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Author Topic: If BPD's hate to lose an attachment why do they go NC ?  (Read 713 times)
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« on: August 18, 2016, 09:05:30 AM »

 And why are their behaviors worse after every rc?
Has it to do mostly with your being a trigger.I think I understand various reasons why they end
the relationship but why the nc.
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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2016, 09:47:08 AM »

And why are their behaviors worse after every rc?
Has it to do mostly with your being a trigger.I think I understand various reasons why they end
the relationship but why the nc.

Because they found a new person to latch on to?
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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2016, 11:18:28 AM »

It could be guilt, shame, your a trigger, theyve met someone else etc etc.

I look at this behaviour as childlike. Imagine a child that has done something wrong. They hide from you rather than face responsibilty.

imagine a child that has a new friend. They stop talking to the old friend as they have something new and shiny to hold onto.

imagine a child that is upset with a parent. They give them the silent treatment even if they are in the wrong. The parent could have told them off or just said its time to go home and stopped their fun.

Why they go nc could be a number of reasons.
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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2016, 11:37:13 AM »

Hi William3693,

I would not say that people with BPD (pwBPD) "hate to lose an attachment."  What they do is exhibit "frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment."  That is, they are afraid of being *abandoned* to the point that they will imagine it happening even when it is not.

To be abandoned, one needs to be depend upon that person who abandons. You cannot really be abandoned by a stranger or an acquaintance. And one escape from being abandoned, is to be the first one to abandon. If you are the abandoner, you are not the abandonee.

When pwBPD are not in a position to leave first (i.e. have someone to leave to) then they will be frantic to prevent you from leaving them; and so this looks like they don't want to lose an attachment. But once they are in a position to leave first, and strongly (though perhaps wrongly) believe that you will leave, then they will leave you and eventually go no contact.

And why are their behaviors worse after every rc?

I believe what is happening between each recycle, is first they get overwhelmed by their imagined abandonment (i.e., they are convinced you will leave them) but after breaking up, we convince them that we never intended to leave them (because we didn't) and so they come back.

The crux of their issues is that for pwBPD, feelings of intimacy/familiarity are a big trigger for their fear of abandonment. So the closer they feel towards us, the more they feel their disordered fear that they will be abandoned.  So after reconciling, the level of closeness and intimacy cranks up and they feel that they will be abandoned even worse than before. The next break up happens.  The next recycle happens.  And their disorder feelings only escalate (but only after oscillating between idealization and devaluation).  

In short, because the level of intimacy and familiarity increases which each recycle (i.e. the more time you spend with them), their disordered feelings only escalate, and so their behaviors get worse.

I think I understand various reasons why they end the relationship but why the nc.

To understand how pwBPD can go NC, you'll need to understand what it means to "lack object constancy." Lacking object constancy is like not having any "emotional memory."  When pwBPD are attached to one person, they can't "remember" how they once felt about someone else. There is a giant thread on the third page of the "Questions about BPD and BPD resources" titled "BPD BEHAVIORS: Lack of Object [Consistency]" that might be helpful to read in order to better understand this aspect.

They go NC because while they have someone else to need, it's almost like we emotionally cease to exist for them. The bottom line is that for pwBPD, they attach to people differently from how nonBPD people attach.

Best wishes,

Schwing
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« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2016, 03:55:20 AM »

Thanks for the explanation schwing, it explains a lot, however it is hurtful to accept you didn't mean that much for them on an emotional level.

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They go NC because while they have someone else to need, it's almost like we emotionally cease to exist for them.

This seems to be whats happening to me, what happens afterwards. She is now probably still in the idealization phase with my replacement, which was to the best of my knowledge an affair. Do we pop back into their mind and care, or is it only the memories they have had for us.
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« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2016, 04:28:24 AM »

My exs both went on about their exs. Were never forgotton. My exgf would go on about all their good points. No doubt by now she may be boring her new partners with my good points.
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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2016, 05:02:22 AM »

I wouldn't know, mine painted her ex husband quite black, but from what I've seen on paper he wasn't very caring or loving, had issues of his own. I have been nothing but good to her, only kicked her out of the house immediately after I found about the affair and the lies (bigger deal to me). Haven't heard a blip since, total NC from her side. Guess dealing with it is too shameful for her or the r/s didn't mean a lot.
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