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« Reply #30 on: July 25, 2010, 09:55:11 AM »

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What you say is so true! Its just so difficult when your living it! I really am unsure wether my ex is BPD or not, I think I could live with it if I knew she was!

I'm concentrating on my children from now on, I am looking after myself, visit the gym everyday and eating the right foods, been nc for 2 weeks and no longer look at her facebook or his!

The attempt was the bottom, everyone says I've picked up from then and actually the month building upto it I had cos of nc, it was her calling me about my son that messed me up again!

Think part of me wants her to mess up her new relationship, come to me and appologise, accept she has issues, I can help her through and we can live happily ever after as a family! Never going to happen but my heart won't let go!
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« Reply #31 on: July 25, 2010, 07:46:57 PM »

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Think part of me wants her to mess up her new relationship, come to me and appologise, accept she has issues, I can help her through and we can live happily ever after as a family! Never going to happen but my heart won't let go!

This is likely what your Ex and daughter were also thinking about *you* when you left to be with the Borderline... .while you were thinking that the Borderline was the answer to all of your prayers.

Do you have access to a professional confidante? Having the ability to talk to someone in a professional capacity (meaning they get paid - but that's what they do- they try to help you help yourself) on a one to one basis will help ease the struggle and help you concentrate on what's real and what's in front of you.

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« Reply #32 on: July 26, 2010, 09:15:23 AM »

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I read your post this morning and have spent the day in deep reflection!

When I left my ex it wasn't as dramatic, sudden or painfull, it was something that had been coming for a while, she knew why I'd left and I never manipulate, tease or play with her feelings! I still respected her as the mother of my child!

But I look back over the years and I've done a lot of loving and leaaving in my time! Leaving people just cos relationships went a bit stale!

This has created lots of confusion in my head!

1 does this mean its me who has BPD?

2 or does it mean she just left cos she got bored, doesn't have BPD and I'm just looking for a reason?

3 am I receiving my karma and will she?

4 has she simply met someone who she wants more just like I did?

5 as she says does it mean we all could be accuse of being BPD at some stage of our lives?

I was finding a little piece in my head when I thought I'd discovered a reason, now my heads in bits again?
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« Reply #33 on: July 26, 2010, 10:33:42 AM »

... .1 does this mean its me who has BPD?

If your past relationships have ended amicably, I doubt it.

2 or does it mean she just left cos she got bored, doesn't have BPD and I'm just looking for a reason?

You're looking for a reason for why she left you?  Maybe.  But regardless for whatever reasons she left you, you still need to accept it.  If you are having trouble accepting it, it probably doesn't matter what reason you or she can come up with.

That is, if she does have BPD, then I can imagine that is one of the reasons why you might be having such a hard time accepting that she left.  They usually "disconnect" in a very confusing and/or traumatic manner.

3 am I receiving my karma and will she?

For you.  Maybe.  For her?  Maybe.  But you may never know.

4 has she simply met someone who she wants more just like I did?

You got to stop spending time trying to be in her head and spend more time in your own.  I know it's not pleasant right now, but it is what you need to do to start your recovery.

5 as she says does it mean we all could be accuse of being BPD at some stage of our lives?

I think everyone has the potential to demonstrate BPD-like behaviors; everyone has a bit of immaturity, some more some less.  But people with BPD have it in spades.  Just like alcoholics.  Everyone has the potential to be one, but actual alcoholics may be predisposed.

I was finding a little piece in my head when I thought I'd discovered a reason, now my heads in bits again?

Because intellectual/cognitive understanding/acceptance isn't the difficult part.  The difficult part is allowing your "emotional" mind to resolve all those cognitive dissonances (ie, did she love me? was I fooled?  What were lies, what was true?  Was she the love of my life or someone mentally ill? etc... .); your heart needs to catch up to your head.  Then again, your heart might be in total disagreement still.  A broken heart will need to be mended.
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« Reply #34 on: July 26, 2010, 10:51:54 AM »

Her actions, childhood, past relationships all point to BPD! My heart and head tell me something wasn't right, I just have spells where I also think I'm just spoilt and can't accept rejection becuse this is what she constantly tells me, makes me feel like what I'm going through is nothing and often brings up global tragedies to make me put things into perspective! But to me loosing my family is everything and the sudden and cold hearted way it happened is what I'm struggling with!
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« Reply #35 on: July 26, 2010, 02:37:41 PM »

Any more advice on this is greatly appreciated
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« Reply #36 on: July 27, 2010, 07:09:03 AM »

Having a rough day, 8 days nc and all I can think about is how she's happy with her new man and my son whilst I'm here suffering!
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« Reply #37 on: July 27, 2010, 07:58:11 AM »

Consider picking up a copy of this book: www.amazon.com/One-Way-Ticket-Kansas-Personality/dp/097678730X/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1280235308&sr=8-3

I found it to be an excellent resource/tool. When I first read it, I found myself consumed and could not put it down. I read it in one sitting ( Be warned! ). I actually read and reread it several times and went back over various parts many times. It was very helpful for me.
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« Reply #38 on: July 27, 2010, 11:26:15 AM »

It might be helpful for you to find a healthy outlet to those mounting feelings of anger.

I found it useful to engage in some of the daily exercises from "The Artist's Way"  

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For me, two of the basic exercises, the "morning" pages and the "artist's date" were particularly help.  Basically the morning pages involves writing down your thoughts pretty might right after you wake up.  You might write down your dreams, or you might write your thoughts like in some creative free association writing.  But you are not writing it in order to preserve the writing.  This is not a journal.  In fact, after you write for three pages.  You toss the paper.  The goal is to get your cluttering thoughts OUT of your head.  There may be times when it feels like you're pulling teeth trying to think of something to write: then just write about how hard it is to write.  But the key is to write.

Once this becomes more of a habit, you may find that when your mind associates this habit as a time to unload, your mind won't be as preoccupied during the rest of the day.  And when it comes to recovering from a BPD relationship, you'll find that you'll have quite a lot to unload for some time.  I think of it as "emotional constipation."

The idea behind Artist's Dates is to take a fresh and new trip every two weeks or so.  You want to go somewhere new.  You want to go somewhere which will STIMULATE your mind.  And you NEED to go alone.  :)o not bring anyone along.  This "date" is specifically for you and your inner artist.  Taking these trips will give you new visions, smells, associations which can become the "fiber" for your "emotional constipation."  :)o it ESPECIALLY if you find that you are resistant to doing it.  After all, if you are not willing to do so little in order to take care of yourself, then what are you truly willing to do in the effort to get better?
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« Reply #39 on: July 27, 2010, 06:05:20 PM »

My advice to you is the same advice I am giving to myself.

Take ALL the time in the world, including and ESPECIALLY this time, to find out for YOURSELF why you let YOURSELF be put into a situation that hurt YOU over and OVER.

The history is written on the wall for her.  AND it is not about her.

This is about you.

I feel your pain.

I am reeling too... .

Many others are reeling too...

Peace brother, peace

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« Reply #40 on: July 27, 2010, 06:27:03 PM »

Because I loved her and up until the day she left me I thought she felt the same, if not even more so!

What do you mean by the writing is on the wall for her?

I know others are reeling too, this board as really helped me, I hope I can soon be at the stage where I can help others through these times!

Today I feel like I confidentally say my ex was BPD! Other days I'm not so sure! The confusion n doubt are my toughest enemies at present!
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« Reply #41 on: July 28, 2010, 02:38:04 PM »

I've exhausted all my friends and family over the last 7 months and don't want them to worry any longer so I've created a happy front so they don't worry about me!

This leaves this site as my only outlet, sorry if I ramble on sometimes or don't make sense but if you take the time to read this then I appreciate your opinions good or bad as it all helps me try and come to terms with this hell we are all going through!
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« Reply #42 on: July 28, 2010, 04:21:10 PM »

Brownowl,

Your confusion is normal post breakup from a pwBPD. Everyone on this site went through the self-doubt the questioning if they were the person with BPD. No one here technically diagnoses anyone because 99%+ aren't Psychiatrists.

The best to learn is to read stories of others and see the commonalities between things that happened in your relationship and things that happened in others. You will begin to see what some have called unofficial criteria for pwBPD. These unofficial criteria are things that seem to be right of what has been "jokingly" referred to as the BPD playbook.

Please note that it is extremely common for nons (the Non-BPD or lesser disordered person) to suffer from PTSD which in and of itself mimics a lot of BPD reactions/behaviors. The difference being that PTSD generally disappates over time away from the trauma and while there is an emotional scar we tend to revert back closer to our former normal selves.

Take time to slow down. Things get crazy in the emotion department right after a split. Just try to embrace the little pieces of your lfie that you are gateful for and focus on the positive.

Understand that she will likely re-emerge again and you'll be extremely tempted to re-engage into the madness.

THe happier you are when that time comes around the less likely you'll re-engage.
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« Reply #43 on: August 02, 2010, 06:34:10 AM »

I asked my best mate to read this thread cos he didn't seem to understand why I'm still not back to myself!

He said after reading it he felt I'm looking for a reason and that sometimes people just don't get on and you have to except that and its that simple!

Am I really just using the possibility she is BPD to ease my pain and give my heartache a reason!

After reading so many stories I'm confused. She does follow the criteria of broken family childhood and abandonment from her father, short relationships left after 2 years and leaving exs confused and with financial troubles! The stages of the relationship went from amazin love and pornstar sex to finding fault with everything I do then came the lies and the sudden abondonment and treating me like I never meant anything, then the new guy straight into honeymoon again!

Just on the other hand she has an answer and reason for everything which makes sense?

She is always the life and soul of every night out and party and has never self harmed or been violent? She says its just me who can't handle rejection and am spoilt and she tried to make our relationship work but slowly realised I wasn't the one for her! We did argue a lot over the last year of our relationship but I put that down to a new born baby and money troubles and never really understood what we were arguin about half the time and would be frustrated by the fact that oneday everything was perfect and the next I couldn't do anything right!
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« Reply #44 on: August 02, 2010, 08:16:50 AM »

Is my friend right? Have I used BPD as an excuse for simply getting dumped by someone who was simply not brave enough to tell me she didn't love me like she thought she did? If anyone has got the time to read this thread and give an opinion it would be greatly appreciated cos what he said to me has thrown my thought process all over the place again!
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« Reply #45 on: August 02, 2010, 08:18:48 AM »

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Question - Does your story match other peoples story on this site ?

If it does ... .Then there is your answer... .

More importantly ... Why would you wAnt to be with someone who has and will up and leave you like that ... .

I know you are in pain ... We all have been there ... .Be gentle to yourself ... .Get out a walk for a couple hours ... Keep Reading ... It takes time but do not fight for her or try to engage her ... .She will punish you more ... especially if she is BPD ?

Sit back and watch her actions ... .you will not get closure or the answers you want to have peace  ... Thats BPD 101 ...

You / we have to pull ourselves out the mental quicksand ... .You will do it ... Be strong for your son ... .And make sure he sees you in control of yourself and that you are not being mind f###ed by his mum ... .

Set the example

You're a winner

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« Reply #46 on: August 02, 2010, 09:32:35 AM »

Thanks for the advice!

At least one comment in every story rings true!

Peace to you too

Good to know I'm not alone!
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« Reply #47 on: August 02, 2010, 10:39:56 AM »

Am I alone in doubting my ex is BPD even though it makes sense and she meets most criteria and most parts of other stories could be mine?
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« Reply #48 on: August 02, 2010, 02:13:29 PM »

brownowl90,

I asked my best mate to read this thread cos he didn't seem to understand why I'm still not back to myself!

He said after reading it he felt I'm looking for a reason and that sometimes people just don't get on and you have to except that and its that simple!

It's not that simple.  Unless your best mate has dated seriously someone with this kind of mental illness, he will never understand why it is so difficult to "get over" it.

Am I really just using the possibility she is BPD to ease my pain and give my heartache a reason!

What is difficult for you, I suspect, is you are trying to come to terms with who you THOUGHT was your girlfriend/wife, and who she is trying to present herself as, since the break-up.  If your experience is anything like the common experience here, your uBPDex's personality is literally different; it is almost like you dated someone with multiple personality disorder.  Except she is not aware of it herself.

Using the possibility that she has BPD will not really ease your pain.  But it helps you understand why her behavior is so confusing to you.  You are heart broken regardless.

After reading so many stories I'm confused. She does follow the criteria of broken family childhood and abandonment from her father, short relationships left after 2 years and leaving exs confused and with financial troubles! The stages of the relationship went from amazin love and pornstar sex to finding fault with everything I do then came the lies and the sudden abondonment and treating me like I never meant anything, then the new guy straight into honeymoon again!

Yes.  One of the criteria for a BPD diagnosis is "a pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation. "  Idealization = "amazin love and pornstar sex" and devaluation = "finding fault with everything" "lies and sudden abandonment" "treating me like I never meant anything."

The new guy starts of at "idealization."

Just on the other hand she has an answer and reason for everything which makes sense?

Because denial is not a river in Eygpt.  She NEEDS to believe that she is normal.  Because she does not have the emotional resources to deal with the possibility that she is mentally ill.  You on the other do, but you need to start taking care of yourself.  If this means getting a therapist to help you, then so be it.  But if you focus too much on her, then you may be guilty of what she is doing = putting all the blame on the other person.

She is always the life and soul of every night out and party and has never self harmed or been violent?

Some people with BPD can be very charismatic.  And just because you are not aware that she has ever self-harmed does not mean she has not (nor does not self-harming preclude the diagnosis).  They self-harm as a means of avoiding.  If they don't do that then they might use drugs or alcohol or over-spend.  Or if they don't do that, then they just go through waves and waves of people (ie, relationships).

She says its just me who can't handle rejection and am spoilt and she tried to make our relationship work but slowly realised I wasn't the one for her!

She cannot see that what she did was as cruel and harsh as possible.  This is her delusion.  She needs to believe that you were the one who drove her to do what she did; if she does not outright mis-attribute her own actions to you.  And she will try to convince everyone she knows that this is what happened.  This is the "distortion campaign."  And she is doing this in order to maintain the reality distortion field that keeps her from finding help for herself.  Until she starts recovery, everyone that she ever loves will drive her to feel this crazy and lead her to destroy her relationships.  And no one can help her until she decides to help herself.

We did argue a lot over the last year of our relationship but I put that down to a new born baby and money troubles and never really understood what we were arguin about half the time and would be frustrated by the fact that oneday everything was perfect and the next I couldn't do anything right!

You are still trying to justify her behavior in some kind of context that you can understand.  And the problem is, you do not have borderline personality disorder, so you cannot assume that the reasons why she did any of what she did, are reason that you can understand.

The fact that you keep trying to understand it in your own terms tells me you are still trying to reconcile her behaviors.  When the bottom line is that you have no idea what happened to the woman you fell in love with.  You may think that believing she has BPD will "ease your pain."  But if you accept that she has BPD, you may have to accept that the woman you fell in love with never existed.

Is my friend right? Have I used BPD as an excuse for simply getting dumped by someone who was simply not brave enough to tell me she didn't love me like she thought she did?

Your friend is trying to understand what happened to you in terms that he understands.  He wasn't there when she behaved in a way that communicated to you she was head over heels in love with you.  In his mind, and in the mind of any one who is not disordered, you cannot go from having those kind of feelings to having no feelings for the other person.  So he must believe that she was simply not brave enough to tell you her true feelings.  But they were her true feelings.  Just like right now her feelings are also true.  They are truly disordered.  And because you are not disordered, you are still recovering from a broken heart. 

But as I understand it, people with BPD completely disconnect from all the feelings they ever had for you and bury it deep inside along with all the other reams of feelings they have also buried.  They do not go through grief because they cannot cope with such feelings.  You are having a hard enough time coping with it and you are not disordered.

Am I alone in doubting my ex is BPD even though it makes sense and she meets most criteria and most parts of other stories could be mine?

No, you are not alone.  I doubted my xuBPDgf had BPD for years after I found out about BPD.  When I first logged on here over four years ago, it had already been almost ten years since I last saw her and it was still nagging at me that I didn't know what the heck happened.

The first year I read here, I only identified with one out of every thirty posts.  And then I started to unravel my whole history with her.  I had to read over our correspondences, my old journals.  And even after having piles of evidence that she was disordered, I still doubted it.  Because I was still in denial; because she was still the "love of my life."  Now I can see clearly how she was clearly disordered.  I don't know when it happened exactly.  It was a process.

Ten years of trying to forget about it.  Plus four years of detective work plus amateur psychology reading.  And what did I get?  Indifference.  I don't care about her anymore.  I don't hate her.  But I don't love her.  You just have to focus on your life and grieve over the loss of what you once cared so deeply about.

Best wishes, Schwing
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« Reply #49 on: August 02, 2010, 02:25:45 PM »

Thankyou so much scwhing for all your advice, even though I've never met you it seems you get it all perfectly! Maybe cause you have been where I have! I worry about my son and the impact on his life and our relationship! What happened to your ex schwing?

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« Reply #50 on: August 02, 2010, 03:35:34 PM »

I worry about my son and the impact on his life and our relationship!

I think as you focus more on your life and your son's life, this wlll help minimize the impact of his mother's behavior in his life.  The fact is, however, he will have to contend with his mother's disordered behavior for the rest of his life.  He may even have to deal with some possibility that he may have inherited some of her genetics which predispose him to this kind of disorder.  You may not have many more opportunities to help his mother deal with her mental illness, but you may have many opportunities to help him deal with his issues.  It will help to provide him as stable, predictable and secure a lifestyle as possible (ie, everything his mother cannot provide for him -- at least not emotionally).

As you understand this disorder more, this may help you anticipate some of the difficulties he may deal with as he develops.  Consider spending some time in the [L4] Dealing with BPD parents forum.  There are also some good books: "Understanding the Borderline Mother" and the like.  It is hard enough going through life with an unreliable parent, but with one who is mentally disordered with all the appearance of reliability?  That will be a gordian knot he will need to unravel.

What happened to your ex schwing?

I spoke to her three times after we "broke-up."  And only one of those occasions was in person.  I found out that less than one year after our five year relationship, she was engaged to be married.  And as far as I know, she did marry him.  And they probably have children together.

I know what you are hoping for.  You want to know that your ex's new relationship crashes and burns just like yours, just like the ones before.  I know I wished for this.  But you must deal with the possibility that she, like perhaps mine, ended up with a "keeper." 

There are stories here of people who have been with their BPD spouses for years, decades.  Some people may have a greater tolerance of pain than you or I have.  Or some people can keep sufficiently emotionally distant from their BPD loved one that they don't feel overwhelmed.  Some may live in denial, or even have a personality disorders or issues themselves which make them more "compatible."

I believe my ex married someone who has "compatible" issues or a disorder; it is not so unlikely -- after all my uBPD mother is still with my uNPD father.  I don't know with any certainty because when we "broke up" our mutual friends were split right in half.  My friends who might have been connected with her, have no knowledge of how she fairs, or else they respect my wishes to hear nothing about her.  And I have not spoken to any of the "friends" who might still be connected with her.  She might as well be literally dead to me. 

Those three times we contacted were all my efforts.  I suppose it was initially more my pride than anything else that keep me from contacting her.  Now I know that "no contact" serves me in my broader ways.

As far as I know, she lives.  And there are occasions when I am curious about her.  But not curious enough to take any action to find out anything material about her life.  I have the luxury of not being connected to her by blood (ie, offspring).

I'm sorry that you may have to contend with her at some later time because of the child you share.  But I think with some study and self-care you will be able to handle things when that day comes.  It may be later than you'd like, but sooner than you are prepared for.

Best wishes, Schwing
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