Hi Gigi,

The general advice on this site is to validate the valid but not the invalid.  If she's going to such lengths to perpetuate this fantasy, she might crave attention, money, a baby shower and/or a place to stay.  It sounds like she wants to showcase how terrible her ex is as well, to cement her role as victim in this delusion, and use it as a form of control.   Maybe you could focus on her feelings--how scary it must be to face all these changes and worries and uncertainties, and feel abandoned by the ex, and see where that goes, without pressing for factual details about the baby?  But since she's taken this so far, if you challenge her on the facts, she might become furious, because you'd be "invalidating" her version of events.

I don't really know, honestly.  What I experienced with my diagnosed stepdaughter was that she would test out stories of abuse and trauma to get attention and play the victim, but many of the stories had questionable fact patterns and timelines.  On a few of the stories, she conveniently omitted her role in starting an altercation--and accused others of assault, when she was the instigator.  I think that she eventually learned to keep details hazy, so that she couldn't be challenged on the facts or take any of the blame.  But I think the feelings behind the traumatic stories were genuine, even if the facts weren't.  So maybe focus on the feelings.

It's hard to say where this goes, because at some point the baby will need to materialize, or the story dies.  As I write this I'm wondering if she'll say the baby didn't make it, taking the fantasy to a whole other level.

Hello thewilltoleave,

It was inspiring to read your post, which demonstrates the insight and progress in your journey. Thank you for sharing  .


I learned that lesson here on BPD family. In the right company, being vulnerable opens up the space for deeper connections and truthfulness. It isn`t easy (at least it isn`t for me!). There is no need to maintain a `perfect` facade. We`re all learning and growing. I`m glad that your friend opened up to you, and hope you have many more of these enriching interactions in the future.

It sounds like you are recognizing your strengths, and making your way through the grieving process one step at a time. You`re right in saying that you are not alone. As you grow through the next big hurdles, turn towards your support (here, friends, therapy) and be kind and patient with yourself. You are strong and resilient.

https://bpdfamily.com/content/what-does-it-take-be-relationship

I`ve read this article many times. I almost feel like I should read it every day! I think that the relationship skills and self-awareness that I can gain from this will be valuable for me to bring to the table in all my future relationships 

I asked him how he was feeling today, we spoke briefly about his new medication. His answers were on the dry and short end. My instinct was to feel like I had done something wrong; he had been so interactive and willing to share just a few days ago! Initially, I wanted to keep pushing for more contact and communication. Instead, I asked him `your answers seem short! is this one of those days where you`d like more space?`. He said yes, and I replied `thanks for being honest, I`ll let you reach out when you feel ready.`.

This made me feel better for a few reasons. I got to the bottom of what I was feeling faster, and I feel like I created my own peace of mind in allowing him to reach out instead of wondering when I should do it.

My adult daughter has untreated BPD. Her boyfriend broke up with her a year ago and they got back together because she said she was pregnant. They've been off and on for the past year. I saw some red flags the entire pregnancy (saying she was at ob/gyn appointments when she wasn't, etc.). Supposedly the baby has been in the NICU for over 2 months and she won't allow anyone to see him. Just found out that the baby pictures she has been showing are of someone else's baby that was premature and in the NICU that she found on another person's social media. She talks about this baby constantly. Saying the dad refuses to go see the baby in the hospital, the baby has an infection, the baby is in isolation so nobody can be with him, she will need a place to live when the baby leaves the hospital, that she's told the people at the hospital to tell anyone asking about him that he isn't there just to keep people away, etc. My question is, do I confront her and tell her I know about the pictures or just keep my mouth shut and let her continue to talk about this baby nonstop?

I had a (sort of) productive conversation with him about intentions, expectations, and needs.

I said that my intention was to support him, and that I don`t have romantic feelings for him. I asked him what made him reach out to me, and he said that he didn`t have to worry about what his girlfriend thought anymore and he knows that I am supportive of him. He said he understood if it was confusing to me because he reached out to me in his time of need. I also expressed that it makes me sad when he blocks me, and that I will need to implement boundaries on my end for how much I can be there for him (but that I will communicate them). I asked him what does he see me as in his life, and he said he`d have to think about it.

I realize this may be an ongoing conversation, but for now I am happy. I can focus on my own goals and friendships and hobbies. When speaking to him, there are so many aspects of what he says that remind me of my own unhealthy ways of thinking from the past. Even how he hopes he can rekindle his relationship, I can relate to that, and see from an outside perspective how that can even be a good motivator at times to make healthy changes. I feel like a cheerleader of sorts.

I felt responsible for the « mother daughter «  conflict and truly hoped to improve the relationship - assumed all responsibility for it- tried so hard to be « good enough” maybe if I could be good enough to fix it.

. Basically if I make myself available - she sees me as useful to her. I have no expectations of her.
 
People say “forgive her”- I have. I don’t hold her accountable for anything - it’s just not worth mentioning.

The shame and sense of failure is real. I’ve been blamed for something I wasn’t responsible for in the first place. As a teen I was embarrassed and afraid that if someone knew about my mother they’d not want to be my friend.

Turkish- your D is 12. She’s an A student. What she’s experiencing may not be « normal conflict »

Reading a book by Daniel Lobel called “When your daughter has BPD” and it’s very helpful.

I have given into my daughter for years to decrease conflict and create peace for years and in my experience it doesn’t help. According to Lobel, this feeds into a lack of frustration tolerance negatively. He calls it feeding the monster. Monster is the illness.  This is sending the message to her that I cannot tolerate her frustration and therefore, neither should she. Which adds to her fears and makes her over reliant on me. Which doesn’t help her and enables. .

I have been firmly setting boundaries for the last few months. And have experienced major lashing out from her and her BPD mom. It’s really tough though. Super hurtful things from both of them. But I’m holding the line. I can’t live like things were. And I’m not helping her and her illness at all by giving in. But it is hard right now. I just remind myself that it is illness and how hard it’s been before too.id rather have healthy boundaries.

Maybe someone else out there is feeling similar things and is on the fence on setting boundaries. Thought I’d share how helpful this book has been for me to follow my new path.

I can empathize with both of you.  My diagnosed stepdaughter is about the same age and apparently needlessly puts herself in sketchy situations.  She's tried selling provocative photos on the internet.  She's attracted to the modeling scene.  She said she's posted videos that went viral.  I can only imagine their content.

I think she's both naive and eager to get attention, and "likes."  In a way, I think she has a childish dream of becoming a princess:  adored by the public, beautiful, with people catering to her every whim. Constant consumption of social media makes this a compelling route.  It seems there are many young "influencers" out there who appear to have everything:  looks, fans, fun and the easy life, supposedly earning "millions" with a few posts.  That would be infinitely easier than having to earn a degree or to work full-time and support oneself as an adult, right?  The fantasy seems irresistible.  And maybe in young people's minds today, a thousand online friends are better than one real-life friend.  But I think the reverse is true.

I think it's taken my stepdaughter some time to figure out that posting provocative photos gets the wrong kind of attention.  I've gently tried to explain to her how the modeling world is exploitative, and that chances of making even a modest living from it are less than slim.  That doesn't mean she's not beautiful.  But I think she had to live the experience, paying hundreds of dollars for photos for her portfolio, to learn the lesson.  And maybe she's just a little slow to learn, because the fantasy is so compelling, and the positive feedback from strangers (e.g. the agency taking her money) motivates her.  To her, the alternative is too painful:  figuring out who she is!  studying!  getting a job!  Reality and adulting seem so hard by comparison.

I also tend to think that the identity of a person with BPD (at least in my stepdaughter's case) is fragile.  She doesn't seem to know who she is or what she wants.  She's afraid of growing up, too.  So she's impulsive and always looking for the "easy" way, overly influenced by external approval (e.g. internet likes).  Her internal compass is unreliable in my opinion, maybe because her emotions are all over the place.

I guess it's natural to become constant worriers.  But I also believe that experience, and failure, are an excellent teacher.  I just hope that it doesn't break her in the process.  I do think that she hears some loving encouragement and advice, but her mental state is such that she won't act on it, because it's too hard for her to take.  Accepting reality is tough, especially so for people with BPD I think.

I do not agree with the author and I do not feel there was any basis for an argument there other than the author's personal experiences.  That's the world we live in today though, as the author repeatedly said, "Far too many..." without giving any basis behind it.  It's sensationalizing a topic that may or may not be true.

I know this worry too, and it is very hard.
We worry about their safety, their self-destructiveness, their futures.
My young twenties daughter sells explicit content on Onlyfans, and how she promotes her content is distressing and shocking.
She received generous financial support from us, so money was not the motivation. I used to torture myself thinking that my often expressed view that pornography and prostitution are inherently harmful for women and girls was a factor in her choosing this. I thought I was safeguarding her with information, but overlooked her persistent need to prove me wrong - about my beliefs, politics and associations.

I have no suggestions or solutions to offer.
Just empathy and understanding.
It is distressing and we wish so much for our adult children to make safer, healthier choices.
You are not alone.
❤️