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 91 
 on: May 05, 2026, 05:10:36 AM  
Started by PearlsBefore - Last post by Notwendy
Yeah, so I agree the suicide/homicide threats are pretty unrealistic and more a cry for help; he's been suspended from school in Mom's homestate more than a dozen times including threatening to kill teachers, peers and carry out school massacres - as well as unarmed violence including twice sending peers for medical treatment afterward - so his "misery" is multifaceted

I don't know if this is BPD or not but it's a sign of a troubled kid, and not typical moody teen behavior. By moody teen, I meant, being hypersensitive, mood swings from happy to sad, feeling insecure. Acting out behavior like arguing back.

This is serious acting out behavior. It's having a negative affect on his life and it's causing harm to other people. It's impacting his education, which is necessary for his function as an adult.

I think this warrants intervention. I don't know what your options are but I think it's worth looking into what is going on with him. It might be BPD, it might be some other issue, the dysfunction with his mother, and possibly a combination.


 92 
 on: May 05, 2026, 04:48:40 AM  
Started by hotchip - Last post by Notwendy


The word which is now becoming more helpful to me as a specific description is controlling.

It was controlling for uBPDx to emotionally manipulate and guilt trip when I didn't devote myself entirely to meeting his needs, and to invoke or threaten self harm as a way of eliciting a reaction from me. The fact that these actions were repeated over an extended period of time, and continued after I pushed back or said they were harming me, adds to the seriousness of the situation.

Perhaps a lesson I can take from this is that someone using their own pain as an excuse or a reason to undermine my needs and boundaries, is a form of control.

I have found it hard to recognise in the past because I saw myself as the strong, resilient and capable one, and uBPDx was obviously in a lot of pain and unstable.

Now I know that a weak person can be controlling, harmful and yes, abusive, too.

There are some books by author Patricia Evans that you might find interesting. One is called "Controlling People" which describes this situation. I found this one to be helpful in understanding why someone would do this.

Another one is "Verbal Abuse" which helps identify hurtful language. They aren't specific to BPD but there are other situations where this could occur. They are also gendered- the man is the abuser, or controlling person, and the woman is the one being abused but it could be either gender and one can apply it either way.

However you wish to call it, I think it helps to identify hurtful and controlling behavior. I grew up with a BPD mother who was controlling and verbally abusive but it was "normalized" or downplayed. There was no evidence of any abuse that people could see.

As an adult, I found that I tolerated being treated poorly in some situations. It's not only with romantic relationships- and one reason was that I didn't recognize the more subtle forms of this. Overt abuse is obvious- there's physical evidence, but a controlling and verbally cruel relationship can also be hurtful.

This wasn't to accuse someone of abuse. That's a strong term in the legal sense but it still is helpful to be able to identify how people behave and decide on a relationship- in general. I think we tend to consider motive- like if the person is intentionally mean or not- but either way, the emotional effect still feels hurtful. I think it is acceptable to say "this person is not an emotionally safe person to be very close to". I think we attach abuse to some kind of evil but they can also be people who are feeling hurt or are mentally ill, or who have been abused themselves. It's for us to identify behaviors we don't wish to tolerate.

Some people we can't avoid, like co-workers but we can remain aware and not get too close to people who behave like this.

 93 
 on: May 05, 2026, 04:20:15 AM  
Started by zachira - Last post by Notwendy

My friend told me I am too nice to people, and that is what makes me a target for being taken advantage of by the wrong kind of people. I agree. I am now dealing with a man I would rather not associate with whom I see in the park. He now wants to take me out to a new restaurant because in his words he would rather test the restaurant out on me than take his aunts there first and find out that the food is not very good. I have some work to do on setting healthier boundaries with people. At the same time, I enjoy interacting with all kinds of people. The boundaries to work on include not being such an open book and distancing myself sooner rather than later with people who are unsafe.


I took this as a a strange way of asking you out on a dinner date!  I agree, it's not really a nice way. I'd avoid the park for a while too.

Many years ago, there was a person who I think was disordered. She moved so I haven't seen her in a long time. During that time, she made friends with my friends and I have no idea what she said to them.It seemed someone- one of them, would be yelling at me. One time I asked- why are you yelling at me and one answered "because I can".

Who does that? I've had the issue of being "too nice" to people. Seems this adult bully found someone to pick on and rounded up some flying monkeys. I heard after she moved that she was mean to other people I know too. She runs a business in another city and I saw a review that she yells at her employees too.

I had to work on being nice but not too nice. This doesn't happen anymore but I think I also tend to go too far in being distant from people sometimes. I do care about how I behave with people and treat people with decency and also haven't stopped being helpful in situations that I choose to- but I perhaps I "read" people better?

However, you should be able to enjoy the park- it's not his park. I'd avoid it for a while to create some distance with the guy,  but in the future, he needs to know you aren't interested in further talking with him. It's hard to say when we feel we need to be nice, but don't enagage him in long talks and if he brings up dinner, be direct and say no thank you.

 94 
 on: May 05, 2026, 04:04:51 AM  
Started by hotchip - Last post by hotchip
Thank you for these perspectives and insights!

I think that for me, for now, the question of 'was it or wasn't it an abusive relationship' is not something that needs to be resolved in any objective sense, since there isn't any singular diagnosis or test for emotional abuse. But the fact that there is a reasonable case for it to be described as abusive, tells me enough about the seriousness of the situation and the importance of getting out, as well as the limitations of my own perspective - I couldn't see what seems quite clear to other people.

Regarding particular behaviours in the relationship, there were certainly many actions taken by uBPDx that were toxic and harmful (and one case of an action by me that was toxic and harmful).

The word which is now becoming more helpful to me as a specific description is controlling.

It was controlling for uBPDx to emotionally manipulate and guilt trip when I didn't devote myself entirely to meeting his needs, and to invoke or threaten self harm as a way of eliciting a reaction from me. The fact that these actions were repeated over an extended period of time, and continued after I pushed back or said they were harming me, adds to the seriousness of the situation.

Perhaps a lesson I can take from this is that someone using their own pain as an excuse or a reason to undermine my needs and boundaries, is a form of control.

I have found it hard to recognise in the past because I saw myself as the strong, resilient and capable one, and uBPDx was obviously in a lot of pain and unstable.

Now I know that a weak person can be controlling, harmful and yes, abusive, too.

 95 
 on: May 05, 2026, 03:04:42 AM  
Started by Lauters - Last post by Pook075
In 'Stop walking eggshels', the advice is given to wait for a 'good' moment to discuss a difficult issue. But sometimes, you don't get the opportunity to wait for that moment, anbd then the situation escalates even more.

What the book refers to is not getting into sensitive topics when someone is showing disordered qualities.  For example, if they're highly emotional and agitated, that's not the time to mention that your parents are visiting for the weekend.  It's better to hold off and wait until that person is in a calm, balanced mood.

Could you give us an example of an issue that escalated while you were waiting to talk about it?  I'm asking because if a BPD is off and looking for an argument, then almost anything you say defensively will cause things to escalate.  I want to make sure we're talking about the same thing before giving direct advice.

 96 
 on: May 05, 2026, 02:58:03 AM  
Started by Rooti8 - Last post by Pook075
Hello and welcome to the family!  I'm so glad you found us and I'm sorry you're in this current situation.  It's one of the hardest questions here to answer because although BPD comes with some predictable patterns, so much depends on the individual and what's actually going on.

At surface level, your girlfriend is upset with what happened with Z.  It likely bothers her a lot more than she's letting on, and it's caused some internal stress in her life.  When things like this happen (and they happen often), a feeling of abandonment can be strong.  That's what is happening here, she's fixated on what happened and questioning everything.

What to do really depends on her communication style.  You should reassure her that you care and want to be with her, but that is really hard in long-distance relationships.  Do you see her in person at all?  I'm asking because you mentioned a virtual movie night and wasn't sure if you lived close.

If you persist too much though, she can feel overwhelmed and run from the relationship.  So there has to be a careful balance and nobody here can tell you exactly what that is.  If it were me, I'd message less often for the next few days but be more intentional with my messages, letting her know that you're thinking of her and look forward to talking soon.

I know that's not a great answer, but I'm not sure one exists for this type of BPD phase.  She's scared and second-guessing everything and in many ways, it has nothing to do with you.  This is the worst part of BPD and why so many relationships ultimately crumble...we don't know what we don't understand and it's easy to be too distant or too pushy.

Mainly, you just need to talk and get back to the good stuff in your relationship, so she can see and feel that nothing has changed.  How you'd do that though depends on her.

 97 
 on: May 05, 2026, 01:58:07 AM  
Started by Rooti8 - Last post by Rooti8
We’ve been together 3 months, but were friends for 8–9 before that.

A couple weeks ago, she got removed from a Facebook group we shared, which hit her hard because it felt like “our space.” Around the same time, she had tension with a mutual friend (Z), and that’s been an ongoing stressor.

I reassured her we don’t need the group and can focus on us. We actually had one of our best, most secure weeks after that.

Then Friday, during a virtual movie date, her internet went out. The next morning she was really upset, blaming herself and afraid I’d leave. I reassured her, and she asked (while crying) if we could redo the date Saturday night. I said yes, I'd love to. She read my message and didn’t respond for about 5 hours, then responded saying she was running errands.

Later that day, after opening a message from Z, she became visibly upset again and distant. I asked twice if she was still open to the movie redo. She never responded about the movie that night, left my messages unopened for hours, and later just said she hadn’t been feeling well.

Since then, she’s been emotionally overwhelmed and inconsistent:

-- Says we’re “okay,” but avoids talking about the relationship
-- Keeps circling back to stress about Z and feeling like she doesn’t belong in my world
-- Leaves messages on read/unopened for hours at a time
-- Alternates between warmth (pet names, life updates, selfies) and distance
-- Pulls away or changes the subject when I offer reassurance or say I miss her

I’ve stayed supportive and steady, but I feel her pushing me away and won’t engage about “us,” which leaves me confused about where we stand.

So I’m stuck wondering: is she just overwhelmed and needing space, or is she starting to detach?

Do I keep showing up consistently, or step back and give her space?

 98 
 on: May 05, 2026, 12:26:12 AM  
Started by Lauters - Last post by Under The Bridge
So, I just want to know if I am the only one behaving like this: concealing or even lying, and hoping that a difficult moment will pass by quitly?

You're not the only one - all of us have had to do this to avoid going through yet another meltdown by our BPD partner. We can see the very predictable crisis coming so we try to diffuse the inevitable by any means we can, even if it's not the way we would like it.

We're caught between a rock and a hard place; if we  point out our partner's errors it only inflames them more as, in their mind, they're never wrong but if we constantly cover for them and go along with their wrongful ideas then we're not being true to ourselves and that's no way to live. Plus by pandering to them we're actually reinforcing their beliefs that they're always right.

It can be very mentally draining as we constantly analyse our actions, trying to decide if we've said or done anything - however innocently - which might set our partner off. Truth be told, we never know what will annoy our partner so we have no chance anyway.

I remember I stopped telling my exBPD that I was going out with my friends because she would instantly class this as 'going out looking for someone else'. It makes us feel as though we really are doing something underhanded when we know we aren't.

As for discussing things, I rarely got the chance. We weren't living together and after a meltdown she would just stay away for weeks until she decided she didn't like being alone and would come back looking for me.

In the end it all comes down to how much you're prepared to endure and how far you're willing to go just to keep the peace. As I said, all the pretense puts a huge mental strain on you.  In the end I stopped trying to peace-make and just let her rage if she thought I'd done something wrong but I knew by then  - after 4 years - that the relationship would be ending as I wasn't prepared to live life like that.

So you're definitely not alone in what you're going through.

 99 
 on: May 04, 2026, 09:44:45 PM  
Started by zachira - Last post by TelHill
My friend told me I am too nice to people, and that is what makes me a target for being taken advantage of by the wrong kind of people.  I agree.
I don't know if true for you, zachira, but the cause of my 'being too nice' is freezing and fawning -- a response to childhood trauma.

I've become better than before by recognizing how I used to fawn over people who took my behavior as a green light to take advantage of me. I fawned to prevent them from verbally abusing me like my dBPD mom did. I don't fawn any longer.

I still have problems freezing with fear in a social setting. I tend not to correct narcissistic types, often becoming immobile and shaking inside with fear and confusion.

I can leave now after much self-work. Unfortunately,  I leave all the time now which is the other extreme. There's no abuse but no friends either.


I am now dealing with a man I would rather not associate with whom I see in the park. He now wants to take me out to a new restaurant because in his words he would rather test the restaurant out on me than take his aunts there first and find out that the food is not very good.

That doesn't sound very nice! It reminds me of medieval kings who had food testers in case someone poisoned their meal.

He's a persistent, domineering type of guy who won't take no for an answer. In my experience they will not respect your decision to say no to a date. They tend to get angry when spurned, saying something cruel or inappropriate.

This is just unsolicitated advice but avoid going to the park for a few weeks when he's there or go to another park. Act cool and distant to him when you return. You have the right to  not talk to him anymore. Telling him the truth leaves you open to abuse.

I'm reading a self-help book to recognize disordered people and find healthy people. It's called 'Safe People: How to Find Relationships that are Good for You and Avoid Those That Aren't' by  Henry Cloud and John Townsend. They list the types of behavior to look for and why this behavior makes a person unsafe.

 100 
 on: May 04, 2026, 08:23:49 PM  
Started by PearlsBefore - Last post by PearlsBefore
Hi there,

I'm torn on this one.  The message does indeed seem disturbing, though it contains some therapy-speak, and I suspect some input from ChatGPT.  Granted, when I was an early teen, I felt anger about being parentified, and I wrote down some pretty gruesome death wishes (by drowning, poisoning, smothering, electric shock . . . ), as an outlet of frustration and general overwhelm, though I had zero intention of acting on any of it, I promise.  Sometimes I wrote down outrageous fantasies in a diary, just to test if people were spying on me and invading my privacy!  But actually sharing a disturbing message like that seems to me like a cry for help.  It could be a misguided way of saying, "I'm really struggling with feelings of rage and hatred, you did this to me, I can't handle this anymore."  He reveals he's feeling mocked--that tells me he could be feeling extremely insecure.

Do you have a sense of what's really bugging your son right now?  He says he doesn't want the "misery" to continue.  Do you understand what he means?  I get that at 13, many things feel like misery, because he's old enough to want things, and yet he's stuck at home with relatively few freedoms, as well as an immature body.  School can seem tedious and pointless, especially for a smart kid.  By the same token, it would feel like "forever" before he turns 18 and can do whatever he wants, at least in theory.  Meanwhile, he might be struggling with fitting in amongst peers, especially if he hasn't found an "identity" (e.g. athletic, smart, popular, artistic, handy) and the appropriate outlet (sports, chess, clubs, musical instruments, computers, Boy Scouts, fixing cars, etc.).  What does this young man have lined up for the summer?  Is there any sort of camp that might help him forge a more positive identity and outlook?  He's old enough to be a Counselor in Training.

Sometimes I think that with boys, the notion of talking a lot with a therapist can be offputting (and stigmatizing), and he might benefit more by surrounding himself with positive role models and participating in engaging activities.  The Boy Scouts comes to mind.  I'm mentioning that because the Boy Scouts has been an extremely positive influence on the 13-year-old in my life, who had struggled when living with a disordered uNPD father.

Yeah, so I agree the suicide/homicide threats are pretty unrealistic and more a cry for help; he's been suspended from school in Mom's homestate more than a dozen times including threatening to kill teachers, peers and carry out school massacres - as well as unarmed violence including twice sending peers for medical treatment afterward - so his "misery" is multifaceted - in this email he sort of throws it at me (I can take it, no worries) but he's cycled through blaming Sibling 1, Sibling 2, Sibling 3 and myself rapidly over the years, never daring to name Mom (who is realistically the one who abused him, and dBPD).

I agree he's very insecure, and feels very sensitive to being "mocked" - which we all try to avoid, but if the whole family doesn't cancel an outing because he stubbed his toe he feels like we're all hating on him and mocking him, etc. Which lends itself towards a bit of the drama of BPD, but also could just be early teen drama hopefully.

He does have a couple friends (not the healthiest friends, but any friend is better than no friend) which is good, but again they're the ones hating school in a trenchcoat mafia together- so it's not exactly that he's found his niche so much as he's found other troubled boys - but Roblox and Clash Royale keep them occupied some of the time, etc.

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