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 on: June 01, 2024, 01:23:36 AM  
Started by Q1977 - Last post by Tangled mangled
Hi, I'm currently seeking a psychologist regarding my mental health. I'm in a relationship with someone who was BPD tendencies and I'm trying to break this off and leave. My self esteem has been destroyed, I once managed to leave years ago but was manipulated and found myself dragged back into it. I freeze and feel paralysed at trying to speak and get the words out that we need to separate. Has anyone else felt like this? How did they get through it? How did they break it off. I read other articles that talk about people who have already left but nothing about the act itself. Last time I just took off without a word, I couldn't take it anymore and she followed me. I don't think I could do that to her again but for both our sakes we need to end this.


Sounds like you don’t have children involved.
What you did the first time, leaving without explanations would be my preferred choice if I was in your shoes. I’m female going through divorce and can remember being in the state you currently are in rn.
It may sound cowardly and appears immature but ask yourself this one question what did you ever gain from explaining and over explaining your decisions/choices/ actions/ POV to your pwbpd. All that does is give her all the power and control in the relationship. Remember that the end of the relationship would be as chaotic as the relationship itself no matter what you do. Going away quietly would be more effective, costing less emotional stress, and energy.
Explaining is enabling, she was able to convince you to comeback because she had access to you still. I’m sure she’s continued to blame you for leaving previously that’s why you feel it’s wrong to leave same way as you did then. What you did then was effective and this time I would add an extra layer of no access to communication or limited access through email.
Take care and I wish you all the best.


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 on: May 31, 2024, 11:07:27 PM  
Started by HoratioX - Last post by HoratioX
Diagnosing BPD in individuals under age 18 used to be controversial, but that's changed. Diagnosis in adolescents was codified in DSM-V.

In case you might find Dr. Marsha Linehan's story of interest, here's a NYTimes article discussing it. https://archive.ph/EbeNI

Traditional psychoanalysis can actually be detrimental with BPD patients.
Short excerpts from a couple articles:

"The patients that Dr. Stern was seeing appeared neurotic – with intact reality testing – on their first interview, but when they were put on the couch they got worse. Their lives unraveled and they became self-destructive as they were unable to grapple with the intense emotions that psychoanalysis brought up."

"So the prescription was classical psychoanalysis, calling for the patient to free associate while lying on the couch. "At first, she was friendly and cooperative, always on time and eager to talk about herself," Oldham recalled. "She engaged in the treatment and seemed to be benefitting from it."
A couple of months into treatment, however, the patient made an announcement. "She said to me, ‘Here I am doing just what I've always done. I blithely rush into a relationship without even thinking about it, and I don't know you at all. How do I know I can trust you?’"
She began to demand of Oldham information about himself and about his training and blamed him for what she perceived as a treatment that wasn't working. "She became convinced I was keeping secrets from her and told me the problem was that I had been trained in a ‘fly-by-night’ school," he said. "In time, she would become absolutely enraged at me, regardless of what I said. And when I didn't give her an answer she wanted, it became proof that once again she had landed in the clutches of someone who was another disappointment and who might actually harm her."
The treatment and what had appeared to be a promising therapeutic relationship ended abruptly when the patient relocated to another part of the country. For Oldham the case remains an object lesson in how not to treat a patient with BPD.
"Under no circumstances would I treat her today with psychoanalysis," Oldham said."


That's part of what I think happened with my ex. The NPD guy she's now seeing initially offered to act as her therapist (though he has absolutely no training as a therapist). They proceeded with free-association psychoanalysis, and she deteriorated. Then they began their affair. Her BPD symptoms are now far worse than in the years we were together. She believes that her "therapy" with this guy uncovered repressed material that had always been there and needed to be worked on, but the reality is that the pseudotherapy really f*cked her up. And she often does recognize that she's pretty psychologically messed up now. I did subsequently manage to engage her into proper DBT therapy (at a center that works predominantly with pwBPD), but she resisted the DBT therapy and wouldn't do the homework, and then dropped out.
I'm curious -- is the treatment for CPTSD similar? Generalized anxiety?  Do they approach treatment from a shared perspective or so a distinct difference in how to approach the patient?

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 on: May 31, 2024, 09:12:59 PM  
Started by momof3!!! - Last post by Sancho
PS DD will probably fly off into a rant when you first mention anything about the allergies but let that fly past, wait a while and then bring up again!

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 on: May 31, 2024, 09:07:12 PM  
Started by momof3!!! - Last post by Sancho
Hi Momof3
it sure is a difficult situation. As well as the BPD - the blaming etc - it seems as though your dd could have OCD? This makes it harder - if that is possible! - because there are such fixed ideas about their environment etc. The anxiety is so high they control everything tightly and have such fixed ideas that no matter what you say it doesn't shift their thinking!

It's good that you have set some boundaries - and are holding them.

I feel like I am not really the one to make any suggestions because I haven't found a magic bullet to fix my own situation. But for what it is worth, I would probably focus on the OCD symptoms, planning to go very slowly to see if dd is open to changing just a little.

The starting point for me would be asking if she has been diagnosed with any particular allergy and if not would she be prepared to get tested. th

In other words challenging the allergy issue to see how formal this has been. If she hasn't then you can point out that she can't really confine the household to something she hasn't had diagnosed.

If she is willing to get tested and nothing shows up, move the discussion to OCD. There are some good meds for OCD that might make a difference to some BPD symptoms too in that by relieving the anxiety symptoms they can raise the bar as far  as triggers go in relation to going into a rant or becoming angry.

I care for a neighbour who has OCD and it is no easy task to get someone with this condition to get help - but it can make a huge difference.

Re the blaming etc, I would let that float past me at this point in time and see how I go with tackling the OCD aspects that seem to be present.

Just a few thoughts . . .

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 on: May 31, 2024, 08:13:43 PM  
Started by Donna Marie - Last post by Sancho
Hi Donna Marie
Thanks for the extra information. It does all go around in one's head and I think it helps to write it here. I agree with the points you are coming to.

I think 'letting go' at the moment is the right decision - or it's at least what I would do, especially from what I now know of BPD - the more you try to make contact, the more Joe will manipulate dd against you.

I would be relieved that there is an aunt 15 minutes away - even though dd doesn't have much contact with her. Is Aunt your sister? Would it be helpful to have a chat with her re the situation regarding Joe's anger etc? Or would it muddy the waters?

To be honest I would be hoping that the police are doing some follow up on the incident - I think they should because there was a knife involved. The number plate should correlate to a make and model of a car, so they would find out the deception there. If Joe made any threats while holding the knife, I think it's bigger than low grade road rage, and if dd doesn't want to drive with Joe, his road rage must be constant and unnerving.

My mind going around the situation comes to the same point as you - leaving things so as not to inflame things, especially as I feel there is a possibility that events may occur - eg dd wants to end the relationship or there is police follow up/Joe incurs more road rage incidents - that mean there is a new situation.

DD knows you are there - and having the knowledge one person is there, can make all the difference as things unfold.

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 on: May 31, 2024, 08:10:19 PM  
Started by Stephen1999 - Last post by yellowbutterfly
The iMazing app on the Apple store will allow you to export all your texts from an iPhone into a court admissable format (US, not sure about Canada). A time and life saver. Check it out.

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 on: May 31, 2024, 04:28:31 PM  
Started by Mad Dog - Last post by Mad Dog
Thanks notwendy for your insight as a child. Very helpful.

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 on: May 31, 2024, 03:28:20 PM  
Started by Mad Dog - Last post by Mad Dog
Looking for recommendations for re-engaging after a rage. My wife, dBPD, goes into a rage and I leave the room, don't engage, and spend several days keeping to myself, not engaging, and now that I've found this blog, turn to here for re-assurance, advice, and comfort. I also pull "Stop Walking on eggshells" which helps me keep things in perspective and gives me some reassurance. My difficulty is re-engaging at some point after a rage. I certainly am not going to revisit the subject of the rage or even acknowledge the rage. I know from past experience that no good can come from this.

What is the best way to re-engage, things to avoid, as well as things that may be helpful.

Thanks
Mad Dog.

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 on: May 31, 2024, 02:54:43 PM  
Started by CravingPeace - Last post by CravingPeace
(unfortunately the edit function for members was affected in a hack last fall -- functionality only, no security issues. Apparently it is not a fast or easy fix, so feel free to PM any staff member your desired edits for typos/clarity/privacy, and we can help!)

Thanks Kells. I wonder if its people with BPD who get triggered and hack this site.

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 on: May 31, 2024, 02:53:57 PM  
Started by CravingPeace - Last post by CravingPeace
An alert here... is she okay with the kids getting counseling if YOU vet experienced counselors and select one?  If so, then proceed.  However, I suspect she will insist she select the counselor, one who will agree with her perceptions, POV and demands?


Interesting I hadn't thought about this. I would have to suggest this. Currently she was looking for them but having no luck as they are busy. I will make sure I am involved in briefing them. Currently her friends and advisers have told her (she says) that our marriage therapist is unprofessional /biased, obviously based on her one sided story to her multiple advisors (she would not name). I tried to tell her we met the therapist at the same time how could she be biased and unprofessional. She said well I don't know if you had met her before.... I really think she thinks there is some conspiracy going on. The same thing happened years ago when she didnt like the therapist saying she had something wrong. Honestly feeling really sad and hopeless at the moment and stuck.

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