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Children, Parents, or Relatives with BPD / Son, Daughter or Son/Daughter In-law with BPD / Re: my daughter insists things that never happened are real
on: November 19, 2025, 12:45:39 PM
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| Started by sunnierdays100 - Last post by BPDstinks | ||
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I feel that as time (going on 3 solid years) passes, I appear non-chalant, in my discussion, however, that is only because (I see a therapist who specializes in parents of children with BPD!), after 2 years, I decided I want joy in my life....I am tired of being sad! I work very hard to my mental health; I have made it clear the door IS open....I think what is most befuddling, if pwBPD does not want to be with ME, I must accept that, however, her father, sister and beautiful nieces did nothing....to add more oddness to the mix, she now associates with my mother (her grandmother) who she once despised and begged to have nothing to do with (I AM grateful for that association, as my mother fills me in on pwBPD (though, my mother insists is is not BPD, just an "attitude" (despite documentation stating otherwise,
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Children, Parents, or Relatives with BPD / Son, Daughter or Son/Daughter In-law with BPD / Re: my daughter insists things that never happened are real
on: November 19, 2025, 12:37:12 PM
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| Started by sunnierdays100 - Last post by TheNana | ||
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That is also familiar! Others have voiced I was too "Lax". I let them at a young age have a lot. I encouraged independence and strength. I birthed 3 males and I always feared that there would be difficulty with identities because I was an unwed single mother.
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Relationship Partner with BPD (Straight and LGBT+) / Romantic Relationship | Detaching and Learning after a Failed Relationship / Re: "I wanted to know why I´m not enough for you"
on: November 19, 2025, 12:29:19 PM
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| Started by NamelessMan - Last post by NamelessMan | ||
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Hi there, My read of the situation is that your ex misses you, or maybe she just misses being in a relationship and getting attention. But because she has BPD, she is has a few traits and habits: *She's extremely insecure *She creates drama and volatile relationships everywhere *She feels she's always a victim and blames others for causing her problems *She's easily upset and triggered, and she actively looks for (or invents) reasons to be upset about *Her thinking is generally negative (assuming the worst of others and herself), as well as highly emotional, which manifests as disordered and seemingly illogical thoughts So "conversations" with her tend to devolve into false accusations and circular arguments. She seemingly deliberately misinterprets whatever you say in your defense, because she sees everything with a negative lens, and she'll project ill intent onto you, no matter what you do. Even if she initiated a break-up, she has a victim mindset and will blame you nonetheless, and she'll concoct some irrational rationale, too. It may be that she LIKES arguing with you, because that way she gets your attention. For her, negative attention is still attention. If she's really vindictive, she might try to PUNISH you for making her feel bad, in a misguided attempt to make her feel better. For pwBPD, her distorted thinking might make her believe that causing others pain will ease her own, or at the very least teach you a lesson, so that you get a sense of the pain that she's feeling. You might be reminded to avoid JADE, which stands for Justify, Argue, Defend and Explain. When someone with BPD gets riled up, their emotional brain overtakes them, and they can't think rationally. If you JADE when they're like this, they feel misunderstood and get even angrier, and they can spin out of control. Sometimes the "conversation" can devolve into a tantrum. Cue the storming off and silent treatment for an extended period. She'll never apologize, because in her mind, everything is your fault. She's really insecure and she'll always think you like other women more, no matter how much you reassure her. Just my two cents. Thank you for your comment. It was extremely frustrating. Now matter what I did or said, it was me the one who didn´t love her enough. However, she was still friends with an ex ( I found out later)and she even gave him cakes that she made for Valentine´s Day, all while she was with me. How am I suppossed to feel about that? I wrote in another post how was the second breakup and it was after I called her out for her inadequate behaviour. She said that I disrespected her when I said that her reactions were not normal (because they aren´t) and that she needed help, help that I can´t offer because I´m not a mental health professional. I feel like I carry a stone on my back since the day I said that. I feel horrible about myself |
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Relationship Partner with BPD (Straight and LGBT+) / Romantic Relationship | Detaching and Learning after a Failed Relationship / Re: "I wanted to know why I´m not enough for you"
on: November 19, 2025, 12:22:21 PM
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| Started by NamelessMan - Last post by NamelessMan | ||
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This is the repeating cycle - the hamster wheel - and no doubt has happened in all of the five previous relationships she's been in. Sadly it doesn't change, no matter how much we think that we will be 'the one' who makes the difference. BPD's excel at taking things out of context and especially creating whole fictitious stories around totally innocent actions. This is their insecurity. You talk to another girl, however innocently, or even get caught looking at someone in passing and a whole fantasy is then created by the BPD that you're up to no good. It's totally draining to try and cope with this and make them see reason, because they simply can't see it. We can't control their thought processes and their own 'world'. You eventually realise that you're in a repeating cycle and nothing you do can change it. It took me four years to finally realise this; I'd hoped for a miracle change in her which never happened - in fact, she got worse. As PeteWitsend says, it eventually comes down to choosing to remain in the cycle which, without professional treatment, will happen again and again or putting yourself first and letting go totally of what was a toxic relationship that didn't benefit anyone. Thank you for your comment. I didn´t expect her saying that, but she finished the exchange claiming that no, that both of us were the problem. I don´t know if that would make her feel less miserable about herself or what exactly. She calls me out of nowhere making another crazy story up, accussing me of being into other girl that I´ve never talked to, but she is able to end the conversation saying that I´m also the problem. It´s nonsense. [\quote] BPD's excel at taking things out of context and especially creating whole fictitious stories around totally innocent actions [\quote] Yes that happened a lot. For example, I once got a 7.5/10 in an exam and I wasn´t happy about it because I do need more to apply to a scolaeship in the future. When she asked me I told her how I felt, that I wasn´t happy with my grade. Two days later she got mad at me because of that I said. She claimed that I was calling her stupid and a retard because she get 7s/10 quite often, so I´m saying her grades are crap etc. It was draining, but she did believe everything she said and nothing I said in my defense could change that. More importantly, there was no turning back when those ruptures occured |
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Relationship Partner with BPD (Straight and LGBT+) / Romantic Relationship | Detaching and Learning after a Failed Relationship / Re: "I wanted to know why I´m not enough for you"
on: November 19, 2025, 12:12:21 PM
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| Started by NamelessMan - Last post by NamelessMan | ||
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Well, first of all, you're trying to understand the thoughts of a disordered person, and because you have an "ordered mind" you're taking the things she says at face value, and trusting she means them, when in reality, it's anything but that. Case in point, consider this part of the exchange: So a second apart, she's saying she's not enough for you, but then claiming you want to be with her? How could she be seriously thinking she's not enough for you, but then stating you want to be with her? After a while, I started to realize that pwBPD use conflict as a means to an end. I.e. they're not interested in actually making sense and resolving anything, they're using their words as a club to beat you into submission. The intent is to put you on the defensive and get you apologizing and confused over which end is up, so they can "rewrite" your memory and force you to accept the reality they want. This next exchange, GAH! This brought back painful memories for me. I've been in two relationships like that, where I was trying to talk, and they'd take one word I said out of context and use that to derail the conversation. It's insidious! And it's so frustrating... it's the opposite of trying to "work things out." I think, along the lines of what I was saying earlier, it's an attempt to keep you on your heels, and reacting to them, rather than zeroing in on what the hell their problem is, and why they can't articulate anything consistently. If you do manage to ignore the attempts to derail the conversation and pin them down on the issue and their behavior, you'll likely see them escalate - e.g. interrupting what you're saying to start screaming at you more or less incoherently until you shut up, or they'll hang up, or run away. You're never going to get them to admit their behavior was the problem. You have two options here: ignore her (politely or impolitely, it doesn't matter), or keep running on this hamster wheel everytime she reaches out or attempts a recycle. But if you choose the latter, at least understand that it's not going to change. "This time" is not going to be different. Thank you for your comment. I don´t really understand what was the point of that phone call. She hasn´t called me again since that day and my head just ruminates about everything. I don´t want to go out, I don´t even go to class anymore because I´m scared. Putting one foot at my university spikes my anxiety through the roof. I feel horrible and disgusted when I look myself in the mirror. After all I did, I was painted as someone who can´t listen, can´t support, makes comments that bothered her even knowing that bothered her etc. It wasn´t true, but I can´t do anything else. |
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Relationship Partner with BPD (Straight and LGBT+) / Romantic Relationship | Bettering a Relationship or Reversing a Breakup / Re: Been a long time... but back again...
on: November 19, 2025, 11:19:04 AM
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| Started by FullMetal - Last post by Me88 | ||
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I'd never heard the term, "painted black" before, but it's exactly my experience. My BPD wife is not diagnosed or getting help, and I deal with this type of "spilled water" scenario all the time. Question: what's the best way to respond? I've tried validation along the lines of "i see this is very upsetting" and "it was not my intent" but that only escalates her. Only full confession and placating lowers the temperature, but it feels like I'm lying to myself. Is there a better way? no those don't work. the 'I see this is very upsetting' makes them think you're talking down to them like a child or think they're overreacting. And oh boy....'it was not my intent', that to them seems to mean that you are not validating their perception and aren't empathetic because you cannot see and feel what they are. Nothing worked for me except for confessing, apologizing for things I didn't do, and laying out a plan for how I would communicate better next time as to not offend her. There are resources on this site showing you the best ways to communicate during arguments. Get to reading. I got quite frustrated reading the guides because in my mind I was just agreeing with their lie that I meant to hurt them. |
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Relationship Partner with BPD (Straight and LGBT+) / Romantic Relationship | Bettering a Relationship or Reversing a Breakup / Re: Been a long time... but back again...
on: November 19, 2025, 10:45:33 AM
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| Started by FullMetal - Last post by Eagle7 | ||
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I'd never heard the term, "painted black" before, but it's exactly my experience. My BPD wife is not diagnosed or getting help, and I deal with this type of "spilled water" scenario all the time. Question: what's the best way to respond? I've tried validation along the lines of "i see this is very upsetting" and "it was not my intent" but that only escalates her. Only full confession and placating lowers the temperature, but it feels like I'm lying to myself. Is there a better way?
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Relationship Partner with BPD (Straight and LGBT+) / Romantic Relationship | Detaching and Learning after a Failed Relationship / Re: She just doesn't go away
on: November 19, 2025, 09:45:09 AM
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| Started by Me88 - Last post by Alex V | ||
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Hi ME88,
It doesnot make sense. My wife told me a year ago she did not want "this" anymore. She said she was gonna leave. After a couple of hours I told her that "if she wanted to go so badly, I thought she should go". Months later she asked me if I knew how it feld for her when I said that. It's the world up side down. I still do not know what she meant by "this". But after studying ADD and BPS it all makes a lot more sense. I had to read between the lines to understand (if I am right?) She felt small, alone, financially dependend, unsafe, no space for her anxieties, empty, her bouderies being crossed and in the same sentence telling me she can't ste bounderies. It does not make sense. But it helps me understand how awful she must have felt. And not seeing any other way out than leaving. Leaving everything behind. Even her children. But still; I shift from anger to grief to compassion and back. I now do realise she can't help her self. I am not sure if she can see what she does. And whether it is on purpose or not. At this moment I am still trying to get into a conversation with her, and after months I think I am ready to hear what she has to say. Ready meaning, me not giving my view, but only being understanding and compasionate. Reason I want this, is to find out if I am still willing to try to give the relastion a restart. I love her, but I am in real doubt since I calmed down living alone (with 2 kids) and daily life has become more quite and peaceful. Still longing for what once was, but not sure if still achievable. Knowing more about BPD helps me looking softer at her. Although trhe things she did were really mean, I do understand she can't help it and needs to do it to defend her trauma. However that does not mean I need to keep dealing with it. I need to keep myself and children safe. |
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Relationship Partner with BPD (Straight and LGBT+) / Romantic Relationship | Detaching and Learning after a Failed Relationship / Re: She just doesn't go away
on: November 19, 2025, 08:46:47 AM
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| Started by Me88 - Last post by Me88 | ||
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Maybe I'm just petty, but there are certain things I will not forgive
the insults and stuff like that, sure. But she knew what she was doing. Often smiling after she acted awful, she'd literally smile if she realized she hurt me. The instant tears that could stop on the spot. Scream at me for hours and the moment I start arguing back, not cursing or yelling, usually crying...out comes the phone to film me while she narrates 'what are you doing? you're scaring me? please stop'. Calls her mom during arguments 'cue fake tears' and saying she doesn't feel safe. Even though she always said my calmness during arguments kept her calm. Everything was calculated. No I didn't get arrested, but I'm sure the act would have gone into overdrive when the cops showed up and my state is horrible when it comes to this. And she knew she wasn't being threatened or unsafe. She would even tell me 'I know you'll never hit me or hurt me'. Literally that night, she decided she wanted to breakup so I asked her to pack a weekend bag and go to her mom's like she had before. It wasn't even late yet. Simply asking her to get out...calls cops and feels unsafe. Nonsense. |
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Children, Parents, or Relatives with BPD / Son, Daughter or Son/Daughter In-law with BPD / Re: my daughter insists things that never happened are real
on: November 19, 2025, 07:34:40 AM
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| Started by sunnierdays100 - Last post by BPDstinks | ||
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Hi, The Nana! I have poured over pictures (I just found this HUGE card pwBPD gave me when she was little, saying "to my favorite Mama", we were SOOO close; I acknowledge we had family arguments (like...go clean your room) however, nothing even "remotely" abusive remotely comes to mind; if anything, outsiders thought we were too "lax"; all I can say, from my research and support group, BPD is a beast
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