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How to communicate after a contentious divorce... Following a contentious divorce and custody battle, there are often high emotion and tensions between the parents. Research shows that constant and chronic conflict between the parents negatively impacts the children. The children sense their parents anxiety in their voice, their body language and their parents behavior. Here are some suggestions from Dean Stacer on how to avoid conflict.
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« on: April 20, 2015, 11:51:28 PM »

Struggling with some feelings and I don't think im being honest with myself. My ex ended things almost 3 years ago, she was pregnant with our daughter and I spent a year trying to get back together with her.

we never got back together and after our daughter was born things got worse and I had to take her to court. As you can imagine for a NPD, taking her to court made her go nuclear on me. things have calmed down between us somewhat.

One thing I realized, this whole time I never actually grieved the end of our relationship. between trying to get back together with her and then my daughter being born and going to court, there was never time to grieve.

I haven't dated at all because I haven't wanted to and I want to wait till my daughter is older. The guy she wanted a relationship with before me has been hanging around her for about 7 months, I asked if they were together and she claimed they are only friends.  Initially my concern was my daughter being around someone to soon and I don't trust my exs judgment, when we were together she wanted me to watch her 2 young daughters while she went to work, she had only knew me for 2 weeks.

When I think of her with someone else it bothers me, I keep telling myself that its because I don't want my daughter around someone new yet. But I think its more then that ,  I feel jealousy, I feel like it should be me with her doing all the relationship things. I think if I was back with her I would be able to see my daughter everyday and give her both mom and dad, All this is a fantasy. I might as well be imagining winning the lottery and how I would spend the money.

I keep reminding myself of how abusive my ex was and how miserable she made life, I ask myself why I would want to be back in that situation? My stomach always in knots, constantly worried if I would make her mad or do something wrong, walking on eggshells and feeling worthless.

My ex isn't as nasty as she usually is right now, and I see the side that I fell in love with but I know its more then likely her false self and only a front. But I still find myself longing for that fantasy with her.

A fact about me is I never end relationships and im overly loyal, once a relationship ends I feel the same way about the person. I keep trying to get back together for a while then I hope the person comes back to me wanting a relationship, when that doesn't happen I continue to hope but move on to dating . Once I meet someone else I lose those feelings for a ex and seem to move on from that relationship and on to the new one.

I think im a relationship addict, and people with NPD/BPD exploit that. All my adult relationships have been with people with a PD, They always start fast and furious and end just as quick except for my ex wife which was my first adult relationship and lasted 7 yrs.

Currently I feel tormented because of these feelings, I think I want to be with my ex when she is in her current mood then I don't when her true self shows up. Its a push pull made within myself not by her.

Im thinking out loud here so if im not making any sense I apologize, thanks for listening and I appreciate any and all feedback.    

 
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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2015, 10:24:42 AM »

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I keep reminding myself of how abusive my ex was and how miserable she made life, I ask myself why I would want to be back in that situation? My stomach always in knots, constantly worried if I would make her mad or do something wrong, walking on eggshells and feeling worthless.

Hey Eco, That's a fair question, in my view: Why would you want to jump back in a r/s like that?  That you are loyal is an admirable quality, but may be misplaced in a BPD r/s, because a pwBPD will use your loyalty against you as an invitation for abuse.  And if you're like me and many others on this board, you will put up with abuse because you are loyal and can't let go of "the Dream" that never seems to materialize.

The key, in my view, is learning to love oneself to the point that you care too much about yourself to allow someone else to abuse and disrespect you.  It sounds easy, but takes work after being in a BPD r/s.

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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2015, 10:59:33 AM »

One thing I realized, this whole time I never actually grieved the end of our relationship. between trying to get back together with her and then my daughter being born and going to court, there was never time to grieve.

 

It's more difficult to properly grieve the relationship since you never got to experience life without her. The fact that you spent so much time trying to fix things and have regular contact because of your daughter makes it much harder to move on. Your ex has forced you to accept that you are not together in real life, so you've gotten used to that, but inside you've never actually let go and you don't want to.

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When I think of her with someone else it bothers me, I keep telling myself that its because I don't want my daughter around someone new yet. But I think its more then that ,  I feel jealousy, I feel like it should be me with her doing all the relationship things. I think if I was back with her I would be able to see my daughter everyday and give her both mom and dad, All this is a fantasy. I might as well be imagining winning the lottery and how I would spend the money.


So you justify your discomfort with someone else being in your exes life with the well being of you daughter, but really it's because your ideal fantasy of being a family is being shattered by the situation. This guy keeps poking holes in your dream life.

You've never let go of that fantasy. But that's the thing. It's a fantasy. It's comparable to how your ex saw you in the first two months. A fantasy of who she wanted to be with. Then reality started hitting and it turns out the relationship was the same as all the ones before it.

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I keep reminding myself of how abusive my ex was and how miserable she made life, I ask myself why I would want to be back in that situation? My stomach always in knots, constantly worried if I would make her mad or do something wrong, walking on eggshells and feeling worthless.

My ex isn't as nasty as she usually is right now, and I see the side that I fell in love with but I know its more then likely her false self and only a front. But I still find myself longing for that fantasy with her.

It's not a front or a false self. It's the positive sides of her. It's her when she isn't dysregulating or unhappy. It's not that you fell in love with someone who doesn't exist but rather you fell in love with the best parts of her. They exist, but they are often overshadowed by the negative, more often than not.

Seeing only her good sides is a fantasy. That person doesn't exist. It's wishful thinking. Remind yourself of who she's not and never will be, all the ways that she was a terrible partner.

You could love someone who has positive qualities and none of the negatives your ex represented. You should start by loving the person in the mirror.

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Currently I feel tormented because of these feelings, I think I want to be with my ex when she is in her current mood then I don't when her true self shows up. Its a push pull made within myself not by her.

You have to stop referring to it as true self. This isn't a monster that crawls out of her when you least expect it. It's her defense mechanisms, her coping habits, her dysregulation, the basis of how she deals with life.

It's like buying a car that hasn't been properly fixed and putting it in your garage and washing it and shining it up and doing detailing on it.

You only like it while it's sitting in your garage and you can look at it. If you try to drive it though, it's ridiculously loud because the muffler's broken, there's smoke coming out from under the mask, the gears don't shift properly.

So you put it back in the garage and deem it the perfect car, and go in denial because as long as you don't drive it, it's perfect.



You started the journey of grieving your ex. You just got stuck on the denial phase.
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« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2015, 11:00:24 PM »

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The key, in my view, is learning to love oneself to the point that you care too much about yourself to allow someone else to abuse and disrespect you.  It sounds easy, but takes work after being in a BPD r/s.

that's the key to healing and its something I work on daily, I had to enforce strong boundaries and build a strong sense of self worth to deal with my ex. the last part is the hardest for me.

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It's more difficult to properly grieve the relationship since you never got to experience life without her. The fact that you spent so much time trying to fix things and have regular contact because of your daughter makes it much harder to move on. Your ex has forced you to accept that you are not together in real life, so you've gotten used to that, but inside you've never actually let go and you don't want to.

I agree with this except that I do want to let go, I don't want to feel this way and it really makes me mad that I feel that way.

the thing im trying to work out is this is pattern for me, it doesn't matter who my ex is, its always the same in all my relationships. I don't seem to fully let go until im in another relationship. I think that's unhealthy on many levels, im in my 40s and ive only had 4 serious relationships since my teens.

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So you justify your discomfort with someone else being in your exes life with the well being of you daughter, but really it's because your ideal fantasy of being a family is being shattered by the situation. This guy keeps poking holes in your dream life.

You've never let go of that fantasy. But that's the thing. It's a fantasy. It's comparable to how your ex saw you in the first two months. A fantasy of who she wanted to be with. Then reality started hitting and it turns out the relationship was the same as all the ones before it.



Very true, but my concern for my daughter is there as well its just not the only thing.

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You should start by loving the person in the mirror.

Its a daily goal for me.

thanks for the info and advice
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