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« on: May 02, 2014, 10:52:21 AM »

I have a bit of a problem... .

I wonder whether any of you have friends that exhibit codependence, then find themselves in a relationship with a classic PD individual. I have one which keeps her partner at arms length and another that lives with him and is in complete deniel - thinks he's Amazing. That's the friend I'm worried about... . so


Is there any chance of helping her?

Should I help her?

How do you tell them that there partner is a nightmare? (obviously one has good evidence reason)

Do you feel you want to distance yourself from the friend because the partner is odd and don't want be to around a PD (you have your own healing to do) ?

Do you distance but still keep in touch somehow?

Or would you hang in there in the hope the PD one will get bored with their toy (your friend)?

I have almost giving up but thought given that you have a wealth of experience... . it would be worth a shot at getting some opinion!

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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2014, 01:14:51 PM »

To add -

The fact she's got a PD partner has put me right off. I'm at brink of losing this friendship because of it, she doesn't know how much I can't stand him, even though its pretty obvious I don't dig him... . its like she's been brain washed when she was talking to me with him there the last time; she looked like she'd been unplugged, no joke.

It's like he's taken the last bit of self esteem she had, it's very difficult to see. I'm 100% sure he's got fundamental issues that he's not even attempted to iron out. Nasty guy and doesn't hide it.

Good friends are tough to come by as we all know (also want to do right thing by her)- if anyone has any advice I would really appreciate it ss x
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« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2014, 04:41:38 PM »

Hi, StarStruck,

People tend to seek out relationships with people who remind them of their family of origin--this is true of everyone. For those of us who have a personality-disordered parent, that means we will tend to gravitate toward people who have PDs, alcoholism,  co-dependence, etc.

It is not surprising that if your friends have co-dependent traits that they would be attracted to romantic partners with personality disorders. It is also not surprising that you would seek out friendships with people who have co-dependent traits. Have you thought about that connection?

I can tell you care a lot about your friend... . you don't want to see her suffer. And you'd also like to keep her as a friend. From what you've written, it sounds like she really likes her SO. If she isn't asking for your advice, it might not be very well received.

In the past, when I have felt I needed to "save" someone, it is usually because I am reminded of my own childhood wounds; I was really trying to help myself when I thought I was trying to help them. It sounds like you may want to rescue your friend for similar reasons. Do you think you are approaching this in Wise Mind? How can you look after your own boundaries (your need to keep distance from him) while respecting her right to choose her own relationships--is it a deal-breaker for your friendship if she stays with him?

I wonder if reviewing these would help you as you continue thinking about the situation:

Our Dysfunctional Relationships with Others

BOUNDARIES: Case studies


What do you need in terms of your values and boundaries?

Wishing you peace,

PF

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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2014, 05:41:03 AM »

Hi P.F Change - Your thoughts are great on this and also made me feel a whole load better about doing what feels best for me, it feels cringing putting yourself first but I feel like I saw the light a while back and determined to carry on being a person that keeps healthy boundaries.

She's been so sucked into him, I don't think she'll miss me, which when put like that gives me the strength to move on. Such a shame though about her. It's made me doubt her sanity but putting a hard head on it - I'm not a mental health practitioner and she isn't my patient.

I have tried to point her towards learning about PD's in the past; when she was struggling with some nasty characters at work but it fell on deaf ears.

I suppose long and short of it is that hanging around hoping something will change is wishful thinking and it doesn't change the truth of it. So if it's not in my best interests; the way she actually is and the thought of having to negotiate meeting up around the guy makes me feel not at my best. I need to say bye bye.

I will read the links you gave, given that I work on practicing good boundaries these days, I think this example will ensure that I practice what I preach to myself, demonstrate to myself I can do IT this time!

Many thanks & wishing you peace too, SS x





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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2014, 09:42:00 AM »

Hi again P.F. Change - just had a read of links... . ahh yes... . the Karpman Triangle... ummm... . lets say no more Smiling (click to insert in post)
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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2014, 10:20:48 AM »

I recently had the same doubts about one of my best friends, whose boyfriend I have never liked, without really knowing why. In the last few months, he made the reasons clear to everybody, at least so I thought... .

My friend emailed me one night confessing me that she realized he had been cheating on her for 1.5 years, that he was getting drunk almost every night, that he had become verbally and emotionally abusive... .

We talked and talked about it, really honestly.

They live together, so she was trying to work out the best way to start a new life and different living arrangement. The other woman was still in the picture, and she was suffering a lot.

Then, suddenly, she stopped talking about it. She was not her usual self, but you could sense she didn't want to talk about him. She carried on living with him, and the only time I tried to ask about it she silenced me with something along the lines of "What's the use of talking about it? It just gives me an headache". I suggested she kept an eye on his email where she had found all the correspondance with the other woman. She told me that she didn't want to live in a relationship where one feels the need to control the other. That's it. I realized then she was too scared to change her life, and had chosen denial.

What to do?

I've lost a close friend in the past for a similar issue for voicing my concerns.

She's still with her (still)cheating husband.

This time this is what I decided to do:


Should I help her?

If she asks for your help, yes, of course.

How do you tell them that there partner is a nightmare? (obviously one has good evidence reason)

You don't. She must be the one realizing it, as tough is it might be, you can't do this work for her.

Do you feel you want to distance yourself from the friend because the partner is odd and don't want be to around a PD (you have your own healing to do) ?

I've thought about this. The chance to see him hasn't happened yet since I know what he's done, but if she asks me to see him I decided I will be honest with her and tell her that I value her friendship immensely but that I don't feel comfortable around her boyfriend cause I'm afraid of being rude with him for what he's done to her.

Do you distance but still keep in touch somehow?

I didn't distance from her, but she made things easier cause she's not talking about him anymore; I can totally understand how hard it is for you not telling her what you really think if she talks about him all the time. Maybe you can tell her that you are not so convinced about him, and ask her if she wants you to explain why, but that you don't want to ruin your friendship with her so you are afraid to say too much... . Being really honest. Do you think she would react badly to this?

This is just my very personal approach, and of course every situation is different. And it's definitely tough, as your admiration and respect for your friend is challanged. But maybe if you stick around she will have your shoulder when she will (hopefully) open her eyes. And. You won't lose something else over a PD person. Which is always a victory.   Smiling (click to insert in post)

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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2014, 11:04:57 AM »

Hi HazelJade,

You have given me things to think about.

You couldn't have timed your response better, I am due to meet up soon, I managed to sort it so that it's just us. Think she had that idea anyhow. I will have a good think. All a bit annoying! and you're right, good point regarding losing to a PD, struck me what you said here.

In fact everything you've said and all your responses to my questions are excellent, ringing clear of good/sound advice to me... . thank you, thank you, thank you... . Smiling (click to insert in post)
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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2014, 02:39:27 PM »

You are very, very welcome StarStruck.

The best of luck to you, keep us posted on how it went.

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