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 91 
 on: October 18, 2026, 01:46:21 PM  
Started by xios - Last post by ForeverDad
Many members here have "been there, experienced that".  That was my exact situation two decades ago.  It was a trial by fire but I came out the other side with a more peaceful life.  Believe me, there is a better path forward but you have to make preparations, seek meaningful support, seek improved communication skills, and use time-tested strategies.

First question, is she getting meaningful therapy from a therapist who has used Dialectical Behavioral Therapy (DBT)?  The problem is that many people with BPD traits (pwBPD) are extremely resistant to meaningful therapy.

Even if she resists therapy, that doesn't mean that you can't seek a counselor for yourself. As my divorce lawyer said, "Courts love counseling."  Even for the children.  When I separated, my ex surprised me by starting our 3 year old in play therapy.  This is very unusual, but she was trying to accumulate negative advocates in her campaign against me.

I recommend William Eddy's Splitting: Protecting Yourself While Divorcing Someone with Borderline or Narcissistic Personality Disorder.  He is a lawyer, mediator and is familiar not only with the illness but also the legal pitfalls and conceptual traps when entering the legal court system.

My sadness comes mainly from my shattered dream of having a happy family, wife and kids in the same house.
We even had plans for a second kid of ours after some time.

But I have to look at her, how she actually is, right now, right in front of my eyes, and how she got worse over the years, instead of my dreamed up version of her where she is what I want or suddenly becomes what I want.
She hit me.

I really love being with my toddler every day.
This pains me the most. That I will no longer be with my kid daily.

The best advice I can give is to avoid any more children with her.  Right now your child is of an age, if divorce is the future, for daycare and soon preschool, kindergarten and regular school.  (That would reduce mother's leverage to claim, "I have babies, I can't seek work.")

Also, many BPD mothers are exceedingly possessive of the children... while simultaneously dismissive of the father.  (My divorce had virtually no financial issues - except she did want me to support her - but the custody issues and parenting schedule turned it into a two year process.)

From one of my prior replies...

She is escalating.  Unfortunately that is a common pattern we see here.  It's almost like she is pushing boundaries, as in extinction bursts, or perhaps seeking more ways to vent herself.  Either way, it is not something to ignore.

Does she have gainful employment, even part time?  The kids are all school age so she doesn't have an excuse she has to stay home and parent all day.  Even if her contributing to the family's income is not urgent, it ought to help her feel better to be keeping busy.  And if she is working, should there be a divorce, then she would have documented an ability to have her own income.

My ex too, in our final years together, would make repeated threats to either disappear with our toddler or to divorce.  I don't believe she truly planned to do so but she sure vented it.  Our son's first sentence, at breakfast after mommy stormed off to another room, was "Mommy bad."  I've always assumed he meant "Mommy feels bad" but I took it to heart that it truly impacted our son.

Your children are surely impacted too.  We don't tell our members what to do, that decision is yours alone.  We share our collective wisdom, which general approaches work and which don't, and what we've found to be helpful skills and insightful strategies.  With that in mind, here's a post I've made in years past.

All throughout our lives every comment seems to pressure us to believe that remaining together is better and a better example for our children than separating.  However - and this is a huge however - that is when the two adults are reasonably normal adults.  Throw in acting-out (harming others more than acting inward onto self) disorders and that usual advice may need examination.

There is no single fix that resolves all the concerns.  However, there are partial solutions that can improve circumstances.

Excerpt
Living in a calm and stable home, even if only for part of their lives, will give the children a better example of normalcy for their own future relationships.  Staying together could mean that's the only example of home life they would have known — discord, conflict, invalidation, alienation attempts, overall craziness, etc... As the saying goes, "I'd rather come from a broken home than live in one."*  Ponder that.  Taking action will enable your lives, or at least a part of your lives going forward, to be spent be in a calm, stable environment — your home, wherever that is — away from the blaming, emotional distortions, pressuring demands and manipulations, unpredictable ever-looming rages and outright chaos.  And some of the flying monkeys too.
* Solomon's Children - Exploding the Myths of Divorce, page 195

 92 
 on: October 18, 2026, 01:41:01 PM  
Started by PlanB - Last post by PlanB
I moved in with my mom 4 years ago to take care of her. She is 78. In 2019 I lived in an addition I built onto her house for 10 years. My father suddenly died in 2012 after years of struggling with my Mom who has multiple personality disorder (now called  dissociate identity disorder - I may have that wrong because I never use the new title. This mental disorder is from childhood sexual abuse and physical abuse at a very young age and all throughout her life. She now also has Borderline Personality disorder and Narcissistic Personality Disorder.  When my father died, she began verbally attacking me, and all the things that goes with that. Sh tried to evict me twice even though I was not a tenant. But it caused a lot of trauma. She went to the courthouse and asked for a protection order, that was filled with awful lies. At 1am, 5 police officers escorted me out of my house with only the clothes I was wearing. I had to check into a hotel. My son was in college studying abroad when this happened. We finally came to an agreement that she would give me $83k for my 120k I invested with the addition. So I had to move into an apartment for me, my dog and my son when he returned from college.  My Mom and I were estranged for 3 years. When my son had a medical issue, I had to call her and tell her and that was the beginning of us talking again.  Jumping ahead, we agreed that I would move to Delaware from Maryland and she would pay all bills, except my own bills, and I would contributed $800 month towards bills. It should be noted that I can’t work, the last time I worked was 10 years ago. I am currently on 14 medications. I will try to post about my issues on another post. Anyway, since I moved here to care for her, she has threatened to kick me out twice. She has threatened to change her will many times, including the house we are living in. I have so much PTSD from her impulsive destructive behavior. I lost a lot of money in lawyer fees. I have no taxable income. I get alimony and money from a judgement. About $1700 month. I’m on Medicaid which just got harder to qualify for.  Some of the things I do for her: all grocery shopping, all cooking meals and cleaning up, I do her pills every week and keep track of refills etc., ( which I do mine as well), I make and drive her to all her medical appointments. She refuses to see a therapist ( I have a weekly therapist). I have had to learn so much about her disorders, it has been helpful, I feel these books are my life story. 10 years ago a friend told me “You can’t have a reasonable conversation with someone with mental illnesses “. I think of this daily, sometimes more than daily, because it is so true. I’m struggling. There is so much more but I’ll try to post more at a later time.

 93 
 on: October 18, 2026, 01:01:37 PM  
Started by Alz123 - Last post by ForeverDad
PwBPD traits can be said to typically start their relationships in an idealization phase in which they put their best foot forward, a natural human trait.  But they can't do it indefinitely, eventually cracks appear and some of their facade shows through.  A goal is to make you feel more obligated to the relationship.  Two common methods are to marry or have a child together.  That raises the level of obligation.  How many people arrive here lamenting they feel stuck in order to "stay for the kids"?

BPD F.O.G. = Fear, Obligation, Guilt

 94 
 on: October 18, 2026, 08:07:38 AM  
Started by Alz123 - Last post by zachira
It is so painful to fall in love with a person, marry that person, and then find out at some point that the person you married isn't who you thought he/she was. You question what was real and what were perhaps manipulations to get what he/she wanted which was you. Your heartbreak is real and will be for a long time.

 95 
 on: October 18, 2026, 07:26:25 AM  
Started by Foolingmyself - Last post by Foolingmyself
This is much more than anybody should have to handle. If the only way you can engage with life is to write about your despair, then please do that.  We are always here. Just keep putting one foot in front of the other.  Those steps will become bigger with time.

Thank you. I am structuring my weeks with activities so that I don’t have idle time to ruminate over things. It’s helping.

 96 
 on: October 18, 2026, 07:25:03 AM  
Started by Foolingmyself - Last post by Foolingmyself
I am so sorry.  I've walked the same road with a BPD kid and grandkids being cut out of my life.  Luckily in my case, if was my non-BPD daughter (with the grandkids) that I had a falling out with for a time and we were able to mend that.  It was all over things the BPDs in my life said though, so I definitely understand.  It's a gut-punch.

The way you remake your life though is simple- you get busy living.  That means fall into old and new hobbies.  That means spend quality time with friends and family.  That means get moving, regardless of what you're doing, so you're not sitting around feeling hurt and broken.

For awhile, you'll have to 'fake it till you make it'.  I've been there and didn't know if I'd survive it.  But time does heal all and this too will lose its sting.


I kept thinking this morning about the phrase “I am reclaiming my time.” I know this is what I have to do and I am working at it. Each day is getting a bit easier in terms of the immediate shock loss of my own mother. I have stopped the intense crying phase and I am putting myself back together. Thanks for the support.

 97 
 on: October 18, 2026, 01:13:20 AM  
Started by Alz123 - Last post by Alz123
Have you decided on a course of action after he leaves? ie are you going full no-contact 'Never want to see or hear from him again' or would you still like some contact in the future? Needs careful thinking about - you might still want to be friends but a BPD will see that as 'still interested' A totally clean break is often the best, especially in view of the fact that your relationship has only been for a couple of years but would you be able to stand by it and not be dragged back into re-engagement?

No I haven't decided. It feels too painful at the moment. I looked through our wedding album yesterday. Only 2 years ago we were so happy. I was so happy. Unlike my first marriage I had no doubts at all. I had no idea he was keeping secrets and lying to me all along. I do not recognise the man I'm sharing my house with today.

I know that no contact (as best we can when we need to sort a divorce) is best in theory but my heart can't go there yet. I feel so broken today

 98 
 on: October 17, 2026, 04:20:54 PM  
Started by GrumpyHusband - Last post by CC43
Hi Grumpy,

Welcome to the group, I'm glad you found us.  That your therapist and you suspect BPD is likely for a very good reason.  Though BPD is on a spectrum, many of its themes are predictable:  the erratic emotions, seeing things in black or white, feeling slighted at every turn, the seemingly endless traumas, the fear of abandonment, the low self-esteem and plaguing self-doubt.  Some associated behaviors are typical here:  sudden, angry outbursts that seem unwarranted and/or over-the-top, impulsive quitting (jobs, relationships), volatile relationships (estrangement from family, loss of close friends, interpersonal conflict at the workplace), and assuming ill intent in others, bordering on paranoia.  Sometimes I think it comes down to having very thin skin (figuratively of course), which means she feels everything intensely, and she also has trouble healing from her wounds.  She has a tendency to dredge up ancient grievances, picking at her scabs over and over again, rather than deal with the present.  She has difficulty controling her emotions, which really shows up in important relationships, and often in her work.  I think that's because she experiences life as an endless series of traumas, and so she has a trauma-based, fight-or-flight response to ordinary situations.  Does all that ring any bells?  I think it's classic BPD, even if your wife is probably high functioning, given her certifications and professional stature.

One thing that stands out in your post is your mention of things getting worse in the last year, making your life a living hell.  I'm wondering, what do you think might have changed?  In my experience, big changes and/or increased stress in general can be a BPD trigger.  Granted, a period of unemployment can be stressful for anyone, if only for the uncertainty and lack of a structured routine, not to mention the loss of income and lack of "purpose."  By the same token, jobs can be stressful, too.  Maybe your wife's job was too demanding, and she felt incapable and insecure?  Or maybe there were other changes, such as a sibling having a first child, and she feels insanely jealous?  Or maybe a sickness or death of someone close to her?  Or a move; maybe her parents sold her childhood home, and she feels "abandoned," even if you or I wouldn't bat an eyelash over that?

Anyway, one thing I've noticed with BPD is that oftentimes, accusations--especially baseless accusations--are really projections about their own insecurities.  That's because they are ruminating so much about something, that it's always top of mind, and so that theme emerges as projection when they engage with you when emotions are running high.  If you listen for the feelings behind what your wife is saying, sometimes you can catch a glimpse of what is really bothering her.  I can't help but notice that she's accusing you of not loving her and being "abusive" when she doesn't have a job.  To me, that might be code for, "I feel worthless when I'm not working, I'm useless and a failure, I don't even know who I am anymore, I'm unloveable."  What I see are themes of deep insecurity.  What you could do is reassure her.

It may be that your wife's job or hours are just too stressful, because she spends so much mental energy thinking about supposedly "toxic" coworkers instead of focusing on doing her job.  I agree with you that there are difficult coworkers everywhere, but unless they report to you, there's probably little you can do about them, and the best course of action is to focus and be professional at all times.  Yet your wife just might not be able to handle this.  Maybe she needs fewer hours, or to work on smaller teams, or maybe as an individual contributor?  I find that pwBPD typically need extra downtime, because the stress (and insecurity) they feel in a work situation is super-sized.

Having written that, no matter how much you want to help, you can't control or cure BPD.  That's in your wife's hands.  The only person you control is you, and how you respond to your wife's behavior.  I'd say, if your wife's meanness and accusations are stressing you out and riling you up, you need to take a break.  You can say as much, "This is stressing me out, I need to get some air."  That way, you give yourself a break to calm down, while at the same time, you give your wife extra time and space to get control of her emotions.  In addition, here we recommend not to JADE, short for justify, argue, defend and explain, when your wife is in a state of emotional distress.  That's because JADEing deals with facts, while your wife's currency is emotions.  When she's raging mad, she can't process anything you have to say anyway.  You wait until she's calm to bring up any facts, OK?

Again, welcome, there are many members here with experience and ideas.

 99 
 on: October 17, 2026, 03:18:23 PM  
Started by GrumpyHusband - Last post by GrumpyHusband
To elaborate a little more on what has been going on:  My wife constantly accuses me of psychological abuse.  She has a number of interconnected themes that she dwells on that make up a rather complex and oftentimes totally irrational story about how I marginalize her, insult her, fail to support her, hate her, etc.  One of the overarching themes is her employment.  Since we have been married she has had at least 12 jobs, never for more than a year, always quitting because of various slights against her at work.  Now, my wife did not grow up in the U.S. and speaks English with an accent (she also has several professional degrees and certifications, and she is very good at what she does).  I believe her that she has experienced some very unpleasant and toxic coworkers.  My suggestion has always been to learn how to coexist with these people, since you will find them in any job and they cannot always be avoided.  In short, this has led to her belief that my sense of her worth is tied to her employment:  if she has a job, I love her and treat her well, if she is unemployed I mistreat her.  This is an article of faith for her now, and nothing I do or say can seem to overcome it.  In fact, she has repeated this so much I almost believe it myself.  Is it true that subconsciously I really don't value or love her?  Can she see my feelings better than I can myself?  It is a source of confusion for me.

...more to come...

 100 
 on: October 17, 2026, 02:43:32 PM  
Started by GrumpyHusband - Last post by GrumpyHusband
I love my wife.  She is sweet, intelligent, beautiful, and loyal.  We have been married for 12 years, and have been in counseling for about 9, on and off.  But the last year in particular has been a living hell for both of us.  Last week our therapist recommended Stop Walking on Eggshells to me (alone) and it has blown my mind.  My confusion has lessened, but it's not gone.

1)  When I go through the diagnostic checklist as dispassionately as possible, she scores about 8 or 9 hits.  12 is cause for concern, 16 is grave.
2)  Some of the symptoms are spot on (sudden violent anger).  But some seem to be the exact opposite (doesn't seem to be afraid to walk away, potential divorce has been brought up many times recently).
3)  How can I know if she really has a problem?  Maybe it really is me, like she says?  Or both of us?

Anyway, I'm looking forward to learning more.

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