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 on: May 15, 2024, 09:46:30 PM  
Started by kells76 - Last post by GaGrl
And I 1000% agree that SD18 had her reasons so as to be "free" to leave. Bulls-eye.

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 on: May 15, 2024, 06:29:41 PM  
Started by tina7868 - Last post by jaded7
I think you nailed it there in your description about him having put you in a silo in terms of just being there to offer support and then he leaves again once he feels better. That's a pretty powerful realisation.

And it's definitely not a true friendship either – imagine if one of your actual friends treated you that way? Came running when they were down and asking for your time and energy, but refused to engage beyond that, and blocked you every now and then when they felt like it. We simply wouldn't tolerate that from our friends.

It's helpful I think to remember that what someone with BPD is actually looking for is the perfect parent - they are trying to solve or soothe something from their childhood, and their relationships are dependent on someone else meeting the needs of this immature, wounded, underdeveloped part of their brain. It doesn't actually matter what your needs are, as long as you are fulfilling this role. So no, that's not the true definition of a mature romantic love, or anywhere close to it.

Aside from the fact that it feels good to you to be able to support and help, he's not actually meeting your needs at all, so I'm glad that you're seeing it through this lens, as painful as that is.

Sometimes we have to see things from different angles in order for them to settle into us properly... we can know all the things logically and still not be ready to integrate it and accept it and truly leave it behind...

I've been through a similar realisation with my just in the last week. I'll maybe post on it separately another time, but I had the same lightning bolt... he simply didn't and doesn't love me in the same way I loved him. Even though he was the one proclaiming all the amazing things about love forever, soulmates, and never letting me go, he was simply trying to stop himself from being alone. His love for me was never about me. It hurts a lot, I really do get it... to be unseen and used for what you give rather than who you are... that's not love.

Even if he does have some realisations in the coming weeks or months, which might potentially happen if he is on his own, and you're now seemingly leaving him as well... so be prepared?? But even if he did have all the realisations, the question is does he have the emotional maturity or skills to ever have a relationship where you are appreciated for who you are? And there is reciprocity and interdependence? If you try and project beyond the here and now, which is a painful game of cat and mouse... being in a relationship with someone with BPD traits is most likely going to be a painful and exhausting, and one where your need are unlikely to be important.

Really thoughtful response seeking. thank you for sharing this.

And Tina, you are doing such good work. It's inspiring. What a great community we have here.

This response mad me think of th time in my early relationship, very early on, when she cried and said "will you take care of me?". I of course said yes, but knowing all I know now I think it's related to what seeking says here about having a parent who magically knows your needs without you asking, who gives up everything in order to 'take care' of you, who doesn't get frustrated with you, etc. My therapist told me that if I ever have a partner who says that to me to just run.

Good work Tina and Seeking.

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 on: May 15, 2024, 06:17:59 PM  
Started by AppeaseNoMore - Last post by ForeverDad
Usually when the Blaming, Blame Shifting and whatnot ramps up there's triggers that can be identified.  Could this have started about the time you started couples therapy?  This is different than individual counseling in that now the therapist is getting not just her perceptions but also the other side too.  Is she being called out on some of her claims and grudges?

She's Blaming you for just about everything she sees wrong, you're her Whipping Boy, so to speak.  She gets herself upset, you get punished.  William Eddy wrote a book, "It's All Your Fault!"  He's also the author of our most essential BPD divorce handbook, "Splitting: Protecting Yourself While Divorcing Someone with Borderline or Narcissistic Personality Disorder"

Likely if you separate and end up divorcing, she will mount an even more extreme distortion campaign - against you - to TRY to make you look worse than her as a spouse and especially as a parent.

So do NOT delete your recordings.  You already know that deleting anything will not suddenly make her a calm person henceforth.  Your clips are a part of documentation you may need in the future, proof that she's not a poor helpless victim as she would claim but instead an aggressive and angry accuser demanding her way.

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 on: May 15, 2024, 06:10:10 PM  
Started by Mom2Two86 - Last post by Sancho
Hi Mom2two86
I am so glad you have a team you can take this to. It is beyond distressing and you must surely be at the end of your tether. What you describe sounds to me like the BPD part of your dd's issues. Interesting that my dd threatens to 'smash my face in' in her rants against me, wishes me dead, can't wait till I die etc.

In my dd's mind I think she has morphed with me and uses me to blame for everything - because her self is so fragile she can't bear to acknowledge in any way that the issues are within herself.

My dd has co-morbidities and it seems your dd has also. This creates a huge complication.

Given the extent of the threats I wonder if a period of hospitalisation could be enforced? The problem is of course that to get to this happening is quite a process.

i hope your team can take over here in some way and relieve you because there needs to be some kind of intervention for everyone's sake.

Thinking of you . .

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 on: May 15, 2024, 04:45:30 PM  
Started by JazzSinger - Last post by JazzSinger
I don't know what the dynamics are between you, but Karpman triangle dynamics helped me to understand what was incomprehensible behavior on the part of my BPD mother when my father was ill.

BPD mother ( and I think this applies to most with BPD) takes victim perspective. My father's main role was rescuer/enabler. His being ill decreased his caretaking behaviors- and with this shift in dynamics, BPD mother's behaviors escalated.

His being ill was a form of temporary "victim". It surely wasn't his choice or fault, he wasn't doing it on purpose, but from BPD mother's perspective- she was in victim mode and so, other people could only be rescuer or persecutor. It was as if she perceived him as some kind of competition for her position and if he did it on purpose. I also wonder if she felt somehow abandoned in this situation since he wasn't as attentive to her as usual.

You could apply this to your situation. You asked your H to pick up your medicine, but he's tired and his being tired is him being in victim position. You are supposed to be caring for him, not the other way around.

You have every right to your feelings and to be angry. I hope this helps you to see his behavior isn't personal to you. But also to see that he may not be someone you can rely on if you are feeling under the weather. I hope you feel better soon-




NotWendy,

Thanks so much for sharing about the Karpman Drama Triangle.  I just started reading about it. My husband is often the victim, and I’m the rescuer. But lately, I’ve been engaged in more self care, as well as setting firmer boundaries.

I know he’s of little to no help to me when I’m under the weather.  I’ve learned to operate like a single person, mostly relying on myself, my health care providers, and my friends, when I’m sick. 

I am feeling better today. Thank you for asking.




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 on: May 15, 2024, 04:31:01 PM  
Started by JazzSinger - Last post by JazzSinger
The general observation here is that over time the poor behaviors (cycling, rants, rages, criticisms, etc) gradually increase over time.  It still cycles between less bad and more bad, but over time it typically worsens.

That's why my marriage ended.  (Well, there was a big trigger too, we had a baby and that changed everything, including morphing me from seen as a husband to seen as a father.  Too bad her stepfather had messed her up badly.)  We started out fine, with 'only' minor issues but over the years it gradually got worse.  More and more triggers developed.  Adding the baby was a nice try but was too much for her.  Sometimes it seemed she had to choose between our child or me... and I lost.

ForeverDad,

Thanks so much for sharing. It really helps.

Indeed, my UHWBPD has gotten worse over time. And because he’s getting older, I’m seeing signs of dementia as well. It has become sort of a trigger too, because he’s aware of it.  I dare not say to him, “Don’t you remember…”
It’s tough.  Today, he’s calm. I’ll see how long it lasts.

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 on: May 15, 2024, 03:49:57 PM  
Started by kells76 - Last post by livednlearned
I was thinking about the timing of all this. My son's psychiatrist used to say he was trained to believe that there are few coincidences.

Meaning, maybe SD18 needed to tell her safe parents what was happening with the not-safe parents so she could go on her trip and be a young adult.

SD16's behaviors suggest the sunlight on her situation was a net positive.

If stepdad and mom were unified, maybe they would double down on alienation behaviors but there is a point where it's hard to argue with a reality that the kids experience and affirm.

My step kids have a similar dynamic. Big alienation stuff they mostly shrug off at this point because they have enough sense of self to judge for themselves. It's the more subtle alienation that pains me. Their parents have been divorced long enough they can see who is safe, consistent, sanitary, thoughtful. But BPD mom sets up loyalty binds that have a hint of alienation without being full-blown. We planned a trip for all the kids and their partners to gather this summer and BPD mom planned an elective surgery the day before the trip. Coincidence or not, she makes sure the kids pay attention to her when they're with us.

Maybe a bit of that goes on with SD16. It seems like it would be easy for BPD mom to point out why it's better/easier/faster/smarter to stay at her house. She might not say outright that you and H are murderous unicorns because that card no longer plays, so she tries a different one that achieves a similar result.

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 on: May 15, 2024, 02:24:31 PM  
Started by PurpleRain24 - Last post by livinnlearnin
Hi PurpleRain24,
Your post really resonates with me and my relationship to my uBPD mom. I’m wondering many of the same things, and will be following this thread to see other more experienced members’ responses.

I’m sorry I can’t really add any helpful suggestion, but I hear you and empathize with your situation fully.

On Mother’s Day (predictably), I had a big fight with my mom that left me feeling extremely angry and bitter. She called the next day to “see how I was” , but, as always, there was zero acknowledgement of her role in the misunderstanding or apology for her irrationally explosive behavior.
From what I’m gathering here at the forum, BPDs are shockingly oblivious to how their behavior affects others, perhaps especially loved ones. If anything, people seemingly on the margins of their relationship spheres seem to get way more attention and thought (disproportionately so), whereas those “closest” to them must completely put aside their own feelings and needs to accomodate BPD’s every whim, childlike temper tantrums and attention-seeking outbursts.

Put simply, it sucks and is extremely emotionally draining. It literally takes me days to recover. It all hurts so much, especially when you realize it’s coming from your OWN MOTHER.
Best of luck with everything, I wish you well  Virtual hug (click to insert in post)

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 on: May 15, 2024, 01:50:21 PM  
Started by kells76 - Last post by kells76
Picking up SD16 at Mom's in the a.m. has been going OK. I just sit in the car and text her when I get there. H did go up to the door and knocked the other day; Stepdad answered the door, called for SD16, and shut the door on H. At least H could laugh it off. And it doesn't seem like Mom or Stepdad are trying to "convince" SD16 that "she doesn't really want to go with us". I don't know why not; that's what they'd usually do in the past.

We all went to a school event for SD16 last night. We saw Mom & Stepdad across the hall, waited for them to go in the room first, then went in and sat on the opposite side of the room. Stepdad was his usual self, center of attention/super loud. H said that Mom looked rough. SD16 did come up to us and chat a bit -- wasn't doing the "if Mom is here then I'll pretend I don't see you" thing.

H has been texting with SD16 to plan some trips this summer. She is really excited about a couple of them and has given input about when she wants to do them. So that's positive, that she still wants to do things with us. I am coping with lots of anxiety about how this weekend (when she should be with us) she said she wants to spend all day Friday, plus Friday night, at Mom's (Friday is all-grades prom at school, and Saturday she has a midday extracurricular event). I can kind of talk myself down by putting myself in her shoes -- she said she wants to get ready at Mom's and plus she has her event stuff (a lot to lug around) at Mom's. The fear is still there, that she's just coming up with plausible excuses not to spend the night at our place, or that after her event on Saturday, she'll say something like "Can I just go back to Mom's, I'm really tired" or something. I am working to get in the headspace of "whatever she and H work out is cool with me" -- it's H's parenting time so if he's good with something then that's his deal.

Overall, I really have no idea what to expect at any moment. I am 1000% looking over my shoulder and waiting for the other shoe to drop.

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 on: May 15, 2024, 01:31:19 PM  
Started by UnknownPleasures - Last post by tina7868
Hello UnknownPleasures  Welcome new member (click to insert in post)! Thank you for sharing your experience with us. I am sorry for the circumstances that brought you here, but glad that you found us and took the brave step in sharing your story. Here, we `get it` when it comes to experiencing relationships that have left us baffled, frustrated and confused. You are not alone, and it can get better from here.

It sounds like you have been through many ups and downs with this individual. You were understandably frustrated, and hurt, from being on the receiving end of hot and cold behaviour. Something that I remind myself of is that when someone behaves in this way, is that it has more to do with them than it has to do with you. It`s a reflection of his own limitations and emotional baggage. That`s not to say that he is a bad person. You are not wrong in having feelings for him, loving him, wanting to be there for him. He himself, in all likelihood, is navigating life with an impairment that won`t go away without serious and ongoing therapy. It is unfortunate that you were on the receiving end of the manifestation of his symptoms, but you can learn and grow and understand yourself through this experience, and you deserve to be loved and respected.

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I hate that things ended so abruptly - that I blocked him and then he blocked me. I want to write him a handwritten letter to let him know what he meant to me, that I love him like a friend, and that I accept he isn't right for me romantically. I don't want him to feel I abandoned him. I don't expect a reply.
Is this a bad idea? Should I just leave the parting as it was - uncomfortable and abrupt?

It`s understandable to feel unsettled by the abrupt ending of things. I also think it`s good for you to pause (as you are doing!) and understand your motivations before taking action.

I do think that writing a letter can be beneficial. However, what would sending the letter bring you? What if he does reply to you? Where do you see this relationship going?

Remember that, ultimately, closure is something that we give ourselves. Very rarely is the person who hurt you in the position to help you move on. That is even more so the case when that person is unable to navigate their own emotions.

Looking forward to reading your reply. Take your time, be patient and kind with yourself  Way to go! (click to insert in post).

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