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« on: February 01, 2013, 05:22:49 PM »

So today was my part timers last day of work and he was in a visibly sour mood. I don't know how I got on the subject of my ex or why but he immediately went off on me. He said: "you're still hung up on her? Why? Get over it dude she cheated on you twice and kicked you out is that really who you want to be with? Just get over her dude it's been plenty long enough now. You're still letting her win!"

He is right. Why am I still torturing myself over her?

Oh now I remember why I brought her up. A guy called me yesterday about financial planning and asked me how me and ex were doing.

I can't escape her even when I try. A major trigger always resurfaces.

Are we letting them win?
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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2013, 06:15:48 PM »

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Is it a competition? I'd say try not to be too hung up on what other people think. Your part timer didn't go through the relationship, you did.

Can we re- wind a little though. Where are you in terms of the stages of detachment? Do you see these stages on the leaving board?

It might help you to answer your question if you can work out where you are in that process.

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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2013, 07:23:06 AM »

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Is it a competition? I'd say try not to be too hung up on what other people think. Your part timer didn't go through the relationship, you did.

Can we re- wind a little though. Where are you in terms of the stages of detachment? Do you see these stages on the leaving board?

It might help you to answer your question if you can work out where you are in that process.

None of this is easy  

I am not sure where I am in detachment. It seems I can go longer with feeling better about it until a trigger resets me.I feel like I've repeated the cycle many times over... denial... sadness... anger... even partial acceptance until I become too run down from work and hit a trigger.

You're right, I need to remember it was me that went through it not them. But in the same token I don't want to be suck with this when I know she didn't believe in my self worth but I do.

I think it's because I've had a long stressful 80 hour work week again... .  when I have to work that much I tend to relapse as my mind becomes weak and I don't get to exercise or enjoy anything else other than working a job I hate that I took just so I could be with her.

In many ways I'm stuck in my life. Stuck at this job where I'm unhappy, stuck without her love which makes me unhappy, just stuck in general. I understand she didn't love me, but my heart doesn't understand she's toxic.

I've been ruminating and dreaming all over again about her. It really sucks. This only seems to be happening when I work too much now... when I only work 44 hours a week instead I have time to do other things I enjoy to keep me busy and focused on myself.

This week I had two major triggers. One was the call from the financial advisor asking how me and ex were doing, and the second was my cousins save the date for his wedding on June 28. I was supposed to be married June 20. The triggers are becoming endless.

Mostly I just think my job Is the problem. I was never happy with it and I feel if I never would've worked here I would've been happier overall and might have had a different outcome with her.

I guess I'm in denial at current moment as I'm still trying to blame myself for her cheating on me twice with two different men from her office. Yuck.

Tomorrow it may be sadness, then anger for letting her treat me this way. Rinse and repeat :/.

Honestly if I could find a new job with normal hours, which are apparently no longer normal but a rarity, I think I would hit and stay in acceptance.
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2013, 11:04:31 AM »

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Mostly I just think my job Is the problem. I was never happy with it and I feel if I never would've worked here I would've been happier overall and might have had a different outcome with her.

I guess I'm in denial at current moment as I'm still trying to blame myself for her cheating on me twice with two different men from her office. Yuck.

So... .  if I understand your reasoning here, you were cheated on because you were unhappy with your job? Does that make sense to you?

Do you think there could be some other reason your ex cheated that has nothing to do with you or whether you like your job? Like, I don't know, say maybe a personality disorder?

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Honestly if I could find a new job with normal hours, which are apparently no longer normal but a rarity, I think I would hit and stay in acceptance.

You have said you feel stuck in your job and in your life in general. If so, this goal of looking for a different job might be part of a plan for helping yourself feel unstuck. It might be something good you could do to take care of yourself. Do you have a plan for getting unstuck? What steps do you need to take in order to find another job?

That said, I'm not sure it's fair to you to blame your job for your having trouble detaching. Maybe it's related, maybe not.  A new job might help you feel better, it might not. I think the key to your happiness is somewhere inside yourself, and that your job really isn't the culprit here. You say you ruminate when you are stressed... .  Stress will still occur even with a new career. You are ruminating for a reason (even if at this point you are not aware of he automatic thoughts). Have you thought about what you are getting out of it? Are you trying to soothe yourself? Beat yourself up? Maybe your r/s was so stressful that you are having a Pavlovian response?

To give you an example, I used to ruminate about an ex. I finally figured out I was doing it when I was having abandonment fears. Fantasizing about the ex gave me some sense of a backup plan... .  I imagined it was some kind of ideal love that would always be here even if my next r/s ended (soothing myself), and I also imagined that it had devastated him when I left and I felt guilty about that (blaming myself). Once I became aware of what I was trying to get out of the ruminations, I was able to address my thinking and find other ways to cope with my underlying issues.

Do you have a T who can help guide you through this process? Have you read the "10 Beliefs That Can Keep You Stuck" article here at bpdfamily.com?

Wishing you peace,

PF
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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2013, 11:39:49 AM »

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Mostly I just think my job Is the problem. I was never happy with it and I feel if I never would've worked here I would've been happier overall and might have had a different outcome with her.

I guess I'm in denial at current moment as I'm still trying to blame myself for her cheating on me twice with two different men from her office. Yuck.

So... .  if I understand your reasoning here, you were cheated on because you were unhappy with your job? Does that make sense to you?

Do you think there could be some other reason your ex cheated that has nothing to do with you or whether you like your job? Like, I don't know, say maybe a personality disorder?

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Honestly if I could find a new job with normal hours, which are apparently no longer normal but a rarity, I think I would hit and stay in acceptance.

You have said you feel stuck in your job and in your life in general. If so, this goal of looking for a different job might be part of a plan for helping yourself feel unstuck. It might be something good you could do to take care of yourself. Do you have a plan for getting unstuck? What steps do you need to take in order to find another job?

That said, I'm not sure it's fair to you to blame your job for your having trouble detaching. Maybe it's related, maybe not.  A new job might help you feel better, it might not. I think the key to your happiness is somewhere inside yourself, and that your job really isn't the culprit here. You say you ruminate when you are stressed... .  Stress will still occur even with a new career. You are ruminating for a reason (even if at this point you are not aware of he automatic thoughts). Have you thought about what you are getting out of it? Are you trying to soothe yourself? Beat yourself up? Maybe your r/s was so stressful that you are having a Pavlovian response?

To give you an example, I used to ruminate about an ex. I finally figured out I was doing it when I was having abandonment fears. Fantasizing about the ex gave me some sense of a backup plan... .  I imagined it was some kind of ideal love that would always be here even if my next r/s ended (soothing myself), and I also imagined that it had devastated him when I left and I felt guilty about that (blaming myself). Once I became aware of what I was trying to get out of the ruminations, I was able to address my thinking and find other ways to cope with my underlying issues.

Do you have a T who can help guide you through this process? Have you read the "10 Beliefs That Can Keep You Stuck" article here at bpdfamily.com?

Wishing you peace,

PF

I chuckled at the first part of this response. But my only "what if" that remains is what if I would have had a job where I would have been happier like she was with her job.

She accused me of being mopey and I know there were days where I could have sucked it up much better and just been happier and appreciated what I had as she also constantly stated.

I guess I'm wondering if I gave it my all. I feel like I did. Her family even said I deserved better and she just wasn't worth it.

As for my job. At the time I was underpaid and struggling to pay bills and keep up with keeping her entertained and helping pay for things for our apartment and things for her daughter. a lot of unnecessary expenses were planned out by her as she constantly shopped and believed she was taking advantages of sales and deals. Basically... .  I struggled to support her our help equal the support as I only made half as much as her. She also received child support.

Money was a huge issue, even if she would act like it wasn't, it was. I remember a grocery outing and I offered to pay and she said no that is okay, she paid, and then lashed out at me on the drive home about only paying for a few items. I called her out right then and there to drop it because I offered to pay. I could not keep up with her spending needs.

Anyway this promotion was going to turn it around and we would finally be equal and living comfortable, I'd be able to help more even though I already basically gave her all my money.she kicked me out a week before my promotion began. I would have made a much as her.

Could you please define the pevolian theory? I'm not familiar with this one yet.

Yeah I've read all the steps over and over. I blame my job because it was a job I only took to be with her, I always hated it. And now I frequently work 80 hours a week. I don't care who you are and if you're healthy or not, work a few 80 hour weeks and you will be tired of it. It is these weeks my mental stability takes a nose dive.

I am in the process of finding a new job, resumes flying out the door... .  but in this economy, I'm lucky of anyone even looks at it.

Also I blame this job for tearing us apart as I had less time with her. The day it embed I was sent out of town to work on my day off and she ran a race with my replacement.

There is a reason we shouldn't work more than 40 hours a week and there are studies on this. It's counter productive in the work field itself as well as destabilizing home life.

Ever wonder why there are so many more mental disorders now stemming from parent problems? ours because we as a society have decided work is more important than family and we have undervalued ourselves so horrifically that we must work longer to make enough to live comfortably. When life becomes unbalanced with work, families will suffer, problems will rise.

I am a firm believer in a 40 hour work week is the only way to maintain a work life balance.

So I am searching for that unicorn right now. Maybe I'm jealous my ex had the perfect 40 hour job and hardly had to try to make double what I made physically busting my but every day.

I hate my job. This much I know. Always have. This was just supposed to be temporary until I found something better... so far I haven't found anything. Trust me, cover letters and resumes galore sent out... .  it's all about who you know.

I want that perfect honeymoon love back. I want the American dream. this is a nightmare.

No time for therapy when you work this much.just this forum on my phone while at work.
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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2013, 10:12:36 AM »

Pavlov is famous for his experiments in classical conditioning. You can read more anywhere on the web but here is a decent summary: www.simplypsychology.org/pavlov.html#sthash.RDNLbcww.dpbs I was only sort of half-joking about it, though it's not an impossibility that if you associate your ex with stress that you might be conditioned to think of her when stress is present for other reasons.

I agree that an 80-hour work week isn't healthy. For a few years early in my marriage my DH had to work that much, and it was hard on all of us. And we weren't making much money, either. So I kind of get it. Are you trying to find work in the same field, or are you willing to switch careers completely? Do you need to stay where you are, or can you relocate? In the meantime, I am trying to think what line of work you could be in where that many hours would be required... .  are you not able to say no? What can you do short-term to reduce your stress load?

I see why you are tempted to blame your job and your finances. Stress certainly makes things worse when a relationship already has problems. But I don't think there's anything we can do to make someone with BPD happy. That has to come from within themselves, just as our own happiness has to come from within us.

Good luck with the job search. You might try the MoodGym online CBT module until you are able to get a real T. There should be links somewhere in the lessons.

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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2013, 06:38:21 AM »

Pavlov is famous for his experiments in classical conditioning. You can read more anywhere on the web but here is a decent summary: www.simplypsychology.org/pavlov.html#sthash.RDNLbcww.dpbs I was only sort of half-joking about it, though it's not an impossibility that if you associate your ex with stress that you might be conditioned to think of her when stress is present for other reasons.

I agree that an 80-hour work week isn't healthy. For a few years early in my marriage my DH had to work that much, and it was hard on all of us. And we weren't making much money, either. So I kind of get it. Are you trying to find work in the same field, or are you willing to switch careers completely? Do you need to stay where you are, or can you relocate? In the meantime, I am trying to think what line of work you could be in where that many hours would be required... .  are you not able to say no? What can you do short-term to reduce your stress load?

I see why you are tempted to blame your job and your finances. Stress certainly makes things worse when a relationship already has problems. But I don't think there's anything we can do to make someone with BPD happy. That has to come from within themselves, just as our own happiness has to come from within us.

Good luck with the job search. You might try the MoodGym online CBT module until you are able to get a real T. There should be links somewhere in the lessons.

PF

Thanks for the links.

I am looking for anything better. currently I am an assistant manager for a retail paint store that will remain nameless. We are currently a two man operation so when one or us is out the other is forced to work. Normally I am scheduled to work 44 hours a week. But since about November I've worked at least ten 80 hour weeks.

I'm thankful for the money but it's quiet and boring and alot of time to think on these fresh wounds of why this relationship failed and why I'm stuck on it. Alot of time to ruminate and remember all the memories.

I feel if I were busier I'd forget about it. Also I'm alone 90% of the time here. This job is a constant reminder of my ex as I only took it to be with her. I also thought my bachelors degree would lead me to a better job than this.

I want a better work/life balance. This job has made me sacrifice too much, I feel if I would've had weekends off with her and didn't get paid dirt before my promotion I may still be with her today.

I could constantly feel her slipping away and growing distant yet there was nothing I could do. I kept bending over backwards for my job and her and I think I've finally broke. This job had a big part in taking away my happiness.

I just want to start over with something new and fresh. Ultimately I want a old fashioned 9 to 5 Monday through Friday job. Otherwise I feel I can just forget about having a relationship or a family.
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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2013, 01:47:43 PM »

Do you think you may be depressed? I am hearing some hopelessness in your thinking.

What if your job is not the reason your relationship ended?

What would it feel like to stop "bending over backwards" for other people and take care of you instead?

What are you getting out of the ruminations?

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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2013, 11:33:12 AM »

Do you think you may be depressed? I am hearing some hopelessness in your thinking.

What if your job is not the reason your relationship ended?

What would it feel like to stop "bending over backwards" for other people and take care of you instead?

What are you getting out of the ruminations?

PF

Yes. I am horribly depressed. Depression runs in my family a my dad and brother both take happy pills. My ex appropriately nick named me grump ass in college and then threw it in my face later that I was mopey saying I had changed from the happy go lucky guy I was.

I told her before the first recycle I had depression issues I needed to deal with, my demons. For the most part I hid these from her the best I could because she was the one causing it for the longest time by putting me down constantly and nothing I ever did was good enough for her.

Anyway, I catch myself now saying I am mad at life. I'm sad that I lost my life with her and her daughter, I miss my friend and lover and the little girl who called me daddy.

My job is only getting worse and I'm soon going to speak up to my boss as he keeps trying to harass me about petty tasks within the office that he doesn't want to do, then after I do them I am scolded for doing it wrong.

I feel the footsteps breaking my back as the people walk all over me but any time I stand up for myself there's always a bigger consequence than reward.

I am hopeless. I don't believe I'll ever love again. I also doubt I'll find a better job. I am defeated.

Ruminating only causes more pain but how do you stop a unrelenting force driving through your head like an unstoppable freight train. With all the triggers it's impossible.

I loved this girl, I will not love another like I loved her, I don't even see attraction in love anymore. I've pushed everyone away successfully now as I rather just be a silent hermit because out doesn't hurt as bad as interacting with people I used to care about as this depressed weak and mopey shell
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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2013, 11:34:59 AM »

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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2013, 02:35:51 PM »

I am pretty concerned about you. Depression is so hard and can just keep spiraling downward unless something is done to intervene. By your own description the depression is already horrible. I have been there and promise it can get better--you do not have to go on feeling this way forever. But you do have to be willing to ask for help. Do you want to feel better? What are you willing to do to get help? Call a doctor, find a therapist, do the MoodGym module, call a hotline, all of the above, none of the above/other?

I am interested in hearing what step you want to take and when... .  I hope you will share your plan here.

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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2013, 04:35:26 PM »

I vent on these boards and read everyone else struggling as well, that makes me feel some what better. I truly believe if I find a new job I'll be fine, so I'm really trying for better positions with a better work life balance.

I don't feel a bad today, but it's like when I get a day off I'll isolate myself from everyone and regather myself. As the work week goes on it really wears me down. With Valentines day fast approaching and my work load intensifying that will probably be a rough day for me. If you are worried about me committing suicide I promise I would never go that far for it's against my values and beliefs, but I have contemplated what it'd be like if I died, hoping then they'd feel sorry for what they did. But that's dumb and unhealthy.

Just got my first traffic violation ticket the other night as well... Luck never did find me very appealing.

My plan is to simply get out. And by that I mean get out of this job. Get back to me and what makes me happy. I'm going to buy a new pair of running shoes ok my next day off and start running outside again once the weather breaks, when I ran I was at my most mellow, mainly because I'm tired Laugh out loud (click to insert in post).

I plan to keep trying to get back in to routines that once made me happy... But ultimately I'd like to have a new job that allows me to live my life, and I want it to occur within this next year.
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