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Ripped Heart
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« on: February 15, 2015, 06:14:52 PM »

So I posted the other day to ask if Valentines day was like a full moon to pwBPD.

I've just posted about exN/BPDw attempting a re-engagement through my children and just this minute, I've now had confirmation of what exBPDgf is up to because she's just tried to order food online using my visa card so I've been emailed an alert through because she doesn't know the last 3 numbers on the back of the card.

I can safely say she is in her house right now with no money to even order food. As part of trying to sort her bills and debts over recent months, I also got emailed when a payment fails. I've removed myself off the lists I can think of last week and put them back under her email address (it was set up that way as an attempt to reduce her anxiety of being deeply in debt, I get the bad stuff, she gets the good stuff) So her card failed, she attempted it on mine, didn't know the code so that failed too. She's only ordering for one and she's ordered what I used to cook for her which became her favourite meal. In the end, she's offered to pay on arrival so no doubt going through all her pockets, under cushions etc... trying to scrape that money together before they get there.

Of course I have empathy for her, she can't even feed herself right now so that must be difficult for her. Do I have sympathy? Not a chance. She was only paid last week and given that the money for bills was spent on an almost week long drinking binge last week, the reason she has no money right now is because she blew it all on alcohol. I've been getting bill failures all week long even up to yesterday so it's not like she's been paid and it's all gone out on bills, she drank it all away. Suspect new replacement isn't going to be much help either, he doesn't work, claims benefits and drinks all of his away too.

It must be a terrible life to live but it's why I'm all the more thankful it's no longer my mess to keep sorting out.
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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2015, 10:22:51 PM »

Ripped Heart, I'm sorry.   It's hard to see the downward spiral of someone we care about. And I know she's been seriously testing your boundaries with her re-engagement attempts, and trying to use your children -- that's stressful and difficult on its own.

It must be a terrible life to live but it's why I'm all the more thankful it's no longer my mess to keep sorting out.

Doing the right thing (click to insert in post) I'm glad you're seeing this in a positive light. It must feel like a huge burden has been lifted.
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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2015, 07:12:34 AM »

I just read your reply to paperlung on "It's done with her. She's moving out" - particularly the cocoon/butterfly analogy, and the parent/child analogies.  I've bookmarked it because I want to be able to re-read it at will.

You appear to be living it right now, and I can't imagine how hard and sad it can be.  I am n/c with my ex (and there are no children involved), so I have no idea how she's doing.  However, if I DID know she was struggling it would be hard to refrain from helping - even though I know that letting her struggle and figure it out would be the right thing to do (and in your case, especially so because addiction is involved).  I admire your clarity and your resolve .

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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2015, 09:17:03 AM »

Many thanks guys 

At the moment, I'm trying desperately hard just to see the humour of it all. It's hard on people having to deal with one ex with BPD but I have 2 of them and they seem to be quite synchronised. Quite ironic considering there is over 3,500 miles between them so they don't know each other. It seems that when one acts up, the other appears on the scene in some capacity like they are connected in some way.

jhkbuzz, I've done a lot of inward reflection this past week and reading paperlungs post brought it all back to me that I knew where I'd been going wrong. I had a wonderful T during the end of my marriage (initially he started off as exN/BPDw's T but caught on pretty early that there was no hope and turned his focus towards me as I stood a better chance) However, his main area was mindfulness which was great in learning how to detach and not step back into recycles but I didn't do enough self reflection on myself first. This resulted in me finding the next soul to save and jumping into another BPD r/s.

My new T is a relational therapist so studies patterns and cycles throughout your entire life to see why events keep reoccurring and then using tools and reflection to break cycles and patterns. That's how the butterfly story came about because I can now see that in myself through my previous relationships and then using the mindfulness techniques, begin to take a step back when I start to feel someone needs to be rescued. The parent/child came from my previous T but I chose to ignore it in r/s with exBPDgf until it was too late and I was caught up in the drama. That was my fault though because it was a familiar pattern to me so it felt very normal and now that I can recognise it, I can break the pattern and ensure I don't get caught out by it again.

HN, it does feel like a huge burden has been lifted but it's also replaced with pain. My heart still wants to put out a hand and help guide her through her suffering, my head tells me it's a fruitless exercise and where my head and heart are in conflict, I now listen to my head because another pattern was that I always used to listen to my heart and got burned by it so many times regardless of who it was. That's what I need to work on is not letting my heart rule my head and I am finding it much easier.

Some days I have a wobble, simply because of how much easier it is for me to detach this time. It's not that I don't care because I care more than anything. It's just that the reality is that by caring the only person who gets hurt is me and I'm not going to allow that to happen.

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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2015, 12:41:06 PM »

My new T is a relational therapist so studies patterns and cycles throughout your entire life to see why events keep reoccurring and then using tools and reflection to break cycles and patterns.

I think relational therapy is fascinating, and I've been interested in finding a T who does this. My current T is great, but I would love to explore that part of my psyche more. Plus, I'm a big fan of history and studying patterns/cycle - so the overall approach and method appeals to me that way, too.

It sounds like your T is a great help and support to you. Of course, the therapist is only as effective as the patient is willing. And you're obviously committed to doing the hard work. Just look at how far you've come already.  Doing the right thing (click to insert in post)

The parent/child came from my previous T but I chose to ignore it in r/s with exBPDgf until it was too late and I was caught up in the drama. That was my fault though because it was a familiar pattern to me so it felt very normal and now that I can recognise it, I can break the pattern and ensure I don't get caught out by it again.

Oh yes... ."if it feels familiar and 'right,' run away." Smiling (click to insert in post) I'm working on that, too.

Like you said, now you have the insight, knowledge, and tools to recognize those familiar patterns, and take a step back when you see them.

HN, it does feel like a huge burden has been lifted but it's also replaced with pain.



Oh, absolutely. It hurts like hell to know that someone we love is suffering and struggling.

My exBPDbf was building up to a dysregulation for about the last 6 months of our r/s, and then went "full blown" about 7-8 weeks before the b/u. He was cutting himself really bad, drinking like crazy, alone in a foreign country and running wild. Some girl he picked up in a bar one night stole his money and all of his electronics he was traveling with (and he is a man who loves to indulge himself with toys, so he had a small fortune's worth with him).

He got really dark for a while, and I was seriously worried about him. But, unlike your exgf, Ripped Heart, he didn't try to reach out for my help - and that was best for both of us. He pushed me completely away, and I stayed away. (He told me later that he knew I would respect his boundaries more than my own emotional well-being - the man knows what makes me tick, what can I say.)

He had a rough few months but has pulled himself back together pretty well. Luckily he managed to keep his job during the dysregulation; he had a great reputation there to give him some leeway. Now he's doing much better.

I guess my point is that... .pwBPD are, in many ways, survivors. I know you worry about her, I know it's painful. But she will do what it takes for herself to survive. She can't sustain her current lifestyle for long, and she will be forced to confront that and make adjustments.

My heart still wants to put out a hand and help guide her through her suffering, my head tells me it's a fruitless exercise and where my head and heart are in conflict, I now listen to my head because another pattern was that I always used to listen to my heart and got burned by it so many times regardless of who it was. That's what I need to work on is not letting my heart rule my head and I am finding it much easier.

I'm so glad.  Doing the right thing (click to insert in post)

It sounds like you've realized just how important You are, and how vital it is to take care of You. 
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