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« on: June 05, 2017, 09:42:53 PM »

Hello,

My BPD cheated, broke up with me out of no where, and replaced me the day after with someone I know (not a friend). The relationship was rocky after a year but we meant everything to each other. I was literally her backbone.

It's been 7 months since the breakup, never once has she taken responsibility or apologized. 3 moths NC after she repeatedly charmed and continued to display extremely abusive behavior and words towards me, about how I was to blame. I'm still struggling to cope. I have spent months learning about BPD and come to terms with the illogical and nonsensical behavior and actions and completely understand the source of her illness but it hasn't helped me forget her. Although things have improved drastically and I am no longer feeling severe symptoms of PTSD, there are questions that I ask myself everyday about what she is thinking, feeling in regards to me and our relationship after such a brutal discard.

It's important to note she is 23 and started dating me two weeks after a failed marriage of two years. After her husband left her, she was constantly depressed about her failed marriage, obsessed with being angry at her ex and constantly mentioned how he was the love of her life and how much he meant to her. No matter how close we were, how much we grew to love each other and how real and intense our relationship was, I feel like a rebound, forgotten and that she feels she did the right thing.  

I have some very specific questions I keep asking myself that I need answers to. I personally am NOT interested in reading "move on", "it doesn't matter what she is thinking, focus on yourself", "it's over, she had BPD and it will never make sense" type answers. GIVE IT TO ME STRAIGHT! I completely understand that she has painted me black. that she can not face feeling guilty. that she projects her feelings to blame me. I understand she uses defense mechanisms in order to cope and make her self feel better about what she did to me.

 QUESTIONS:

-Even though she is able to spin things in her favor in her own head, does she conciously/subconciously realize/ understand what she has actually done?

-Does she know how ___ed up it was but just thinks it's in her best interest so she had to do what she had to do? or does she really not see it?

- does she realize how much she has hurt me and just won't allow her self to admit it? does this haunt her? does it pain her to know how cruel she was?

- In my experience sometimes even when I know I am wrong I can be stubborn. Is she conscious of the destruction she caused thus feels shame and guilt but hides behind a new relationship and suppresses her feelings? Or does she truly not understand and actually is does not comprehend reality?

- I know she was devastated about her previous relationship but that was her HUSBAND and he left her! Does she feel pain for the loss even after she left me? even after finding someone new to love?

- Even though I am painted black, is she able to have positive memories of the good times? is she able to miss me? is she capable of being triggered from reminders, vacations, pictures, locations? Or is she ACTUALLY so consumed in her new r/s that it doesn't even cross her mind as she has the ability to suppress and forget?

- She was very smart and lucid. I know she was able to miss and long for someone she used to love. What I am basically trying to understand is if her BPD literally alters her understanding and perception, or if it gives her the ability to suppress past memories and feelings without ever getting rid of them. Does is linger? does it haunt her?

All reply's are appreciated.





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« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2017, 10:02:38 PM »

Well, we can't tell you exactly what someone else is thinking. You don't know what the real story is about her marriage. There is always two sides and then the truth. They usually lie about the last person anyway, as she will do about you. I'm not sure they fully comprehend what they have done to someone emotionally, because they think it's so easy to move on to someone else. I would not give her any sympathy though- you are suffering all the same, give yourself a break. You said give it to you straight, the thing is they are so complicated. You will never really understand her motives. They just think differently and there is nothing you can do or say to change that- they need help for that. Be glad you were not in it longer and try not to be recycled. Learn to avoid this in the future and become a better person for it. Get help if you need it. Yes, she felt good times with you, but she is using the new person to forget about you. You are never truly let go though- she can come back to use you again if this one gets rocky, so get strong in the meantime. Sorry you are in pain, we all understand here. Your reality was twisted and it takes awhile to come back from that. I think they live life full of drama like the movies. They need it to "feel" something. The minute it gets comfortable they get bored I suppose. They feel love, but it's an immature love I think. Again, I'm going by my ex and what he said. They are similar but not all the same. Hope that makes sense. I think they have terrific memories, but they can compartmentalize. Put the information away until they need it again. My ex told his parents he will always regret what he did to me. I don't believe it for a second -that was what he was supposed to say. They are good at that too
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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2017, 12:54:42 PM »

Hello,

My BPD cheated, broke up with me out of no where, and replaced me the day after with someone I know (not a friend). The relationship was rocky after a year but we meant everything to each other. I was literally her backbone.

It's been 7 months since the breakup, never once has she taken responsibility or apologized. 3 moths NC after she repeatedly called and continued to display extremely abusive behavior and words towards me, about how I was to blame. I'm still struggling to cope. It's important to note she is 24 and started dating me two weeks after a failed marriage of two years. No matter how close we were, how much we grew to love each other and how real and intense our relationship was, I feel like a rebound, forgotten and that she feels she did the right thing. 

I completely understand that she has painted me black. that she can not face feeling guilty. that she projects her feelings to blame me. I understand she uses defense mechanisms in order to cope and make her self feel better about what she did to me.

 QUESTIONS:

-Even though she is able to spin things in her favor in her own head, does she conciously/subconciously actually realize/ understand what she has actually done? does she realize how much she has hurt me and just won't allow her self to admit it? does this haunt her? does it pain her to know how cruel she was?

- She was very smart and lucid. I know she was able to miss and long for someone she used to love. What I am basically trying to understand is if her BPD literally alters her understanding and perception, or if it gives her the ability to suppress past memories and feelings without ever getting rid of them. Does is linger? does it haunt her?



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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2017, 01:38:11 PM »

Maybe in the moment, if they dwell on it, it will hurt them. But they are experts at rationalizing and suppressing. I don't think it lingers especially because they are the victim. All her exe's were evil to her who had wronged her.

I'm a little more well versed in this stuff than exe's but it didn't stop me from being really angry, and raging (like today). She did send an apology 2 weeks ago, but it was only sincere in the moment. Honestly, she was probably just saying what she thought she should say. Not once in the relationship did I get a sincere, genuine apology from her.

I don't think it haunts them. The truth I wrongly told her is probably going to be used to show that I was a lunatic who acted out, and was verbally abusive after the relationship. So no, they always win in that regard. 
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« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2017, 02:37:26 PM »

I verified a couple of my exBPDs stories through her sister, but I can honestly see why 3 out of her 5 exes became "stalkers" and still try to reach out on fb or Instagram. She never gave them closure and they most likely ended as abruptly as she did with me. They might even get a thrill out of the fact that some still look for them, she would go on about her ex and how evil he was, how he physically and sexually assaulted her... .mind you she was technically cheating on him with me (I didnt know she had a bf as she told me she didnt) and when I found out I became the friend she would call every time he left her stranded somewhere... .usually saying that it was over, only to go back to him a few days later. Yet I who treated her like a Goddess, got one chance.

I wish we could get a BPD's view on this, as I either feel angry that they could be so cold to just cut someone off, or sad that they cant control themselves. Do we have any BPD's on this board?
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« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2017, 03:35:49 PM »

I wish we could get a BPD's view on this, as I either feel angry that they could be so cold to just cut someone off, or sad that they cant control themselves. Do we have any BPD's on this board?

A while ago I curiously looked up more BPD forums and found one for people with the disorder. And on there a lot of them felt guilt and shame for ruining their relationships. The interesting thing was a lot of comments were about "If he's not right for you then leave him or her!"

I take it with a grain of salt though. Because the individuals who are posting have obviously come to terms with possible traits, and want to get help. If you don't see the traits or dx then you won't realize any of this. It will probably be everyone else's fault no matter what, and the guilt/shame will be suppressed or rationalized away.
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« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2017, 04:04:39 PM »

I could only speak about my BPDex, and she knows something is wrong. In a lucid moment, she told me that her best friend suggested she get help into why she repeated the same patterns in her relationships. She once proudly showed me the psychiatrist she chose . Of course she never followed through.

She also would go through periods where she would drink heavily.  I suppose part of it was to kill the shame.  Last weekend with her,  she told me she has whole familys against her. Yet there she goes, off to the next. For her it's survival.  This is what she knows. As long as she's able to attract willing participants she will continue breaking hearts. Other thing that struck me was her fascination with Syrens.  She had many portraits and her social media was stacked with pictures of syrens.

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« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2017, 05:53:25 PM »

Hi inter and Welcome

-Even though she is able to spin things in her favor in her own head, does she conciously/subconciously realize/ understand what she has actually done?

When people with BPD (pwBPD) experience distorted feelings and memories, they don't just put a "spin" on their memories like trying to see things through a rosy or black lens.  They may literally re-imagine what happened in a manner that accommodates their distorted feelings.

This behavior makes it very difficult if not impossible for pwBPD to learn from their experiences.  And for them, they feel like they keep running into the same problem: they keep find bad partners and they are always the victim (more or less).

And as I understand it, when they find a new primary attachment, how they perceive their old attachments is muted or disconnected. They might accept that they did something hurtful but have no incentive to right any wrong... .unless their motivation is to recycle the relationship.

Then again, it is also possible that one day they might recover.  And perhaps then they might choose to make amends?  Until then, don't hold your breath.

-Does she know how  **ed up it was but just thinks it's in her best interest so she had to do what she had to do? or does she really not see it?

My guess is that she abandoned/betrayed you in some way.  And sadly, unrecovered, I don't think she will ever look into why she did what she did.  From her perspective, you were the one who always threatened to abandon/betray her (even though you didn't).  It was her distorted/disordered emotions that were affecting her.  And she acted on these disordered emotions.

- does she realize how much she has hurt me and just won't allow her self to admit it? does this haunt her? does it pain her to know how cruel she was?

The pain that you feel... .  The haunting that you feel having been hurt... .  This is the pain and loss that pwBPD can't get away from.  Except that it is the pain that they experienced from way back.  These are the distorted/disorder emotions that they experience.  Not at the beginning of their relationships, but as their relationships start to develop and become deeper.  Then they become more and more obsessed on how much they are hurting (or will hurt) and they become convinced that we are the ones who are hurting them.

When you are in such pain, you don't really have much more space in your head to consider how others might be in pain.

And I know you probably didn't do anything to inflict upon her this kind of pain.  But it is to this pain that she reacted, when she did what she did to you.

- In my experience sometimes even when I know I am wrong I can be stubborn. Is she conscious of the destruction she caused thus feels shame and guilt but hides behind a new relationship and suppresses her feelings? Or does she truly not understand and actually is does not comprehend reality?

As far as I'm concerned, *all* the relationships pwBPD enter into is in an effort to suppress their feelings.  This is why at the beginning they are so thankful that we are the one person who promises never to hurt them, never to abandon them.  But then later on, their disorder causes them to believe that we will certainly hurt them and abandon them.

If this is consistently their experience with new relationships, is there any space for "reality" in their close relationships?

- I know she was devastated about her previous relationship but that was her HUSBAND and he left her! Does she feel pain for the loss even after she left me? even after finding someone new to love?

You don't know that her husband actually left her.  But you know that she *believes* her husband left her (or had meant to leave her).  I'm arguing that it is possible that *she left him* because she believed that he was going to leave her.

Did she feel much pain after she left her husband?  You were there.  I'd expect her to have as much difficulty having left you, as she did after she left her husband.

- Even though I am painted black, is she able to have positive memories of the good times? is she able to miss me? is she capable of being triggered from reminders, vacations, pictures, locations? Or is she ACTUALLY so consumed in her new r/s that it doesn't even cross her mind as she has the ability to suppress and forget?

She might miss you.  I imagine she will definitely start missing you when her distorted/disorder emotions start affecting her relationships with her current attachment.  I think that if she needs to you be the "bad guy" in her emotional narrative, then she will continue to paint you black.  And if her emotional needs change in a way that paints you otherwise, such as upon consideration for a recycle, then she might.

Then again, she might not.

- She was very smart and lucid. I know she was able to miss and long for someone she used to love. What I am basically trying to understand is if her BPD literally alters her understanding and perception, or if it gives her the ability to suppress past memories and feelings without ever getting rid of them. Does is linger? does it haunt her?

I believe it all gets compartmentalized and gets placed among many, many compartments.

I think when it comes to thoughts/memories that linger and haunt, you might be better served by considering if you are experiencing any such.

Best wishes,

Schwing
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