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It's fascinating (and scary) how they can justify and justify and justify no matter what you tell them.

Histrionic personality disorder, Curry said, is associated with “drama and shallowness,” and a need to be the center of attention.

She said there’s a correlation in the disorder with people who are physically attractive and “utilize their looks to get that attention.”

I also don't want to drag politics into it but I'd venture to say our whole political climate is a dysfunctional relationship *)
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And my son doesn't want to hear anything from either of us about our past conflicts.

This reminds me that there are two categories for sins...sins of commission and sins of omission.  Depp's sins were mostly of omission, he didn't choose well, he didn't seek effective help and he didn't get away and end it when things kept getting bad, well, not quickly.

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In civil cases, the standard of proof is a “preponderance of the evidence”—more likely than not. There, a slight advantage in the evidence is enough to win.
Link (https://marshalldefense.com/blog/what-is-a-he-said-she-said-case/)

They both have made allegations, yet Depp is the one with documentation, the recordings can't be discounted, not like allegations which can be described as "he said, she said" which is often viewed as hearsay.

My wild guess is the jury/statement will award one litigant $1 and the other $1 or maybe $2.

Disclaimer... I watched Jump Street decades ago when both I and Depp were young but haven't watched any of the Pirates movies.

I don't think Depp actually cares about the money. Suing pretty women is a very hard way to make money. To make money, he'd be better off spending his time producing a new movie or going on tour.

The point of the lawsuit is to take a pound of flesh from Heard and destroy her career, forever. If Johnny was toxic after the op-ed, Heard is now nuclear. Shortchanging the ACLU while using its name to further her career and destroy a beloved character in the process? That's un-American.

https://www.change.org/p/dc-entertainment-remove-amber-heard-from-aquaman-2

...nobody's looking good in this thing.

I haven’t yet followed Heard’s testimony, but having watched Depp, I think he makes a very credible witness.

Years ago, when I first heard allegations, I, like much of the public, immediately assumed that Depp was the abuser and substance abuser in the relationship. Now, I think it’s likely the latter was true, but I’m doubting the former somewhat.

Having been in a physically abusive relationship, you tend to lose the parameters of what is *normality*. At one point when my ex was feeling momentarily remorseful, he told me I could hit him if that would even up the score. I was very reluctant to do so, but he encouraged me, so I did.

What I didn’t know was in doing so, that released years of the pent up rage I felt and I not only hit him once, I continued to hit him in the chest with all my might for probably 20 blows. I had taken martial arts, but had never made contact like that with a human before. I stopped when I realized I could be breaking his ribs.

He was so shocked that he didn’t respond at all. And I was so shocked that I was capable of going into a blind rage.

One of us was the original initiator of repeated violence in the relationship. It wasn’t me.

But when given a “get out of jail free card” I hit back fully.

Would I ever have initiated violence in the relationship? No

And apparently Depp never did either, judging by the accounts of his previous partners. Heard, however, has a history of domestic violence.

But something happens to your sense of right and wrong when you’ve been attacked by the person who is supposed to love you. I never fought back when physically attacked by my ex. I tried to protect myself and hoped it would go away. I ground my teeth to the point where I needed to get crowns on all my molars. I endured.

When given a moment for retribution, I snapped.

Who is the wronged party in the Depp/Heard case? As others have said, they both will have irreparably damaged reputations due to this litigation. Depp is a beloved figure; Heard is not.

A few years ago I ended up donating through Freecycle a used printer to a local woman who is an advocate for imprisoned women who fought back in relationships with domestic violence. Had circumstances turned out differently, I could have been one of those women. I understand how someone can lose control after years of being a victim of domestic violence.

Opinion  Amber Heard: I spoke up against sexual violence — and faced our culture’s wrath. That has to change.
By Amber Heard
December 18, 2018

Amber Heard is an actress and ambassador on women’s rights at the American Civil Liberties Union.

I was exposed to abuse at a very young age. I knew certain things early on, without ever having to be told. I knew that men have the power — physically, socially and financially — and that a lot of institutions support that arrangement. I knew this long before I had the words to articulate it, and I bet you learned it young, too.

Like many women, I had been harassed and sexually assaulted by the time I was of college age. But I kept quiet — I did not expect filing complaints to bring justice. And I didn’t see myself as a victim.

Then two years ago, I became a public figure representing domestic abuse, and I felt the full force of our culture’s wrath for women who speak out.

Friends and advisers told me I would never again work as an actress — that I would be blacklisted. A movie I was attached to recast my role. I had just shot a two-year campaign as the face of a global fashion brand, and the company dropped me. Questions arose as to whether I would be able to keep my role of Mera in the movies “Justice League” and “Aquaman.”

I had the rare vantage point of seeing, in real time, how institutions protect men accused of abuse.

Imagine a powerful man as a ship, like the Titanic. That ship is a huge enterprise. When it strikes an iceberg, there are a lot of people on board desperate to patch up holes — not because they believe in or even care about the ship, but because their own fates depend on the enterprise.

In recent years, the #MeToo movement has taught us about how power like this works, not just in Hollywood but in all kinds of institutions — workplaces, places of worship or simply in particular communities. In every walk of life, women are confronting these men who are buoyed by social, economic and cultural power. And these institutions are beginning to change.

We are in a transformative political moment. The president of our country has been accused by more than a dozen women of sexual misconduct, including assault and harassment. Outrage over his statements and behavior has energized a female-led opposition. #MeToo started a conversation about just how profoundly sexual violence affects women in every area of our lives. And last month, more women were elected to Congress than ever in our history, with a mandate to take women’s issues seriously. Women’s rage and determination to end sexual violence are turning into a political force.


We have an opening now to bolster and build institutions protective of women. For starters, Congress can reauthorize and strengthen the Violence Against Women Act. First passed in 1994, the act is one of the most effective pieces of legislation enacted to fight domestic violence and sexual assault. It creates support systems for people who report abuse, and provides funding for rape crisis centers, legal assistance programs and other critical services. It improves responses by law enforcement, and it prohibits discrimination against LGBTQ survivors. Funding for the act expired in September and has only been temporarily extended.

We should continue to fight sexual assault on college campuses, while simultaneously insisting on fair processes for adjudicating complaints. Last month, Education Secretary Betsy DeVos proposed changes to Title IX rules governing the treatment of sexual harassment and assault in schools. While some changes would make the process for handling complaints more fair, others would weaken protections for sexual assault survivors. For example, the new rules would require schools to investigate only the most extreme complaints, and then only when they are made to designated officials. Women on campuses already have trouble coming forward about sexual violence — why would we allow institutions to scale back supports?

I write this as a woman who had to change my phone number weekly because I was getting death threats. For months, I rarely left my apartment, and when I did, I was pursued by camera drones and photographers on foot, on motorcycles and in cars. Tabloid outlets that posted pictures of me spun them in a negative light. I felt as though I was on trial in the court of public opinion — and my life and livelihood depended on myriad judgments far beyond my control.

I want to ensure that women who come forward to talk about violence receive more support. We are electing representatives who know how deeply we care about these issues. We can work together to demand changes to laws and rules and social norms — and to right the imbalances that have shaped our lives.

If her allegations are true, why did she marry him?

She claims she married him for relationship security to stop the accusations about infidelity. What about the choking, hitting, & pushing? You're okay to marry someone who chokes you, hits you, and pushes you into walls, but as long as they don't alleged affairs the aforementioned DV is condoned?

It makes zero sense she married him knowing and experiencing what she allegedly knew. On the stand, she is too perfect. She doesn't remember any of the violence she committed toward him.

Her testimony is basically reading from a DV textbook. She is so coached it isn't funny.

Disclaimer: I'm not saying Johnny didn't do anything wrong.

...he was NPD

I hope to never in my life encounter a JD or an AH. I wish neither of them on anyone.

I presume Johnny Depp's alcohol and drug use stems more from the fact that people in general - and wealthy people in particular who have the means - like to drink and drugs are fun to do (why else would anyone do them?) and not from coping mechanisms or represent an addiction problem.

I knew plenty of people that did drugs or drank to excess b/c that was the environment they were in (e.g. college, local bar scene, etc.), but when they graduated/grew out of that time in their life, weren't still using/drinking regularly.

I'm curious, because I don't know if there's been actual testimony supporting the claim that Johnny Depp has a drinking or drug problem, or uses to cope with some past trauma.  Seems like he just uses drugs and parties because it's fun to do that, and all his friends in Hollywood do it.  maybe he's getting to old for it, but it's not a cause of the problems here.

Yes?  

Okay, so he did admit in testimony or otherwise stated he felt he had a problem.

I didn't know if those were his own words, or other people or Amber Heard herself claiming it.

If only that time, energy & money could be put to use in helping people who are suffering with mental health issues & their family members.

One possible positive to this case is that it has raised awareness of domestic abuse to men by women and this may possibly help men come forward with their situation more. I know in our area, the only DV shelter is for women and children, and while they are certainly the most vulnerable in general, this doesn't exclude that men are also experiencing DV with less resources allocated to them.

The jury awarded Depp $10 million in compensatory damages and $5 million dollars in punitive damages. The jury awarded Heard $2 million in compensatory damages and no money for punitive damages.

More than the verdict, I think the trial was quite damaging to Amber Heard. Producers make shows that will attract viewers=profit. The internet- tik tok, Twitter- response was widely in favor of Depp and brutal to Heard. Clips of outside the courthouse showed screaming Depp fans- a generation that grew up with a crush on Captain Sparrow. Surely the producers noticed this. I don't think anyone is lining up to see Heard in a show, but Depp will draw fans.

For Depp though, I don't think this was about money, or movies, but him standing up to abuse. I don't think his intent was to harm Heard specifically. He didn't have a choice as a child when he was abused by his mother ( who he stated was the "meanest person he knows"). Perhaps I am reading more into it, but I think for Johnny Depp, this trial was for validation. Yes, this happened, and he will no longer allow another narrative. His last line of his statement after the verdict said it best: Veritas numquam perit. Truth never perishes.