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 on: December 04, 2025, 03:30:58 PM  
Started by thankful person - Last post by thankful person
Thank you all for the encouragement. Anonymous 22, that is an interesting perspective. I think it goes deeper than that as in my wife never identified with any role before becoming a mother. She was always jealous of me playing the piano, creating, reading, writing… because she had no hobbies. Also she had always been jealous of my work despite the fact that she had a few jobs before having kids but struggled to maintain them. I think one reason she reacted positively was because she had had a good day at college. (This doesn’t mean she won’t screech and scream about this exact occasion at a later time… she will have stored it up as ammunition to use if needed). But my wife going to college has been very good for her, to get out of the house and spend time with other people. Her first term has been incredibly successful despite the fact that I’ve helped her lots and lost work over this too due to having to prioritise her needs because I want and need to support her. Her story is inspirational and maybe only now I’m actually impressed because she has been offered a place at uni next year conditional on passing the course. I mean, she’s had a poor education, no qualifications, recently diagnosed moderate/severe dyslexia, clearly has mental health problems, plus four kids under 7, one still breast feeding, two still co-sleeping and they will not let her study not for a moment even once they’re asleep. I’ll give her that… she’s doing well, and also clearly identifies with the paramedic role she is chasing. I really want that for her. I guess that will also be validation of her needing to feel needed.

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 on: December 04, 2025, 03:23:15 PM  
Started by thankful person - Last post by ForeverDad
I believe that that is the BPD, the extreme control in whatever they can control, because she wants the kids to need her so they don't abandon her.

There are so many aspects to the Borderline disorder, and neediness and control rank right up near the top.  If she went with her perceptions, she might admit she "needs" the kids.  A normal perspective would be to reverse it, the children need their parents.

 13 
 on: December 04, 2025, 02:22:36 PM  
Started by codeawsome - Last post by Me88
That's a great way to put it. I often thought it was like being with someone who has that medical condition where they can't hold a memory for long and have to constantly re-learn everything.

The sheer illogicality of BPD was the biggest problem; nothing ran 'normally' as you'd expect it to - ie if you're nice to them then they're bound to be nice back to you. If I could turn the clock back I'd still meet her... but knowing what I know now I woudn't have kept chasing her for four years; her first BPD outburst after a few weeks would have been the last.

Funnily enough, I still have a feeling that I will meet her again in person though.. and when I get feelings like that they often come true. I still have a mental picture of her aged 32, when I last saw her. She'll be 70 next year!

predictably unpredictable. zero logic. I wouldn't meet mine again, but that's because it started so bad; she was engaged, was flirting with me, her fiance found it, I understood and dropped her. I didn't know she was engaged. But a couple months later she came back saying she left him. We literally started dating immediately, she hadn't even moved out yet. I made sure she did. Sex immediately, literally. Shouldn't have been blinded but I was single for a year before meeting her. And looking back, literally NOTHING would have regulated her. Those goal posts moved so fast they could win a gold medal. I pray I never see mine again.

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 on: December 04, 2025, 02:13:41 PM  
Started by codeawsome - Last post by Under The Bridge
From what I experienced, the slate is always cleaned at every turn.

That's a great way to put it. I often thought it was like being with someone who has that medical condition where they can't hold a memory for long and have to constantly re-learn everything.

The sheer illogicality of BPD was the biggest problem; nothing ran 'normally' as you'd expect it to - ie if you're nice to them then they're bound to be nice back to you. If I could turn the clock back I'd still meet her... but knowing what I know now I woudn't have kept chasing her for four years; her first BPD outburst after a few weeks would have been the last.

Funnily enough, I still have a feeling that I will meet her again in person though.. and when I get feelings like that they often come true. I still have a mental picture of her aged 32, when I last saw her. She'll be 70 next year!

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 on: December 04, 2025, 12:35:41 PM  
Started by thankful person - Last post by Anonymous22
Great job!  I have a little bit of a different opinion as to what is going on.  Your wife has identified as being a mom for several years now.  That is what she identifies as, a mom.  Being the one who works outside the house, you identify with your profession, educator.  When a coworker has a question, they come to you; when a client of yours has a need, they come to you, etc.  It would be strange if one of your clients went to some one of a different profession as you to ask a question that should be directed at you...ie. if one of your clients asked the mail carrier to teach them how to play a song on the piano.  IMHO, this is how your wife is feeling.  In her opinion, she is the one who knows best about the children, because she is Mom.  I don't think that she doesn't think that you are their mom or is controlling the "mom" role, I just don't think that she aligns the same responsibilities to you that she does with herself, because of what she identifies herself as.  This may not be the correct thing to do, but at a lesser level than your wife, I think that this happens often when one parent works outside the home and the other stays home with the kids.  I do think that she has taken some of this over the top, like when the kids are not allowed to look at pictures without her, etc, but I believe that that is the BPD, the extreme control in whatever they can control, because she wants the kids to need her so they don't abandon her.  With her starting school, her emotions over this could be over the top, as she is not always around for your kid's every move any longer, so she could be trying to push this on the kids more, but that's a total guess!  I have found that with my uBPDh, if there is something like this I have decided to just do what I feel is normal, if he freaks out, I walk away and bring the kids to our room to read a book or something distracting.  If he comes in while I am distracting he kids and tries to start in with them around, I say this will NOT be done around the kids and then ask them if they want to go get ice cream.  The more that I do said thing, the more that it becomes "normal", for the most part!  Though, I will say that my uBPDh can not deal with me leaving the house to work and even though I have done so since we met, he has always freaked out every time I leave for work in the morning...it makes for great weeks let me tell you!   

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 on: December 04, 2025, 12:23:29 PM  
Started by JP1214 - Last post by Me88
yet again, yes! I’ve had the I have to walk on eggshells around you comment thrown at me. Me, the person that she says is so laid back if I was any more laid back I would be horizontal. The person she accuses of not caring when she just confuses that with emotional security. The person that never had a go at her about her behaviour. Never used to twist her words out of proportion.

I could t behave the way she does if I tried. I know this, because I tried. So in retrospect it is probably just as difficult for the disordered person to act in an acceptable manner.

It never really made sense to me. Some topics, I just don't want to discuss and they upset me, sure. But everyone has those moments. She sure as heck had plenty of things that were off limits with us, and that's ok to me. I simply didn't want to have an argument about every single thing. Literally. She would start fights at every corner and I'd get frustrated and bark back, so that meant she was on eggshells. My words to her were, pick your battles. Don't you think there are little things that you do that annoy me at times? I just think about it in my head, and move on. I want to be happy and not always fighting. And yeah, every single thing was twisted into me somehow attacking her character. She told me in the beginning my calm demeanor in arguments kept her grounded...well, grounded was screaming at the top of her lungs, finger in my face, insulting me, cursing at me.

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 on: December 04, 2025, 12:01:59 PM  
Started by Heretoheal - Last post by CC43
Her BPD first appeared her freshman year of college when she had relationship issues with her roommate's and had to move several times as she could not seem to get along with anyone. It was always the other persons problem. She was her best self fall of her sophomore year as she was happy with a boyfriend, and studying hard that she could transfer to his school in the spring. But when spring rolled around, they broke up and that’s what sent her off into her first BPD spiral.  She quit going to class she was drinking every day started taking drugs. She would call and scream in a rage I have never witnessed. She managed to finish this semester, but we brought her home that summer so we could keep an eye on her and try to get her some professional help.  The week before her junior year started, she went through another break up and that’s what sent her over the edge.  She took a huge handful of Tylenol while we were on vacation with our extended family. We rushed her to the hospital and spent the next five days in a hotel of the while they pumped her stomach and checked her into the Pysch ward.. We debated allowing her to return to school that fall, but the psychiatrist said it would be OK as long as she attended regular therapy sessions, checked in daily, etc. So we decided I would stay with her for the first week to make sure she was OK to stay. The second night I was there she was ready for me to leave so she decided to call the cops on me. fortunately, once I explained to the police why I was there they allowed me to stay, but I ended up leaving the next day.  It only got worse from there.  We would visit her and take her out to a nice dinner and she would claim that we said something negative about her, and abruptly leave dinner and tell us to leave .  After that, we started receiving hateful texts or phone calls out of the blue to start a fight, usually in the middle of the night. Then the risky behaviors started one after another, basically all of the choices you would never want your child to make.  Of course, we bailed her out every time.  She started cutting family and friends out of her life - anyone that she disagrees with or feels they’ve somehow wronged her in some distorted way.  Fast forward to this fall.  A few weeks ago, we came in town for the college homecoming weekend. It was to be her last one as she’s a senior.  We had planned this for months with another family. The morning of the homecoming weekend she called and started a fight with us and told us not to come.  She didn’t want us there and threatened to harm herself.  Of course we came anyway, and went to all the planned activities that we had purchased tickets for,  but she would not join us at any of the events. We didn’t know how to explain to the other family except for that she just wasn’t feeling well.  We tried to stop by her apartment on our way out of town to help jumpstart her car and she flipped us a bird and told us to get the F out of there.  The following week she announced to us that she was not going to come to Thanksgiving.  I thought for sure she was bluffing.  But she wasn’t. And that’s when it really hit me. I feel like I’m losing my daughter. I totally felt your pain when you were talking about what to tell people because I saw a lot of friends and family over the holiday and they all asked about both of my children and when they were coming home. I immediately got emotional and overshared a few times.  I’m in survival mode and can’t control it.  Now I am feeling extreme guilt and shame for sharing/exposing our family drama.  So I scheduled my first therapy session yesterday, but I didn’t feel like it was useful. I  told her the same sad stories I already knew with no feedback.  I am hoping this group will help serve that purpose. Love to all.

That story sounds extremely similar to my adult BPD stepdaughter's experience--getting kicked out of rooming situations, blaming others, feeling aggrieved and bullied by everyone, despairing after a break-up, having her stomach pumped, failing classes, needing bailouts, refusing to see parents at homecoming, cutting off communications, isolating herself at holidays, self-medicating with illicit substances, losing all her friends, lashing out in fits of rage, the whole works.  Yet in my stepdaughter's case, doctors recommended that she focus on therapy for a time, instead of returning to college.  But she threw a fit, and her dad relented, allowing her to re-enroll against everyone's better judgment.  It was no surprise to me that she dropped out a few weeks later.  This cycle happened repeatedly, and each iteration seemed worse than the prior one, until my dear stepdaughter hit bottom and really committed to therapy.  I'm glad to say she managed to turn her life around, and though there have been some setbacks, generally speaking she's back on track, and her life looks much healthier now.

BPDGrief, that your daughter made it to senior year, in spite of her BPD issues, is commendable.  I think if she can manage that, she can manage just about anything.  She's still young, BPD doesn't have to derail her entire life if she gets the right therapy.  I hope you don't lose hope.  Here you will find all sorts of stories, so you won't feel so alone, and maybe you can get some useful tips, too.

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 on: December 04, 2025, 11:23:29 AM  
Started by Heretoheal - Last post by BPDstinks
Hello, BPDgrief (similar to BPDstinks!) may I say, sorry for you, also....I overshare, all the time!  One of my very best friends is living the exact life I wanted (her daughter just started college, my friend visits, etc.) (about this time, years back, was the last time my BPD daughter was very happy (or so we thought!) and I tell my friend, outright, while I am happy for her, I AM jealous, to which, she says, she is sorry she did not realize the issueS, the point being....people seem to be open to the explanation (though, I know, unless ONE explains it, BPD is a mystery (I have all kinds of pictures on my phones of definitions, that I share with very close friends; my husband is in complete denial & so sad, that is just breaks my heart; I hold onto the hope that she will just "come around" one day, hence, why I see my BPD therapist, to "be ready" as I acknowledge my (I have anxiety issues of my own!) personality does not mesh with her BPD!  (My therapist is Susan Toner, she does ZOOM!) please hang in there!

 19 
 on: December 04, 2025, 11:05:43 AM  
Started by SnailShell - Last post by zachira
It can be terribly frustrating how a person can make it look like he/she is at the top of the world in everything and how so many people buy into their false image. Sometimes the false image eventually gets exposed so most people know about it, and a lot of times the work the person does to fool most people makes it look like this person has really made it. Sometimes the best strategy can be to distance ourselves as much as possible from a former close partner or family member and the people who surround him/her, as the war to make themselves look good and anybody who has stood up to them look bad never ends. These type of people work endlessly to recruit their supporting flying monkeys to gaslight any close former partner or family member who has exposed them. We only can continue to value ourselves and make better choices about who we choose to associate with. I have personally distanced myself from most of my close family members, as I realize they will always be stuck in promoting their toxic narcissistic public image, whereas I now enjoy the simple things in life more than ever and worry less and less what people think of me.

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 on: December 04, 2025, 10:40:14 AM  
Started by codeawsome - Last post by Me88
why do you believe this?

This is a tricky point. Because as we all know, there was idealization and amazing times initially. When they were head over heels for you, it was 'real'. They thought you were flawless and all felt real. As soon as they realize you're a human and make mistakes, the love/hate starts.

So while it was 'real', it wasn't ever anything permanent. From what I experienced, the slate is always cleaned at every turn. Good things are erased and bad things are never forgotten. For something to be real, my mind tells me it should be constant. While I'm so angry with how I was treated, I don't regret the love I gave and showed.

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