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« on: May 02, 2014, 01:30:04 PM »

I'm having a rough few days and I'm looking to sort things out in my head and get any support I can find.  I wonder if this post is too long?

My family and friends and I think my therapist feel I need to divorce my spouse.  I filed for divorce last fall because he was still having an affair(s) after a year of marriage counseling and wanted to move out.  I told him clearly his heart is with someone else so I wanted him to be able to go.  He said that wasn't it.  He begged me not to divorce him so I put it on hold and while I wasn't seeing improvement in him, I detached from him and I was feeling more stable, happy, and able to focus on me and our kids.  I asked him to move out but because I didn't want our children to live with him and we don't agree on custody so he comes to our house every day, weekend, anytime he wants.  That's my choice and now he's enraged about it.  He had been sleeping here but finally a few months ago I asked him to not because I felt we were playing family when he was still in touch with other women.  (He would be intimate with me and the next day email and twitter with his affair partner.)

He said he had personal issues affecting our marriage and wanted to work on himself.  If I asked how it was going he sometimes would tell me I was controlling his therapy, so I stopped.  He then yelled at me in session that I have childhood issues I'm not facing, that are a problem for our marriage.  My therapist is comfortable with the work I'm doing with her and tells me to remember that my spouse projects.  He said I control him so I made an effort to leave every decision to him. It was weird because I noticed he would ask my opinion on even the smallest choices.  I tried to politely tell him it was his choice, I didn't have an opinion, anything was good, etc.  Our last marriage counseling session he said everything was great, he was really happy.  The counselor pushed us to talk about feelings.  He thought I was angry at him and judging him.  I said I don't judge him anymore, I'm just heartbroken and sad and feel completely rejected by him.  He was dejected after that and became hopeless, then it shifted to angry after I spoke up about him not helping our child with homework (our marriage counselor told me I needed to start speaking up to him).  Now he's disappearing and has told me he needs space to be with whomever and wherever he wants without me knowing.  He wants a formal separation and doesn't think we can reconcile.  All this in emails.

What happened?  I guess I'm setting a boundary that it's too unhealthy for me to have him live here when he's in touch with other women by phone and maybe in person.  I also have said I need transparency to begin to trust him again.  Then again, my therapist told me when I filed last fall that he would first be superdad, then disappear.  Maybe it's not my boundaries?  It's hard and it's scary to be this firm, because now he tells me he won't meet either request, ever.

He seems to act up, too, when I've got positive things happening in my life and am getting stronger.  My therapist has told me he destabilizes me but I'm just now seeing it and believing it.

How do you keep the focus on yourself?  How do you know if the changes you're trying are healthy?  If they are healthy, do they make things in the relationship worse in the long run?  In the short term?  I want to try communicating in new ways but my spouse cuts it off with anger or running away.

This is so hard, I'm tired of the pain. I still hope he'll start getting better.  I want to have a two parent home and I want to honor my wedding vows.  Our marriage counselor says he's not doing the work, and that it will take years for him to get better.  Is he now doing the work, and this is getting bad before it gets better?  I've told him I'll talk things out with him at our marriage counselor's office.  What I haven't told him is he can take the initiative to make the appointment.  Although, my marriage counselor says working to save a marriage when there's an affair is harder on the betrayed spouse so maybe I'll make the appointment.  It's just this has all come at a very busy time for me.  I feel that leaving it up to him to make the appt is letting him take the action to make changes responsibily, rather than sending an angry email to me and me submitting to the changes out of fear or exasperation.

Another thing is I'm sick of the blame.  He often indicates his actions are because of something I have done.  When I'm not hurting so much I can almost laugh about it to myself.  Then again, I find myself reflecting on my interactions with him and if I can change them to help the situation.

Some days I feel so overwhelmed in dealing with the heartache and the future and the day to day stuff.  It's like I start to feel I can handle everything, one step at a time, and then the rejection from him knocks me flat.  Because we have children I know all my problems won't be solved with a divorce, and new ones will be created.  I also feel that I've grown and learned so much in the last 1 1/2 years, and I'm grateful I've had a chance to stabilize things for my kids and see things I couldn't see before.

Why is he so mean  and how do you stay balanced when faced with being rejected by the person you thought loved you?  Especially when it keeps happening over and over?  How long will this last?  Will he burn himself out and stop being so mean?

I've become very isolated but over the last few months have been reaching out to people.  Some are women who have gone through this and they keep telling me I'll be happy once I divorce him.  It's not like I think all my problems will disappear if we divorce.  And I'm not perfect and I didn't see our problems before they came to this point, so I don't think I'm blameless in this situation.

What do you do to get through the pain when he strikes out so that you can get on with the positive things in your life?  I'm so tired of my day getting interrupted by crying and sadness and fear.
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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2014, 10:57:10 AM »

Hi Ulysses,

I'm having a rough few days and I'm looking to sort things out in my head and get any support I can find.  I wonder if this post is too long?

some questions are easy to answer: Yes, the post is too long for a post that typically elicits a lot of responses. No, the post is not too long, you have to write what you have to write some times and even if it is just for yourself and nobody can tell you otherwise!

My family and friends and I think my therapist feel I need to divorce my spouse.

This is a recurring theme in your posts. You are feeling under great pressure from that side. Families have their way of looking out for the best for you - whatever they consider it to be. Same goes for therapists although the latter usually tend to throw decision making back at us. What makes me wonder a bit that you feel so much under pressure from that angle.

You wrote that your H is a sex addict but then on the other hand it also looks like you had a longer marriage without affairs. Also he started another relationship and was not sleeping randomly around. While there may have been unusual sexual aspect to that affair it does not sound like sex addiction. Borderline can take many, many faces. A lot is driven by fear of invalidation and need for validation.

PwBPD often form very deep and long lasting bonds and struggle to detach. You see it right now with OW but the attachment he has with you will be stronger considering the duration and children. This does unfortunately not prevent him from acting irrational and self destructive. Involvement of his parents in his affair is most unusual and calls into question his as much as their common sense.

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He seems to act up, too, when I've got positive things happening in my life and am getting stronger.  My therapist has told me he destabilizes me but I'm just now seeing it and believing it.

Of course he feels threatened and invalidated when you change. It would be natural to feel also fear of being abandoned considering all what has happened. These times of change are hard on pwBPD. Being aware and using plenty of validation of these emotions can help to bridge the time until the new normal is established.

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He said he had personal issues affecting our marriage and wanted to work on himself.  If I asked how it was going he sometimes would tell me I was controlling his therapy, so I stopped.

So he is in individual therapy? That is an important factor in bringing about change. Although it tends to take a while to take hold and the first months are often accompanied by even more confused behavior. In that sense it can get a bit worse for a while and it is important not to get baited into his mental chaos until it is sorted out. Discussing and finding agreements with him in this state is a bit a futile effort that may add more to the overall distress than it is worth it. Focusing on yourself, boundaries and validation may be the best for a few months.

You are pushing on a lot of fronts for change and you are feeling exhausted. Maybe Ulysses was wise that for a short while he restricted his options, got himself tied to a mast and simply did listen?
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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2014, 12:40:14 AM »

Thank you anOught from the bottom of my heart.  I'm grateful for your words.  I was thinking more of James Joyce's Ulysses,  but I love the mental image your words elicited.  I do feel that's my position, and I'm choosing it, but it's so difficult.

My H is the one who told me he thinks he's a sex addict.  I have no idea, although he's told me that for years he's flirted with other women when he's unhappy with me/we have an argument, and watched pornography when I'm out of the house (for over 20 years, and I had no idea, he hid it from me).  That's his to work through, I'm just not going to trust him at this point in time for my own physical safety. 

Yes he's in personal therapy, with a therapist who blogs about how he himself was diagnosed a narcissist sex addict whose wife left him because of infidelity.  Go figure.

I think it would be easier to listen to the siren song and not react if we didn't have children.  Now he doesn't tell them when he will/won't be home, so many evenings they ask me, "where's dad?"  So I'm trying to figure out how to address that in a healthy way without appearing to badmouth him.  I don't want to hurt my kids, and I don't want to be accused of alienating him.  I've asked him twice in emails and twice in person to come with me to our counselor and he says he doesn't want to talk about it.

He used to be boiling with an undercurrent of rage.  Now when he's home he won't look at me, won't talk to me, and mostly lays on the couch.  I need to turn the focus back to me and every week take positive steps for myself.  I'm happy with the things I'm doing for my kids, although the doubt creeps in when he criticizes my parenting.
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