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 on: March 23, 2026, 04:24:57 PM  
Started by campbembpd - Last post by campbembpd
Have to get this off my chest. Just had the most insane conversation. Okay not the most insane but wow… stbx comes home & wants to talk for a minute. She tells me she talked to M, her cousins husband and one of my best friends. He actually gave me a heads up earlier but she starts talking to me about money and how she had no idea I was so stressed and strained with finances. He called her out on a lot of stuff and shes talking to me like she had no idea how bad it was for me. She didn’t know I was so tight. If I would give her a chance she wants to start helping to pay off debt and put her money in the joint account. She asked me to pause this divorce talk for a while and to just give her a chance.iniept calm and told her while finances are a major issue that isn’t the only thing. Even if that was fixed tomorrow there are a lot of other problems, and she knows it.

Part of me is seriously tempted to say yes and hang on for a couple of months to get some help but no way. Can’t do it.

I had to leave the house for a while. I’m actually pretty upset/angry over the conversation. Ive posted here a LOT about some of the financial problems. Like OMG, can you take less responsibility?? You didn’t know? I cried about money! Every single time I sat down to discuss a budget she raged. I told her we were $75k in debt and needed to pay it down, she said she didn’t care about the debt. She blamed it on me, and kept wanting to spend money year after year on vacations. Even this year before I told her about the divorce she wanted to plan 2 vacations this year despite me saying I had no money to put towards anything and wouldn’t book a trip unless we saved for it. . Any attempt to cut back expenses was met with dysregulation. And when I tried to talk about needing more money from her to help out she said on many occasions if I need more money I need to get a second job.
 

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 on: March 23, 2026, 03:08:00 PM  
Started by campbembpd - Last post by ForeverDad
We here in peer support know you will proceed respectfully.  So do your trusted friends and family.

However, our otherwise excellent qualities include our sense of niceness and fairness.  And they are excellent .  But when dealing with a difficult protracted relationship now heading toward divorce, it is wise to assess how nice or how fair we ought to be.

We know you won't be nasty.  (Domestic court wouldn't like that; and besides, that's not you.)  But on the other hand we don't want you to be taken advantage of.  You may think "I ought to be generous" when negotiating because court will like that.  The reality is that court doesn't give credits.  You will find that court is more like a referee, it would rather the litigants decide between themselves.  It allots a half hour to a hearing and then on to the next case.  Your stbEx won't reciprocate any generosity, so that's also not a basis to be overly generous.

Essentially, proceed fairly but do question yourself if you find yourself pressured or guilted to be overly fair or overly generous.  You might want to do a thought experiment, stepping outside the box and looking back in with a neutral perspective... Picture yourself five years from now - long past the angst and distress today - if you would look back and agree with the decision, then it's probably a good decision to make.

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 on: March 23, 2026, 02:52:03 PM  
Started by campbembpd - Last post by campbembpd
Seeing the switch to this "persona" is eerie. I have seen it too. While in this situation, it's with you, it isn't only with you.

Self image is important to a pwBPD, as they want to be seen in a good light. I think this is true for most people- we are more formal in the workplace and with co-workers than we are at home. We put our best foot forward in situations like job interviews. However, what we present to others is still genuine, still us.

With the pwBPD it can be so strangely different, surreal. You also know that real change isn't instant. Someone with alcohol addiction doesn't just stop like that. Someone with BPD doesn't recover like that. They can pull themselves together for short periods of time, when highly motivated by external circumstances. Internally, nothing has changed.

This feels surreal because it's not real.

The smear campaign is a part of this. That the marriage is not intact, can't be her fault. So it has to be yours.

When I began having boundaries with my BPD mother, this couldn't have been "her fault" so the smear campaign followed. Her extended family aligned with her.

In my own experience, while you can confide in a few trusted people, for me, trying to counter this with my own narrative would have only reinforced this. I would be seen as badmouthing her. Her family already believed her narrative. However, I believe that truth prevails and so kept silent with them. Eventually, they experienced her behavior for themselves.

In addition, they were supportive to her. She needed them. It was better that way. So if your wife's family, and mother are there for her, then it's a good thing. You can have your own support system too. That they believe you are some kind of ogre might feel hurtful but- that isn't something you can change anyway.

The kids will be OK. It may be a challenge going through it but because you are taking care of you, having boundaries, you can "be there" for them in a way you were not able to before. While I believe you were there for them in the best of your capacity, your stbx wife also has taken a lot of your focus. Once through this, you can have more capacity for you and them.

You will also eventually have control over your finances, and be able to make decisions for your resources. Finances may be tight for now, but without the constant spending, you will be able to build your reserves in time.

If the smear campaign involves your children, I believe they will understand in time. Your stbx will still be their mother, always. You will be able to be of support to them as they navigate this relationship as adults, and also be able to provide for your son's needs.

I wish you the best in this process.


Thanks NW. A lot of wisdom here. My therapist says based on my reports she sees a lot of NPD traits in my wife as well. Image is so important to her. She wants to look like a victim to everyone outside the home and make me look like the 'bad guy'. She wants to appear like the loving, perfect wife who is making all these changes and efforts in our home and to the kids so I look like the guy that's tearing the family apart.

My kids I think will be okay. My daughter 100% is open with me and she's been the target of abuse and seen the reality. She knows mom tells distortions sometimes. For example I was trying to de-escalate one night and leave the house. I grabbed a backpack and was trying to exit while my wife blocked me and pushed me screaming. My poor daughter (I think 18 at the time) was seeing the whole thing. While my wife was pushing me and I was doing nothing but holding onto my backpack my wife started yelling at me to stop hitting her! I said what are you talking about and my daughter crying at her said the same thing, it was so sad to hear her craying and say "what are you talking about mom, dad isn't doing anything, you're hitting him!". Makes me sad to remember that awful stuff.

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 on: March 23, 2026, 02:44:06 PM  
Started by campbembpd - Last post by campbembpd
Hi there,

It's impressive that you're executing on your plans to separate.  I understand the whole process can be destabilizing, and even seem surreal sometimes.  You've got this community for a "reality check" if you need it.

The thing that gets me about your wife's reaction is her apparent ability to "pull herself together" when she wants to, to try to get what she wants.  I've seen that with the pwBPD in my life.  I can't help but feel like the BPD behaviors--lashing out, extreme moodiness, petulance, entitlement, meltdowns, etc.--seem to some extent intentional.  It's like she has the power to decide when to reel it in, and when to let it all out.  Maybe we all decide that to some extent--when to be on our best behavior, and when to let our guards down.  But with BPD, it sometimes seems calculating, and always self-serving.  But you know from decades of experience, that this won't last long.  Without therapy, she doesn't have the stamina to keep it up, and she'll revert to her usual habits soon enough, maybe as soon as she realizes, you're serious.  She plays games, but you don't.

As for the smear campaign, I think that's her victim mentality shining through--she's always the victim and won't abandon the narrative.  Sometimes I think that the victim narrative is core to her identity, because if she's not the poor abused victim, then who is she?  She tells herself (and anyone who cares to listen) that she drinks because she's victimized.  She tells herself that you are abusive, controlling, selfish, unloving--these are in all liklihood projections of how she treats you.  I suspect you understand this, but I'm writing it so you see it for what it is and don't start to doubt yourself.

All the best to you in this next phase.

Yeah I don't think she can keep it up. I think she was advised by family or perhaps a lawyer to stop drinking. It helps her not lose it easily but it's really hard to see her not spiraling at some point... Could be tonight. She doesn't yet know I have actually hired a lawyer. She is still in denial. Making promises to do anything, has apologized for some behaviors, prays, but it's a bunch of bologna Laugh out loud (click to insert in post). I'm getting reports even today of people hearing things from her about how she's scared of me! How I've controlled her our entire marriage. A lot of nasty stuff... Thankfully I have a few important people to me (including a couple in her family) that know the 100% truth and have my back and have set the record straight to those that will listen. The others don't really matter as I probably won't see them again.

Could see her spiral after tonight. I'm going to talk to her again and just reiterate that I'm still moving forward, I have a letter drafted from my attorney to give her so this will make it 'real'. It will be very interesting to see if she's able to maintain the helpful, amicable and sober front after this. From then it will be her choice to either disclose financials to each other and try to come to a settlement or I file and we move forward. I believe it will be the latter.

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 on: March 23, 2026, 01:42:23 PM  
Started by telephoneauthor - Last post by Notwendy
In some family systems with a pwBPD, the issue isn't a lack of compassion for the pwBPD. It's the lack of it for the other family members and the children growing up feeling they don't deserve it.

Their self worth is contingent on being useful to the pwBPD. They are put in the position of emotional caretaker when they are still children themselves.

I agree that compassion and forgiveness are worthy goals. However, for an adult child who grew up in this kind of system, they've possibly been doing this, hoping that if only they are good enough for the person with BPD they might receive some kind of redemptive response in return.

Sometimes though, if something happens that shakes our own perceptions of the pwBPD and other family members, we may not have the emotional reserves at the time for giving more to the pwBPD. Compassion, forgiveness- for the pwBPD, this is possible later, but we can also believe we can extend that to ourselves too. This is possible when we don't keep looking to disordered people who can't provide it to give it to us. When this happens, we can extend compassion from a different emotional place than FOG.

But first, we need to process our feelings, reach out for support and compassion from people who can provide it, and do some self care. It doesn't mean we don't help others or extend care, but we can include ourselves in that care. This may be a new experience and something we have to learn.

Telephoneauthor- it's OK to permit yourself to feel what you feel. It might just be rage, anger, and grief at this point, and if so, that's OK.

You are deserving of compassion, being treated with decency, and have integral self worth that is not contingent on what you provide for your sibling with BPD.

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 on: March 23, 2026, 12:04:08 PM  
Started by campbembpd - Last post by Pook075
There’s been a strong push for reconciliation—prayers for our marriage, kindness, warmth, talking about repairing things, acting like everything could still be okay. At the same time, there are moments where I can feel tension building underneath, like things could flip quickly. It's been like bizarro world though.

I am somewhat surprised that you posted in the "conflicted" category and honestly, I commend you for it.  All of us had a part of our minds that hoped for some path to resolution and I think you're taking the best possible path to lead to a positive outcome. 

As you said, either the new behavior continues or it doesn't, and the "smear campaign" is par for the course as she tries to grasp what an end to the marriage would actually be like.  It sounds like she does want things to work out but at the same time, she's already preparing for when it doesn't.

My only advice is to stay the course.  If there was ever a time to build healthy boundaries, it's today.  She says she wants it to work, let her show that while you meet her halfway.  Helping with dinner, with getting the kids off, etc are all positive steps.  And while I agree with others that it "surely won't last", we don't know that for a fact.  Meet her at a safe distance and see where it ultimately leads.

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 on: March 23, 2026, 10:25:46 AM  
Started by campbembpd - Last post by Notwendy
Seeing the switch to this "persona" is eerie. I have seen it too. While in this situation, it's with you, it isn't only with you.

Self image is important to a pwBPD, as they want to be seen in a good light. I think this is true for most people- we are more formal in the workplace and with co-workers than we are at home. We put our best foot forward in situations like job interviews. However, what we present to others is still genuine, still us.

With the pwBPD it can be so strangely different, surreal. You also know that real change isn't instant. Someone with alcohol addiction doesn't just stop like that. Someone with BPD doesn't recover like that. They can pull themselves together for short periods of time, when highly motivated by external circumstances. Internally, nothing has changed.

This feels surreal because it's not real.

The smear campaign is a part of this. That the marriage is not intact, can't be her fault. So it has to be yours.

When I began having boundaries with my BPD mother, this couldn't have been "her fault" so the smear campaign followed. Her extended family aligned with her.

In my own experience, while you can confide in a few trusted people, for me, trying to counter this with my own narrative would have only reinforced this. I would be seen as badmouthing her. Her family already believed her narrative. However, I believe that truth prevails and so kept silent with them. Eventually, they experienced her behavior for themselves.

In addition, they were supportive to her. She needed them. It was better that way. So if your wife's family, and mother are there for her, then it's a good thing. You can have your own support system too. That they believe you are some kind of ogre might feel hurtful but- that isn't something you can change anyway.

The kids will be OK. It may be a challenge going through it but because you are taking care of you, having boundaries, you can "be there" for them in a way you were not able to before. While I believe you were there for them in the best of your capacity, your stbx wife also has taken a lot of your focus. Once through this, you can have more capacity for you and them.

You will also eventually have control over your finances, and be able to make decisions for your resources. Finances may be tight for now, but without the constant spending, you will be able to build your reserves in time.

If the smear campaign involves your children, I believe they will understand in time. Your stbx will still be their mother, always. You will be able to be of support to them as they navigate this relationship as adults, and also be able to provide for your son's needs.

I wish you the best in this process.

 8 
 on: March 23, 2026, 10:22:09 AM  
Started by campbembpd - Last post by GaGrl
I see the slower, step-by-step approach you are taking to have the most chance for successful resolution. It is very similar to the way my husband approached the divorce from his uBPD/NPD then-wife. By that point, she had moved out, into a house that she bought in her name only, with her boyfriend of five years. She had offered a divorce any time he wanted. Even then, the reality of the divorce resulted in a nine-month negotiation of her unreasonable/illogical demands.(For example, after agreeing that she would buy the family house, she assumed that their daughter and grandaughter would continue to live there, and she wanted child support for them -- daughter was 24 and working.) Her emotions were all over the place, and yes, there was a smear campaign.

Just be prepared for whatever might arise.

 9 
 on: March 23, 2026, 09:06:03 AM  
Started by campbembpd - Last post by CC43
Hi there,

It's impressive that you're executing on your plans to separate.  I understand the whole process can be destabilizing, and even seem surreal sometimes.  You've got this community for a "reality check" if you need it.

The thing that gets me about your wife's reaction is her apparent ability to "pull herself together" when she wants to, to try to get what she wants.  I've seen that with the pwBPD in my life.  I can't help but feel like the BPD behaviors--lashing out, extreme moodiness, petulance, entitlement, meltdowns, etc.--seem to some extent intentional.  It's like she has the power to decide when to reel it in, and when to let it all out.  Maybe we all decide that to some extent--when to be on our best behavior, and when to let our guards down.  But with BPD, it sometimes seems calculating, and always self-serving.  But you know from decades of experience, that this won't last long.  Without therapy, she doesn't have the stamina to keep it up, and she'll revert to her usual habits soon enough, maybe as soon as she realizes, you're serious.  She plays games, but you don't.

As for the smear campaign, I think that's her victim mentality shining through--she's always the victim and won't abandon the narrative.  Sometimes I think that the victim narrative is core to her identity, because if she's not the poor abused victim, then who is she?  She tells herself (and anyone who cares to listen) that she drinks because she's victimized.  She tells herself that you are abusive, controlling, selfish, unloving--these are in all liklihood projections of how she treats you.  I suspect you understand this, but I'm writing it so you see it for what it is and don't start to doubt yourself.

All the best to you in this next phase.

 10 
 on: March 23, 2026, 08:23:28 AM  
Started by Kind of Alone - Last post by BPDstinks
Hi!  I found NAMI to be very helpful (I refer to the very large handbook they gave me as my bible)!  I also recommend the book, "Stop Walking On Eggshells"; after MUCH research, I found a therapist who specializes in parents of children/young adults with BPD; she is helping me "learn" it is okay to have "joy" (I always feel guilty....how can I be happy when my daughter does not speak to me...)

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