy that he/she is manipulating  your emotions & feelings & behavior like a puppet on a string?  Are you sitting in your in place NOT going out, NOT exploring life, NOT engaging in friends, family or life because you're praying, hoping, wishing that you EX-BPD will just call ... .text ... .email you to let you know that they love you & want to make things work between you two?  Are YOU happy the way things are NOW? 

YOU & ONLY YOU can make the changes needed to start YOUR new life! To be reborn as it were. Your EX-BPD is in control of YOUR life at the moment ... .Your EX-BPD is manipulating YOU and you can't even see it because of FOG ... .ask yourself ... .is this how you want to live your life? TO be controlled & at the beckon call of your BPD at a place & time of their choosing ... .maybe weeks or months down the road?  Or are you going to take control of your life once again and move forward to live life ... .I MEAN REALLY LIVE LIFE!

Ask yourself this ... .if you were to get in a car crash tomorrow ... .and you were paralyzed or worse killed ... .would you be ok with all that you have done so far in your life? Or would you be angry at yourself for letting someone else rule, control, manipulate you in to what they wanted ... .not what you wanted ... .are you a sheep to follow others ... .or are you the sheep dog !

BOW WOW BABY ! BOW WOW!

JQ


Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: kc sunshine on February 27, 2016, 01:22:48 PM
Of course you all are right-- that's why we are saying we are the worst NCers ever!  lol except that it is painful!

I can go NC but when she contacts me it is very difficult for me not to reply/respond. Perhaps going through this cycle of her ambivalent attempts at recycling while she is in between relationships will do the trick for me.

Or perhaps NC is too dramatic for us... .perhaps what I can work on is releasing with grace, graceful to her and graceful to myself. And radically accepting where we are, where she is, where I am-- knowing that detaching is a process.

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Why are you even bothering with NC if you are not disengaging from her?  If the goal is to detach then you need to do just that ... .detach completely.  [/quote]
I think a lot of people here fail to understand the use of no contact. [/quote]


Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: kc sunshine on February 27, 2016, 01:23:59 PM
JT, I love your optimism! Did 30 days work for you?


Hey Group,

In the military & in other places we've learned that 30 days makes a habit ... .don't eat junk food for 30 days, you loose the craving for it. 30 days of exercise & you feel you need to do it ... .30 days NC and things GET SO MUCH BETTER FOR YOU~!   |iiii   

@ MapleBob ... .you get a 1 month NC coin, "kinda like AA" ... .the next one is 3 months so hang tough. Make plans for your birthday NOT to be at home but out with a buddy or two ... .or even a date ... .when you're out ... .turn your phone off so that you don't get the need to respond to calls or texts from anyone you're not suppose too.

In fact it's a good practice for everyone to follow ... .turn off the phone if you're not expecting any calls or text to help you get to that point ... .if you're out & or on a date, shut it off ... .it's rude to the person your sharing your time with if you're constantly interrupted ... .

@Scopikaz ... .I would agree with C.Stein & Confused ... .that NC is NC and just because you're playing online games with her doesn't qualify for NC ... .SHE is in control & manipulating the relationship whether you see that or not ... .YOU need to take control of YOUR life & if it IS your intention to proceed with NC ... .then cut all ties to prevent any further manipulation of your feelings, emotions & thoughts.

WE all need to take a moment ... .go to a mirror ... .look ourselves in the eyes and ask ourselves what the hell are we doing?  Are you happy that he/she is manipulating  your emotions & feelings & behavior like a puppet on a string?  Are you sitting in your in place NOT going out, NOT exploring life, NOT engaging in friends, family or life because you're praying, hoping, wishing that you EX-BPD will just call ... .text ... .email you to let you know that they love you & want to make things work between you two?  Are YOU happy the way things are NOW? 

YOU & ONLY YOU can make the changes needed to start YOUR new life~! To be reborn as it were. Your EX-BPD is in control of YOUR life at the moment ... .Your EX-BPD is manipulating YOU and you can't even see it because of FOG ... .ask yourself ... .is this how you want to live your life? TO be controlled & at the beckon call of your BPD at a place & time of their choosing ... .maybe weeks or months down the road?  Or are you going to take control of your life once again and move forward to live life ... .I MEAN REALLY LIVE LIFE~!

Ask yourself this ... .if you were to get in a car crash tomorrow ... .and you were paralyzed or worse killed ... .would you be ok with all that you have done so far in your life? Or would you be angry at yourself for letting someone else rule, control, manipulate you in to what they wanted ... .not what you wanted ... .are you a sheep to follow others ... .or are you the sheep dog !

BOW WOW BABY ! BOW WOW~! |iiii

JQ



Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: Scopikaz on February 27, 2016, 01:39:12 PM
I definitely love her and want her back. But I know it's not my choice. It's hers and/or Gods choice. 

I was married 16 plus years. It wasn't a great marriage.  But in the two years I was with me exgf I think i loved her more than my wife I believe. And oddly although my wife ended the marriage, I am taking this way harder then the ending of my marriage. 


It's been three months and no doubt total no contact would help. But I'm just not at that point of total no contact.  She's beautiful. Smart. Funny. Endearing. Etc. I'm surprised she hasn't fully met someone yet.  But I know it's only a matter of time.   



Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: JQ on February 27, 2016, 06:28:52 PM
Hey Group,

@ KC ... .yes the 30 days makes a habit rule did work for me. I know ... .I know how hard it is to detach & go completely NC. I won't say it wasn't hard ... .it was ... .without a doubt ... .how many times did I pick up the phone to see if I missed a text, a phone call ... .how many sleepless nights did I have because my mind wouldn't shut off wondering where she was, who was she sleeping with tonight ... .then one day you wake up and the lightbulb goes off  :thought:   WHAT IN THE HELL AM I DOING WITH MYSELF? THIS IS NOT WHO THE HELL I AM?  I'M GOING TO TAKE MY LIFE BACK! MOVE FOWARD!

BUT let me ask this of the group! Did anyone ... .and I mean ANYONE here really like the cheating, then the lying about it, his/her way to justify it in THEIR world? How about the raging, the deregulation, projection, the Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde wondering which one you were going to come home too? Did anyone enjoy the crazy behavior they exhibit on nearly a daily basis?  Does anyone enjoy comprising their mind, body & soul to learn a new language & behavior modification of yourself so as NOT to trigger their behavior? For those who have kids, do you like to try & explain why mommy or daddy is doing a meltdown ... .or looking into your child's eyes dejected and demoralized wondering how you could be sitting this example for them to follow once they grow up and obtain a dysfunctional spouse of their own perpetuating your own relationship on yet another generation? Did anyone like to hear stories about the other lovers in the BPD life ... .and or suggestions about how you might not measure up to them? Did anyone really enjoy ALL the manipulations & control they seem to have over our lives? Does anyone really like the mental, physical, emotional, abuse that your BPD dishes out on you on a constant bases?  Does anyone really enjoy the recycle after recycle after recycle?  REALLY GUYS? 

KC ... .I didn't just wake up one morning and go I'm done ... .I did a deep dive on myself and I educated myself of the seriousness of how bad a Cluster B mental illness BPD actually is. I spent more then my fair share with a therapist ... .I learned why I WAS a codependent and how to correct MY behavior so that I can learn the warning signs of someone who is mentally ill with BPD. I read book after book and spent time with a couple of friends who are clinical physiologist with no holds bar on just the damage someone with BPD can cause ... .and it'll never end. IF you're honest with yourself and look into your BPD history you'll see a LOONG history of failed marriages, relationships ... .and your BPD has blamed them all these years for the bad breakup, abuse, etc.

I read post after post, going back to 2008 here on this website ... .and what I found is that someone who came here yesterday trying to find out how to save or educate themselves on BPD is nearly identical to a post from 2008 or any where in-between. I've read more then one post on the staying board with members still asking questions with 1000 ... .2000 ... .3000 posts on how to manage their BPD. Asking does it ever get better? Do they ever become cured? how to handle yet another break up, another situation with their BPD cheating or raging or devaluing them in some way shape or form.

After all of that ... .and a glass of wine or two ... .I woke up one morning ... .and look in the mirror after another sleepless night asking myself ... .what the hell J? Dude you're better then this ... .you've lost your soul ... .you've lost who you are. My friends told me I had lost my laugh, good nature, my smile ... .that the old J had seem to disappear.   I knew it was time to take back control of MY life!  I knew it was time for me to live MY life for ME!  I knew it was time to MAKE things happen instead of sitting around, depressed, wishing, hoping, praying for her to call me and tell me what I THOUGHT I wanted to hear.  I am in control of MY destiny!  I blocked her from FB & other social media ... .the first step of a new path on my journey!

That morning I took a hot shower ... .started my first of many walks, bike rides to get the good endorphins in my body circulating!  I got a hair cut, trimmed up the beard & went out and got a couple of compliments at the grocery store!  Speaking of ... .I went to the grocery store and bought things to make a salad, and other healthy food to help my mind & spirit.  I threw out all the damn junk food because NOTHING good comes from it ... .not even your poo!    I took myself to a funny movie because laughter is very important to a healthy mind & spirit!  I spent as much time outdoors on my walks to enjoy the small things in life ... .the birds singing, kids laughing in the distance playing, the sun & breeze on my face!  I reached out to old friends who I hadn't talked to in awhile & reconnected ... .WOW ... .how helpful that was to reconnect with friends!  I started to sleep better ... .I took melatonin to help me obtain more sleep naturally vise a drug induced coma that make me feel like crap when I woke up.

I started to write a journal on my computer ... .my mood adjustments, my walks, bike rides, the days I went out and how long I was in the sun. The eating adjustments I made and the movies I went to see, the friends I talked to and the how many times I laughed or smiled that day. I started to notice a change ... .I really did!  I started to laugh more ... .I started to smile more ... .engage people more ... .I started to feel better about myself ... .mind body and soul. I started to lose weight ... .my mind started to get clearer. I started to plan things again ... .engage life ... .explore life once again!  This turn around actually started to improve my outlook and my mental & physical health in less then 30 days ... .and I haven't stopped!  It all became a habit ... .a very healthy habit!

You can do it too ... .no pills needed ... .no special tools ... .YOU have to be the one who wakes up one morning & say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!  I'M TAKING MY LIFE BACK!  And the next thing you know ... .1 day has gone by ... .1 week ... .1 month ... .and you see someone in the grocery store & start up a conversation ... .a bunch of friends & you go out to a movie, dinner, coffee ... .concert ... .road trip ... .and you will meet someone who is worthy of you ... .someone who compliments you and you compliment them!

Enjoy life KC ... .group ... .you only get one go around ... .I don't intend to spend it sniffling, wishing, praying for my BPD to magically heal from the serious MENTAL ILLNESS that she has ... .I feel for her ... .I miss her ... .I love her ... .I would be a cold heartless human being not worthy of anyones love if I didn't ... .but until science can figure out a way to surgically or genetically alter her brain & behavior ... .she's never going to become ... ."CURED" ... .I had to stop living a pipe dream ... .the best anyone can hope for is SOME management of bad behavior ... .but it will never be complete ... .I CHOOSE TO LIVE MY LIFE FOR ME!

J



Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: steelwork on February 27, 2016, 06:44:24 PM
JQ, you need to hang that MOTIVATIONAL SPEAKER shingle!  Serious!  I mean, I'm hardly doing any of that stuff, and I was still barely human at 30 days, just aiming to spend time in public without losing it, but I bet you woulda made me smile.



Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: JQ on February 27, 2016, 07:11:41 PM
JQ, you need to hang that MOTIVATIONAL SPEAKER shingle!  Serious!  I mean, I'm hardly doing any of that stuff, and I was still barely human at 30 days, just aiming to spend time in public without losing it, but I bet you woulda made me smile.

Steelwork,

There is a difference ... .not to judge you ... .but there is a difference.  o you see the difference between what you said here and what I did?  You said, "I'm hardly doing any of that stuff, and I was still barely human at 30 days, just aiming to spend time in public without losing it,"   You were doing the minimum ... .you hadn't changed your diet, the physical part of it, the walking, biking, movies, calling friends ... .you were just existing ... .YOU HAVE TO BE AN ACTIVE PARTICIPANT IN YOUR OWN RECOVERY!  

All those physical things ... .biking, walking, running, hiking, gym ... .all those things ACTUALLY get the good endorphins in your body circulating!  The bright sun in your face does so much for other endorphins hitting your brain to improve mental attitude!  If you're in a dark place in the country right now due to the winter ... .change your lightbulbs out to 100 watts ... .and NOT the soft white crap ... .bright is better! The light hitting the back of your eyes sends signals to your brain that help with better moods.  Going to funny movies, comedy shows, watching funny tv shows helps with adjustment of mental healthy, moods like a brighter sun, physical movement in the gym, biking, etc.  Getting rid of the junk food is another thing ... .the sludge that stays in your body is never good ... .slows you brain down ... .slows you body down. Makes you gain weight which in turns makes you more depressed and so the depressive cycle gets deeper and deeper.  

Make these changes in your daily routine and trust me ... .YOU WILL NOTICE A DIFFERENCE in your overall mental & physical healthy in 30 days!  Which in turns helps with moving on from your other depressive state of the BPD ... .

You got this Steelwork!  The ONLY ONE who is preventing you from getting better & moving on at this point is you ... .you're the one limiting yourself ... .STOP IT!  

J


Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: steelwork on February 27, 2016, 07:19:40 PM
Hahaha... .seriously, you're cracking me up!

I went running today! Okay? At the 30 day mark I was focused on meditating. That was almost a year ago. I was a squashed bug, and I believe I did my very best. It's a fine line between trying not to wallow and beating yourself up when you're sick. For me at that time, eating enough every day was a struggle. I lost 15lbs in like 6 weeks. Just saying: do the best you can, and don't sweat it if you're not 100% in 30 days. 


Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: kc sunshine on February 27, 2016, 07:28:28 PM
Okay, I'm sold! I'm on the JQ plan! JQ: did your ex try to contact you in those 30 days? How did you resist responding? Or had the FOG lifted so much, you didn't feel like you needed to?


Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: JQ on February 27, 2016, 07:29:03 PM
JQ, you need to hang that MOTIVATIONAL SPEAKER shingle!  Serious!  I mean, I'm hardly doing any of that stuff, and I was still barely human at 30 days, just aiming to spend time in public without losing it, but I bet you woulda made me smile.

Steelwork & Group,

If you're really serious ... .and I mean really serious about going NC ... .changing the direction your life is headed and wanting to improve your outlook on life ... .then do this one thing.

I don't care where you live in the world ... .some small town to the largest city ... .each one of you know of a spot that would be AWESOME to watch the sunrise come up!  Get up tomorrow 30-45 minutes depending on how long it will take you to get there ... .fix a cup of coffee ... .take that shower ... .get dressed and take a second cup of coffee with you out the door ... .walk, drive to or sit on your back patio to watch the sun come up!

Enjoy the colors of this new dawn ... .how the stars in the sky to give way to the morning ... .how the dark sky starts to give way to the light blues ... .then the light color of yellow ... .then a few more minutes ... .more blue ... .more yellow ... .you see the crest of the sun break the horizon ... .you hear birds start to sing ... .you hear nature start to wake up from a night of sleep ... .you look again ... .the sun is 1/2 way ... .more colors of yellows, oranges, reds, blues start to fill the sky ... .you smile at the ahhh of it ... .you take a sip of your coffee ... .your tea ... .your hot chocolate ... .you take a deep breath and look at the sun ... .you feel the change starting deep within you ... .you take another deep breath and a bigger smile is on your face watching the sun fully break the horizon ... .the black sky & stars have all but gone ... .you see whips of white cotton clouds with pinks, reds, yellows, oranges in them against the background of a blue sky ... .you take another ship of your coffee ... .look down for a moment ... .smile ... .look back up at the morning sky and chuckle to yourself ... .and you say to yourself ... .

Today is the day I take my life back !  Today and every day after this one belongs to me!    

J


Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: Anez on February 27, 2016, 07:29:50 PM
One day at a time, guys. You can do it.

I work with my ex and have said 4 words to her in two weeks. Just cordial hellos. I don't feel the urge to text her anymore. Tonight I'm going on a third date with a woman who I'm into and is into me and it feels good.

I see my BPD ex's whole picture and realized she'll never have the ability to be on the type of relationship that I want to be in. There's no fixing her. She is what she is. And that's not good enough for me.

So it's just time to move on. There are other women in the world than just her so I'm good with letting the fantasy of her disappear into the horizon.

You guys can do this - just take a good, honest look at your ex's and you'll eventually see what I saw in mine. It's just not worth it. Life is too short.



Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: steelwork on February 27, 2016, 07:35:27 PM
I am totally watching the sunrise tomorrow. Better hit the hay early.


Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: JQ on February 27, 2016, 09:03:26 PM
I am totally watching the sunrise tomorrow. Better hit the hay early.

Steelwork,

I expect to read your experience of your morning here tomorrow!      It truly is an amazing thing to watch the new day begin knowing that her flying monkey's will NEVER sh!t on your head anymore. 

@KC, since I locked down my FB & other social media, blocked her text & calls she had to email me ... .what you do ... .is you take your cursor ... .place it over the delete button and push the button!  Simple!  No flying monkey's, no drama, and in a way it's a small part to regain control over YOUR life ... .I can't do it ... .YOU have to push the delete button!  Then you have to place it in the spam filter ... .then you have to empty your email trash ... .every thing after that is almost automatic!  NOTHING says your required to answer any contact your BPD tries to initiate ... .DONT'!

But KC I would really like to read your sunrise experience too!  You can't believe how much it will give you a different perspective on things! 

As Anez says ... .baby steps ... .one day at a time ... .BUT each & everyone of you have it within you to make the change in YOUR life!   

J


Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: kc sunshine on February 27, 2016, 11:36:24 PM
JQ & Steelwork-- I'm in for the sunrise challenge as well-- I love it! Today is actually a big day in my working on my codependency-- my ex invited my to go see her perform in a drag show at this big dance party and I said no. Now my codependent self was/is so scared that she'll meet someone new at this show... .but my wake-up-tomorrow-to see-the-sunrise-self is letting go of that fear (and that is the same self that said no to the invitation!)

So good to hear from you Anez, and hear that you are doing well! It is so easy to downplay or dismiss their serious mental illness, and you guys have done such a great job in recognizing it, and reminding me of it as well-- thank you   


Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: steelwork on February 28, 2016, 09:59:19 AM
JQ & kc:

I will not lie and say I saw the sunrise this morning... .BUT I did get up a lot earlier than usual and go sit on a bench in the park, and it was lovely. I listened to music on my ipod, and then talked to a lady about dogs. If I get to sleep early enough, I'll try for the sunrise tomorrow!


Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: kc sunshine on February 28, 2016, 10:26:15 AM
I missed the absolute sunrise here too (well I'm in Seattle so there really isn't much of a sunrise underneath the clouds) but inspired by you guys I got up and out early instead of ruminating in bed! I took the dog on a skateboard walk to this dog park, let him off leash, and exercised a bit. I saw the day lightening-- the sun rising behind the clouds brightening and intensifying the colors of the morning. It was still grey, but a brighter more beautiful grey. I thought that was apt, things still feel gray but maybe they are getting brighter. 


Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: Anez on February 28, 2016, 11:20:04 AM
So good to hear from you Anez, and hear that you are doing well! It is so easy to downplay or dismiss their serious mental illness, and you guys have done such a great job in recognizing it, and reminding me of it as well-- thank you   

For me that was the hardest part - truly buying into the fact that she has BPD and is mentally ill. But I've finally turned that corner and see that light. There's literally nothing we can do to help these people. There's no future with them for us. And we're better off without them. I'm seeing that now.

They are basically like an untrained pitbull - sometimes they'll show you love but most of the time they'll just be way to dangerous to be around.

I say detach and find a good person to be with. It can be done. Don't get lost in thinking she is the only beacon of light in this mad world. Because she isn't. There are so many out there.

Glad you guys had good mornings.


Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: kc sunshine on February 28, 2016, 12:51:37 PM
Totally. Here's what I know for sure about her:

1) I would never be able to live with her (even if we could somehow stay together)

2) Being together with her wouldn't be good for my kids (Besides having them have to see her get so mad at me, I don't think I would be the best mom I could be in the relationship)

Also here's what I know about being apart from her:

1) even though its been together in terms of the gut-wrenching in terms of the separation anxiety, my life has felt "less unmanageable"



So good to hear from you Anez, and hear that you are doing well! It is so easy to downplay or dismiss their serious mental illness, and you guys have done such a great job in recognizing it, and reminding me of it as well-- thank you   

For me that was the hardest part - truly buying into the fact that she has BPD and is mentally ill. But I've finally turned that corner and see that light. There's literally nothing we can do to help these people. There's no future with them for us. And we're better off without them. I'm seeing that now.

They are basically like an untrained pitbull - sometimes they'll show you love but most of the time they'll just be way to dangerous to be around.

I say detach and find a good person to be with. It can be done. Don't get lost in thinking she is the only beacon of light in this mad world. Because she isn't. There are so many out there.

Glad you guys had good mornings.



Title: Re: Gonna give NC/ very LC another try
Post by: JQ on February 28, 2016, 02:01:21 PM
Good morning KC, Steelwork, group,

First I want to say congrats to everyone here who made it out as early as they could to see the sunrise in whatever state it was!     YOU took the first step in a new & better direction in YOUR life!  Each one of you should be proud of yourself for what you accomplished this morning!

@ Steelwork ... .nice addition adding music to your walk in the park this morning !  I think music can be great in framing the mind for good things for the day!  How many of us had a good head nod in the car on the way to work listening to our favorite music vibrating the windows?  And see ... .the dog thing works ... .it's a great ice breaker between people ... .I have to admit ... .I would take my dog with me and she was my wingman !     She helped me meet more then one person and ended up with a date or two from them     

@KC ... .having been stationed on Whidbey Island I know just how you can go for weeks or months not seeing the sun ... .I would like you to go out & get those 100 watt bulbs and not those "soft white" ones ... .natural light ones and you'll see a difference in your mental outlook in a matter of days ... .BUT you started to improve because you said ... ."It was still grey, but a brighter more beautiful grey."   Taking a negative & turning it into a positive! 

And look at you two ... .you took the dog to the park too!  Could it be that you & Steelwork are the Sheepdog?  BOW WOW BABY ! BOW WOW!   

@Anez ... .wrapping our own thoughts around BPD being a mental illness is certainly a tough one to come to terms with because they don't exhibit any outward appearance or they aren't what we see as a "stereotypical" mental illness person is ... .mindless zombies in a hospital ward that we see in some movies. But neither are psychopaths ... .people like Ted Bundy, The Green River Killer or any other serial killer can charm his or her way into the lives of unsuspecting victims ... .but they are certainly mentally ill. So are those who suffer from BPD ... .I'm glad you finally were able to recognize the Cluster B mental illness for what it is and just how difficult life would be if we were to remain with them. It sounds as if you're on a good path on your journey ... .it's filled with a few potholes and turns ... .but you remain committed to the journey.

@ the group, I want you to know I just don't talk the talk ... .but I walk the walk. I was up early this morning here in the Southwest. I showered ... .had my 1st cup of coffee, a protein shake and went out for my morning hike with my cell phone in hand to take pictures. I watched the sun come up over the mountains this morning while I drank my 2nd cup of coffee. WHAT A GLORIOUS MORNING! THE SUN SHINING!  BIRDS! NATURE! THE SUN ON MY FACE! Crystal blue sky's after the oranges, yellows & pinks that engulfed the mountains ... .I'm Just in amazement that I live in such a beautiful place!  On my walk this morning I came upon a unexpected surprise of about 100 vendors having a artisan craft fair along my walking path so I decided to stop and see what I could see. I met some amazing people with great stories to share! I saw some amazing things from people who have a gift of art, craft & taking some amazing pictures to share with the world!  Truly a great surprise! EVERY person I passed along the walking path either walking or running or riding raised a hand & said good morning!  HOW CAN YOU NOT BE IN A GREAT FRAME OF MIND AFTER A START TO YOUR DAY LIKE THAT?  Oh and so you know ... .my walk ... .5 miles of just pure enjoyment ... .taking my time ... .no rush ... .loving the sun, nature, people, & getting those endorphins & my blood circulating!

Today was the first day for some of you ... .you got up, got out, enjoyed an amazing start to the day!  Steelwork is going to meet the sun tomorrow! Let us know what you experienced tomorrow Steelwork.  Group ... .I won't kid you, there will be moments you feel weak, want to reach out to your BPD & somedays will be tough ... .but when they are ... .remember days like today and KNOW that YOU can get past it!  In those moments ... .know that those moments will pass ... .but to help with it ... .get out for a short walk, get to that bench in the park with your iPod ... .take your dog to the skateboard park and enjoy THAT moment! And you won't even know that you're not thinking about that bad moment before ... .because it passed ... .you're enjoying the moment with your dog ... .yourself ... .your music ... .and maybe like Anez says, you're going to meet someone in the dog park, on the park bench that see you for who you are ... .an amazing person that they want to get to know better and in time can appreciate the person who YOU are!

Ok group, time for a shower ... .another protein shake and back out in it ... .maybe I'll take myself to a park and enjoy the moment!

Give yourself a thumbs up guys!       YOU DID GREAT!

J