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« on: September 02, 2018, 02:05:38 AM »


At this point I have no idea what to do.  There is no official diagnosis--only input from my therapist, who has talked with one of her past therapists.  I feel she's so unaware of who/where she is that there's no hope.  Yet it is so hard for me to choose between the "divorce advice" and the "need guidance to improve it" categories.

Our teenage daughters (15 & 17) are voting for separation--they've had enough.

If I try to summarize my current thoughts:


Just Stop!

In desperate straits I write,
    not knowing up from down.
The pictures of our lives,
    keep spinning round and round.

You push me to the edge.
    You tell me what to do.
I think that I'll resist,
    but you hold me to your truth.

My days are filled with angst.
     All decisions wear me down.
I struggle just to think.
   Our talks pull me to the ground.

Your logic never fails,
    even though you make no sense.
Just the thought of interacting…
     it leaves me feeling tense.

You never think of me,
    though you claim that's all you do.
You refuse to move toward me;
    I'm left crawling after you.

In desperate straits I write,
    not knowing down from up.
My days go by unchanged.
    I can only cry--"Just stop!"


If this were Dear Abby, I would sign myself confused.
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« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2018, 09:44:36 AM »

Lovely poem, TwistingSlowly. I can identify with everything you describe.

It's ok to post on both boards. Sometimes, knowing how things work where you live (divorce laws) can be centering. I found having cold hard information from a divorce lawyer and these boards diffused some of the emotions I was experiencing, making it easier to problem-solve.

And learning how to better your relationship will be helpful no matter what you decide. The specific relationship and communication skills are not intuitive and must be learned (and practiced). And they work with anyone, not just a BPD partner. I found them particularly healing and applied them to raising an emotionally resilient son. 

How do you feel about what your daughters are saying in terms of separation?
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« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2018, 07:20:03 PM »

I have stepsons. They are ex's from her first marriage. When things started to fall apart, back in late 2006 or early 2007, my stepsons actually had a kind of intervention telling me that I should divorce their mom. I was shocked and said I didn't think that was a good idea. Our two boys were around 4 and 7 at the time and I didn't want them to go through a divorce. I believed ex and I were going through a rough patch.
Ex insisted we go to marriage counseling. We went a few times and the therapist had us come separately after that. I went 4 or 5 times after that. At our last meeting the therapist said she couldn't see me anymore because my ex was her client. I honestly didn't get that at the time. I realized later that ex had been seeing this person for quite some time without my knowledge.
By the fall of 2007 ex filed for divorce and the real chaos began.
I came to the conclusion that I was not helping ex "get better" and I triggered her with pretty much whatever I did. She ran away with our boys and the legal side began.
If I had to do it over again I would have prepared for my worst case scenario which was divorce.
It is now 2018 and I haven't spoken to her since around 2014 when a stepson got married. My being there triggered her and she alienated the bride and members of both sides of the family by her behaviors. One stepson went complete no contact with her after that.
As Lnl said these boards did help me problem-solve too. I also found a therapist for myself. It took about 4 before I found one I clicked with.
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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2018, 07:27:42 AM »

First, don't fret overmuch about having a diagnosis or not.  Many (perhaps most) members here never had an official diagnostic label to reference.  Domestic court seems particularly uninterested in a diagnosis.  One thought is that it expects the parents to eventually settle down into post-marriage cooperation and so doesn't want one parent painted a loser and the other a winner.  So the courts focus on the behaviors.  Well, mostly.  During the divorce they let a lot of chaos slide by, again hoping it will wind down in time.  I noticed that only really 'actionable' behaviors got any attention.

A diagnosis in itself doesn't mean as much as you may think.  You would also need an evaluator to report to the court whether the diagnosis impacts the parent's parenting ability.  For example, someone may be diagnosed an alcoholic.  Is the person a dry alcoholic who has stopped getting drunk?  Or does the person drink but only when not parenting or retreat into his room when intoxicated?  Or does the person rage at the other parent and kids, even driving intoxicated with the kids?  Court and evaluators will mostly ignore or minimize the first two scenarios and view only the last one as 'actionable'.  Do you see why a diagnosis alone is only one factor when determining how much a person's parenting is impacted?

Sadly, I'm a bit tone deaf regarding poetry.  My apologies.  As david noted, that the children advocate separate homes is noteworthy.  While no one should treat the concept of ending a marriage lightly, here's another reason.

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Living in a calm and stable home, even if only for part of their lives, will give the children a better example of normalcy for their own future relationships.  (They'll probably get married some day, wouldn't you like them to make healthy choices and not picking what they've known so far?)  Staying together would mean that's the only example of home life they would have known — discord, conflict, invalidation, alienation attempts, overall craziness, etc.  Over 30 years ago the book Solomon's Children - Exploding the Myths of Divorce had an interesting observation (the earliest quote I could find) on page 195 by one participant, As the saying goes, "I'd rather come from a broken home than live in one."  Ponder that.  Taking action will enable your lives, or at least a part of your lives going forward, to be spent be in a calm, stable environment — your home, wherever that is — away from the blaming, emotional distortions, pressuring demands and manipulations, unpredictable ever-looming rages and outright chaos.  And some of the flying monkeys too.

With the girls being in their teens, their wishes with whom to live the majority of time may get some weight with the court or the evaluators who make recommendations to the court.  Young children don't get much of a say, but these teens are close to the time they can drive and "vote with their feet".

Since your therapist appears to be in over her head, no one would discourage you from seeking a more experienced therapist.  Our BPD-impacted cases do require more than the usual form filers and hand holders.  There's nothing wrong with changing to a more proactive therapist who has more strategies and confidence in what is more likely to work... .and in whom you would have more confidence.
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