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« on: October 17, 2015, 03:02:36 PM »

We all know that feelings=facts for a pwBPD and that no amount of logic is going to convince them otherwise. 

Recently, the day after telling me where she was moving to, my former friend BPD told me that I'm "crazy." 

Because when someone is crazy, we tell the person where we are moving to.   

Any other silly examples of lack of logic that your exBPD showed? 
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« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2015, 05:01:28 PM »

Hi SummerStorm,

I'm sorry to hear that. I can relate with taking what was said from a pwBOD at face value because we're looking at things in a logical, non-disordered perspective.

There's a reason a pwBPD act the way that they do, you are correct feelings = facts. BPD is an emotional based disorder and the person cannot regulate and self sooth their emotions and project their out of control feelings on loved ones.

I've been called crazy countless times by my ex and usually she's dysregulated and feeling out of control, these are her feelings with whatever she's going through. Its about her, its not personal.

I hear emotional dysregulation and projection.

What's the back story?
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« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2015, 05:19:40 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2015, 06:49:10 PM »

Screaming "stop hitting me. Ow it hurts" in public while hitting himself.
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« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2015, 06:58:42 PM »

Once when my daughter was a teenager told me that it hurt her throat to swallow. When I didn't react with enough concern she screamed "I wish you would pay more attention when I tell you I am dying!" I burst out laughing because I was so surprised and it was so illogical.  That didn't go over well either.   
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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2015, 05:35:22 PM »

I hear emotional dysregulation and projection.

What's the back story?

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Mutt,

I definitely triggered her, and I know that now.  I'm an empath and also struggle with anxiety, mild depression, and low self-esteem.  So, whenever she texts me and says that she is struggling with something, I feel like the weight of the world is on my shoulders and I worry constantly about how she's doing.  

After not speaking for most of the summer, we began texting again in early August, after she broke up with her boyfriend.  She needed a place to live and was having a hard time finding one.  I tried to be understanding and to offer my support.  However, at the same time, I knew that I was probably contacting her more often than I should have and was usually the one who began a text conversation.  She was always the one to end the conversation.  

A few days before her birthday, I texted her and said that I sometimes forget that we aren't friends anymore and text her like we are.  She replied, "Why aren't we friends?  I thought we were."  I didn't know what to say, so I went all day without replying.  That night, I texted her and said, "Because you ended our friendship in June.  I was upset and confused all summer.  Are we friendly?  Yes.  Can we be friends?  I don't know.  Maybe."  That was on a Tuesday night, I think.  She ignored my texts the next day.  On Thursday morning, the day before her birthday, I texted her and said, "At least let me know that you're okay."  She replied, "I'm fine.  I'm moving into my new apartment next weekend."  I asked her where she was moving, and she told me.  I said, "That's a nice town."  She replied, "Most of it is."  I sent a few other texts, and she stopped replying.  Later that evening, I sent a few more texts and got no reply.  

The next morning, when I got up for work, I sent her a happy birthday text, featuring a picture of a cat with a unicorn horn (references to things from our friendship).  She didn't reply, and throughout the day, I sent her texts, each one increasing in annoyance.  After not getting replies all day, I texted her around midnight and asked why I was getting the ST.  She replied, "Because I've been letting people read your texts all day, and they've unanimously decided that you're crazy."  I then fell right into JADE, which is something that's pretty hard to avoid at midnight, after not hearing from someone all day.  Among other things, I said, "You can't kick someone out of your life and then just expect to be friends again."  I added, "A simple thank you for wishing you a happy birthday would have been nice."  She replied, "I was sleeping all morning.  Also, I don't want to be friends with you, so stop assuming things."

Five days later, I apologized for some of the things I said to her throughout the day because they definitely were out of line and asked her a question about a student she had in class last year.  After replying but not actually answering my questions, her last reply was, "Ok."  That's the last thing I heard from her, almost five weeks ago.

The next day, I found out from her ex-boyfriend that, on her birthday, she went to his house when he was at work, a month after they broke up, and stole $300 from him.  

So, I think this has been a mixture of abandonment fears (my comment about us not being friends) and shame (the feeling that she's a bad person for various reasons, especially stealing from the man who saved her life back in June).  She has a new boyfriend now, so I'm sure she's in the idealization phase right now and has probably painted most people black.  She also refuses to communicate with her ex-boyfriend.  

Over the summer, we didn't communicate for about five weeks.  I know she was giving me the ST for at least a week or so after she ended our friendship because I texted her and she didn't reply.  Eventually, I stopped texting her.  Eventually, she sent me a card, and when I texted her to thank her, she replied.  So, even though she was telling her ex-boyfriend that I'm crazy, she didn't delete my contact info or block me.  A few weeks later, I asked her a question and got a reply of "No."  I sent her a few more texts and didn't hear from her.  A few days later, she texted me.  Since she stopped replying to me five weeks ago, I've sent her several texts, all of them unanswered.  Because I stopped texting her during the summer, I can't really compare this current situation to back then.  It's quite possible that I would have gotten the silent treatment all summer, too.  Of course, she may have also blocked me.    

Her ex and I agree that her emotional dysregulation got worse after she was in the psych ward and was diagnosed with BPD.  Her rages and physical abuse towards him increased in severity and regularity.  Her hygiene decreased as her drug use increased.  

She once told me that she dyes her hair after she's gone through a bout of depression.  She's been dyeing it constantly recently and chopped all her hair off in July.  Her physical appearance has definitely decreased as well in the past few months.  

This discard is much different than last time.  Last time, she was full of rage, feeling engulfed by me, and idealizing her now ex-boyfriend.  This time, it was all projection and shame.
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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2015, 05:53:11 PM »

Hi SummerStorm,

I understand. I can relate with almost everything that you said. It hurt like hell when she left me, she made a choice, a choice I had zero control over. A hard pill to swallow.

Do you feel like its time to let her go? Here are a couple of articles that may help.

7) Belief that if you say it louder you will be heard

9) Belief that you need to stay to help them
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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2015, 06:06:15 PM »

Hi SummerStorm,

I understand. I can relate with almost everything that you said. It hurt like hell when she left me, she made a choice, a choice I had zero control over. A hard pill to swallow.

Do you feel like its time to let her go? Here are a couple of articles that may help.

7) Belief that if you say it louder you will be heard

9) Belief that you need to stay to help them

I was doing really well near the end of July, but then she contacted me again.    I know I can't help her.  Only she can help herself.  More than anything, I think I'm hoping that she will reply to me and just say, "I don't want to talk to you anymore."  The way she left things is very vague.  I mean, that was the second time she told me she didn't want to be friends.  She paints me black, but she never paints me pitch black like she does with other people.  I almost wish she did. 

I have a house and am single.  I feel like she's always going to paint me white whenever she needs a place to live. 

I think part of me hopes that she will paint me blacker if I text her every once in a while.
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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2015, 06:13:54 PM »

SummerStorm,

I have similar feelings. I'm split white and I liked being split black although I detested it at first. I find that I get little to no attention when I'm split black, its less disruptive with her messages.

I struggled with being split white and I was worried that she would try to recycle. I don't have to recycle if I don't want to? I have boundaries in place to protect me.

My advice is, maybe you'll get your answers further along with your healing? For now, it may be a good idea to self protect, so it doesn't interfere with your healing, it's also a good idea to detach to get off the emotional rollercoaster. You'll find that these messages will not be triggering.


She just wants attention. You have the control with taking your power back.

You have standards. I don't know about you but I felt like I deserved much better than what my ex wife was able to give to me.

Do you feel like you deserve better?
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