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VIDEO: "What is parental alienation?" Parental alienation is when a parent allows a child to participate or hear them degrade the other parent. This is not uncommon in divorces and the children often adjust. In severe cases, however, it can be devastating to the child. This video provides a helpful overview.
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« on: September 20, 2016, 11:59:20 AM »

So anyway… as I’ve mentioned my ex killed himself a little over a month ago... .

I don’t have a lot of people whom I can talk to about this… but when I think about writing about it here or in some grief forum or somewhere there’s something stopping me but idk what exactly. I guess I don’t really expect people to care…

I was on the phone with my bestie just now and at one point she said that she’s “getting bored” with listening to me talk about him and started making puns about me “beating a dead horse”. I got upset and ended the conversation but then called her back a minute later and explained to her why it was upsetting for me to hear her say that. She apologized for being insensitive and explained that she has a general problem with empathy when it comes to death. She explained that even when some of the people close to her died, like her mother for example, she didn’t see it as a big deal and she doesn’t even expect other people to see it as a big deal when she dies and so she doesn’t understand and can’t sympathize with mourners in general. I told her that I’ve been feeling kind of suicidal ever since my ex killed himself and asked if it would be a big deal if I died and she said sorry but no.

Now the thing is, I’m not going to kill myself or anything, but one of the things that’s been keeping me together is knowing that “I don’t want to do on to others what he did on to me”… but right now I just kind of don’t have anyone in my life who would be overly upset on the one hand if I did… and on the other hand I kind of don’t feel like I have a “right” to live these days after one of the very few friends I had killed himself and left me a note to tell me it was because of me…
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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2016, 12:43:03 PM »

Hi justnothing-

I'm sorry you're in that place, grieving is a process that needs to be worked through, with emphasis on the through.

Death makes people uncomfortable, especially suicide, because think about how crappy life has to be between someone's ears for them to want to end it all?  And associating to that doesn't feel good, don't wanna go there, so ignore it, deny it, be insensitive to it, whatever it takes to not feel that, defense mechanisms used to not face our own mortality.

Sorry the bestie was insensitive, for her own reasons, and good for you for coming here and talking about it as well.

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but right now I just kind of don’t have anyone in my life who would be overly upset on the one hand if I did…

That is one measure of our value, our value to others, and how about your value to yourself?  Please tell us how much you matter because you say so, no letting off the hook here, come up with something.  And then something else.

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and on the other hand I kind of don’t feel like I have a “right” to live these days after one of the very few friends I had killed himself and left me a note to tell me it was because of me…

Yeah, my ex used to blame me for everything too, a form of abuse BTW, and it got comical after a while, and impressive, like how the hell did you turn that around and make it my fault so fast?  She was good, really good, and when accepting responsibility for your actions hurts too much, you have to get good at blame.

So tell us, what else did your ex blame you for that was total crap?  No letting off the hook here either, come up with a few things, with the goal being to realize he may have tried to assign his suicide to you, as ridiculous as that is, and you feel the way you do because on some level you're accepting that assignment, which is optional.
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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2016, 12:44:19 PM »

Hi justnothing,

It sounds like you are feeling alone. I'm sorry you feel that way and I'm also very sorry about your ex.  

Dealing with all the questions and what ifs around suicide is hard enough, feeling alone must make it feel even worse.

I promise there are people on this forum that care how you feel, myself included. When you are ready to share more about how you feel, please do.

Beside posting here, what else are you doing to care for yourself?
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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2016, 01:23:52 PM »

Maybe you will live a normal life, maybe you will go on to do great things? who knows. One thing i do know is that you will never get another chance at it. For better or worse we all carry very deep and very permanent scars from our BPD experiences. I won't lie and say that I haven't had thoughts similar to yours.


Please just remember how greatly these relationships can damage our self-esteem. For a lot of us who identify as co-dependent, this was already fragile to begin with! (myself included!)

A lot of these thoughts tie into self-worth. There is NO easy fix to this. I found my self-esteem regenerated slowly, but could quickly erode back to nothing (and still does) when I'm having a bad day. Thankfully at almost 9 months out, this is becoming quite rare.

I'm so very sorry that your Ex wrote that. You must surely realize from these forums that very little (if anything) is your fault. The feeling of blame will trip you up and keep you stuck in this rut.

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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2016, 03:27:54 PM »

I'm sorry you're in that place, grieving is a process that needs to be worked through, with emphasis on the through.
 

Thank you. This is something I’ve read and heard about… I mean how grief is something you need to work through and not just hold in or else it might turn into complicated grief or something… the thing is I don’t have a lot of people to talk to about it. I had actually considered her to be “one of the few people I can talk to about it” so hearing her tell me that it was “getting boring” for her left me in shock. Like you say it’s probably just a matter of her not being able to process it or something. As for not wanting to associate with suicide… well she was suicidal when she was younger and I used to be suicidal a few years back and it’s something we talked about several times so idk…

That is one measure of our value, our value to others, and how about your value to yourself?  Please tell us how much you matter because you say so, no letting off the hook here, come up with something.  And then something else.

Yeah… I kind of used to not see any other value in myself other than value I had to others and it was only after a near death experience a year and a half ago that I decided that the main focus of my life should be my own wellbeing rather than other’s… That being said… I don’t think I ever really overcame the idea that anybody else would/could value me unless there was something in it for them. I mean I don’t think it’s like that with my bestie or my bf but with most people I don’t seem to be able to so much as motivate myself to try to make connections with them unless it’s the kind of relationship where I can offer them something like support… or just anything more “concrete” than just me…

As for how/why I matter to myself… well I certainly have spent a great deal of time and energy trying to do as much for my own wellbeing as possible. I’m 32 and I started therapy at 16 so that’s literally half my life on just working on myself. And in the past year and a half I’ve been doing a lot more to try to take care of myself. And there’s at least one part of me that definitely wants to live life to the fullest, that’s actually been one of my main goals and drives in life for the past several years… so yeah…

So tell us, what else did your ex blame you for that was total crap?

Actually… that almost never happened with him… I can think of like one incident a few years back when he got triggered and thought I’d been lying to him about something and blamed me for making him look like a fool in front of other people. Later on he realized his mistake and apologized profusely for it though. But other than that I can’t think of anything… for the most part we had a pretty amicable relationship for the past five years… the times in which he lost it were very few and far between and he generally seemed to have gotten better over the years. It’s a big part of what made what he did in the end so shocking… and also why I feel so bad about not doing more to try to stop him. For all I know if only I could have walked on eggshells just a bit more and been a bit gentler or a bit more… idk… then maybe he’d have gotten psychiatric help [which he did reach out to and they put him on pills and on a waiting list] then it’s entirely possible that he’d have pulled out of the dark period and ended up being OK and continuing to live until a ripe old age… I mean idk if that’s how it really would have played out… but it doesn’t seem entirely impossible or unlikely…

It sounds like you are feeling alone. I'm sorry you feel that way and I'm also very sorry about your ex.   

Beside posting here, what else are you doing to care for yourself?

Thank you… I’ve been trying make as many changes as I can lately to try to improve myself as much as I can as fast as I can. I bought a couple of kindle books about self-esteem, overcoming fear, overcoming emotional neglect etc’ and read through several articles on a number of different self-help topics. I do most of my reading at work and it helps me to not have breakdowns. Other than that I’ve been wearing makeup every day to work (which may not sound like a big deal but I haven’t worn any in years and usually never groom myself at all), cleaning up my house (another thing I never do), throwing some of my mother’s stuff out (which I never thought I could part with), buying new paintings and décor for the living room, forcing myself to occasionally call and chat with old acquaintances (another thing I never do) and trying to learn HTML online (which may sound stupid and unrelated but to me it seems related…), I also went to the movies yesterday…

Maybe you will live a normal life, maybe you will go on to do great things? who knows. One thing i do know is that you will never get another chance at it.

Yeah, you’re right. I know you’re right but heh… sometimes it can be hard to remember. I suppose we all have an eternity to be dead but only a few decades at most to be alive anyway. I guess my problem right now is more about feeling like I still have a “right” to life. I’ll sometimes look at things my ex used to enjoy and think about how he won’t be able to anymore “because of me” and a part of me feels as though I don’t have a right to it now either. I know it’s stupid and pointless to think that way but sometimes it still comes up anyway… and even when it doesn’t come up it’s still somewhere in the background…
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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2016, 04:50:59 PM »

but right now I just kind of don’t have anyone in my life who would be overly upset on the one hand if I did… and on the other hand I kind of don’t feel like I have a “right” to live these days after one of the very few friends I had killed himself and left me a note to tell me it was because of me…

Hi justnothing

We had talked some on the PI board about your friend and it seems that you are having some feelings about it now.  I cannot imagine what it must feel like to have someone attribute such a tragic decision on behalf of you, I am sure it is immensely painful.  But, I want to point out, that we are not responsible in any way for someone else's decisions - even if they tell us we are.  It is a complete misrepresentation of truth for anyone to say otherwise.

What I hear in your post is that you feel awful on the inside.  A feeling many of us feel because of our breakups and the inner workings that get activated when these breakups occur. 

Your attempt to reach out to your "bestie" doesnt feel good either.  Yet, you are here talking it through and that is a big deal.  There is not a person on this board that would say you dont have a "right" to be here, talk, share, cry, hurt or anything else that you need to receive from us.  The fact that you are here gives you the "right" to be here!

Like you, I have close friends that do not understand and do not want to hear it.  That can feel isolating and denigrating in itself.  Your bestie sounds like they are lucid enough to tell you why, at least you know it is not because of you.

Keep leaning on this board.  There are so many of us that have been in these deeply painful spots and as many that have made it through those feelings.  Just to repeat you have every right to be here!

So glad you shared some of your anguish.  Please keep posting.

JRB
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2016, 05:21:39 PM »

Hi! I'm glad you posted. I think you, like I, tend to see this site as a group-therapy kind of thing, yeah?

I've come here with some of my deepest and hardest emotions, reading and responding, and feel like I am amongst friends when I do so.  It has helped me beyond measure, and I hope will also help you.

I am so incredibly sorry that you are dealing with the weight of what loved ones in your life have chosen to do.  I have experienced a similar thing as what you have shared - in my case the other person survived, but the attempt was made and I felt the same as you at the time.  I know better now, however.  

If nothing else, it is important for you to understand something  - what other people do is a choice they make. Nothing you do, nothing you are, and nothing you say makes that choice for them.  It is their choice.  And theirs alone.

You are not, and can never be, responsible for what another person chooses to do.  None of us are.  We are all, each and every one of us, only responsible for our own actions.  Somewhere inside of you I am sure you already know this, and yet knowing it doesn't absolve you of your guilt.  Right?  Maybe this will help... .

From what I have seen on these forums, each of us here possess an incredible capacity for compassion.  We love with our whole beings, and we risk every part of ourselves when we do.  We care, deeply, and fully for others - and we tend, for our own reasons, to love people who need that kind of love.

What I mean is... .we have our own types of broken-ness that reaches out - longs for - the kinds of broken-ness we choose in those around us.  There's a reason we do it, and we all have to come to terms with that in our own time.  I know why I do it... .I do it because if I can help someone else, then I feel better.  But why?  Why do I feel better?  I am learning that I feel better because long ago I needed someone's help - and I never got it.  I rescue because I was never rescued.  I love because I was unloved.  I provide because I was neglected.  I self-sacrifice because I was used for another's gain.

It is painful to come to these realizations for myself, but I am glad to understand it now on a real level.  Because I know my worth.  I know my value.  I know I deserve as much happiness and love as the next person - yet I have sought out others who were incapable of it.  And, with them, I simply relived those wounds from so long ago.

It is not their fault that I have wounds.  It is not their fault that they have wounds.  And it is not your fault how they respond to their own wounds.  You can only be responsible for your own actions, your own choices, your own pursuit of your own healing.  The same is true for all of us.

but right now I just kind of don’t have anyone in my life who would be overly upset on the one hand if I did…

Don't be too sure about that.  We impact the lives of others in ways we might never imagine.  We mean more to others than we usually know.  And, even if you don't feel close to anyone today - imagine the people you have yet to meet!  There is laughter, and friendship, and connection, and love waiting for you with those who have not yet had the privilege to know you.  I am excited for your future and just how much love and happiness you will share!

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and on the other hand I kind of don’t feel like I have a “right” to live these days after one of the very few friends I had killed himself and left me a note to tell me it was because of me…

As said previously, you are not responsible for someone else's choice.  And you certainly do not lose the right to live and love and enjoy your world because of someone else's choice.  You could have broken yourself on the rocks of another person's dysfunction - and their choices are still not your fault.  

The thing is, all of us here have broken ourselves on the rocks of someone else's dysfunction.  The question is - why?  Why do we do it?  Why do you think you have done it?  

What was it that was so painful about the relationship?  Where did you get stuck on it?  Why did that thing matter?  What was it in you that needed it?  How did you feel when you didn't have it anymore?  Most importantly, why do you feel responsible for a choice you never made for them?  

These kinds of questions are what I have asked myself.  And in asking them, with a relentlessness, I found myself finding the answers.  They were painful, but they are true - and now I am starting to heal.  The experiences that led me here were necessary because I had not learned the lessons in any other way.  And that is what I remember about it and why I am thankful for how I got here.

I mentioned in another post a quote that I was reminded of recently.  I share it again here, for you, because there is a lesson for you in the losses you have had:  C.S. Lewis once said "Experience is a brutal teacher.  But we learn, my God do we learn."  

And that is our directive in this wonderful painful amazing tragic thing we call "life".  We can learn from our experiences, as brutal as they may be, or we can keep repeating the lessons until we do - with each opportunity to learn becoming more and more brutal as we go.  

But, rest assured, one way or another we will learn.

You have worth.  You have value.  You deserve love.  You know it, but you may not feel it.  And maybe, like me, you may be subconsciously compelled toward some of the most broken fragmented people on the planet in frantic desperate attempts to heal them rather than yourself.  The thing is, you cannot save them from themselves.  You can only present a chance for healing - as they present one for you.

The only one you can heal - rescue - fix - help - is yourself.  All else is just a way to mask that truth.

So, please do continue to share what you're thinking and feeling.  Keep reading and keep posting.  You are on your way, as we all are, and I have every confidence you will get there.
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