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I'm so torn. I'm in such a low place st the moment that I fear if he reached I would jump at the opportunity to make the pain stop short term. On the other hand, disconnecting from him has been the hardest thing I e had to go through and I cannot imagine doing it more than once!
I can't decide what to "hope" for, I just hope he stays away until I'm strong enough to have more perspective on that.
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Hi Lalathegreat,
I have been recycled more times than I ever should have allowed. This break up is by far the longest and cruelest out of my relationship with my ex. But, the discard/recycle mess came along many times before this break up. Even during this one, just when I felt myself getting to a point of acceptance and deciding to move forward... .BOOM recycled. It only lasted 4 days and it broke me when just as quickly as it came, it was gone. Cruel and cold all wrapped tight with a bow.
Quote from: Lalathegreat on June 27, 2017, 10:46:26 AM
On the other hand, disconnecting from him has been the hardest thing I e had to go through and I cannot imagine doing it more than once!
I can't decide what to "hope" for, I just hope he stays away until I'm strong enough to have more perspective on that.
I just recently wrote about how I struggle with whether or not I want to be recycled again. I think I struggle with it because, as I said, our break ups in the past that led to her recycling me were NEVER this awful. They were bad, sure. But the recycles didnt even really feel like actual recycles. They were. No doubt. But they didnt FEEL like they were.
This last one finally FELT like it. It was awful and detaching a second time in such a short amount of time was twenty times more difficult. I finally went NC and it did relieve me of those feelings (for the most part) -- She left me alone until last night when she emailed me about some mail and how it would be "in my best interest to unblock her" (I posted about it earlier today) ... .I took the bait and responded. I dont think it was a recycle attempt at all... .but she was definitely trying to see if I'd respond and if she still has me under her thumb. She loves when she thinks she could have me at the drop of a hat.
Lesson learned: STAYING NC. No. More. Replies.
My advice: Hope for peace... .and then chase after it. You'll catch it, my friend. Him staying away is in your power if you actively block him and try NC. Sure, he could creep up like mine did. But I know now I dont HAVE to respond. You have that choice as well.
Do what is right for you, whatever that may be. Self care Self love above all.
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I havent been recycled. Then again our relationship wasn't that long so... .
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Lala hang in there! You can SO do this! I am so happy for you that you are away from all that drama you dealt with while on vacation, just being home, etc. Is your life calmer and on a more even keel? Just think about all the tears you cried and the abuse you endured while in the r/s. I am looking to be like you every day, and YOU ARE STRONG ---Allow yourself to miss him and the love. Yet always remember the price you paid.
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Lala, I chose to recycle several times, the longest two being after 6 months and the latest (3 weeks) being after 5 months. It has contributed to significant feelings of self-loathing and regret, which were FAR worse than missing him (I initiated all breakups but his pleas, tears and constant contact were always successful in getting me back). I hate myself more every time, and if my kids even knew I was even SPEAKING to him they would be disgusted and distraught beyond belief. No one knows except the people on this board, and it makes me feel so dishonorable and dishonest. For me, it is so not worth it, and once again, I am trying to figure out a way to leave. This time I will have to go NC for my own sanity, because the major reason I always accepted a recycle is because I left the door open because I was convinced NC was cruel and unusual punishment.
I'm starting to think that NOT going NC is cruel and unusual punishment for ME.
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Quote from: chillamom on June 27, 2017, 12:07:01 PM
I'm starting to think that NOT going NC is cruel and unusual punishment for ME.
Well said! I used to tell myself I wouldnt go NC because "what if something happened and she needed me. It would be cruel to leave her feeling desperate and alone" ---- But... .wait a second... .isnt that what shes done to me EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. ?
This time... .NC it is. I broke that yesterday taking her bait. It wont happen again.
I see now, as you said, its cruel and unusual punishment for ME.
Love how you put that, Chillamom. Will be using it in my "reassurance" moments that Im doing whats right for me.
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Hi lalathegreat,
from your post, it sounds like you might be experiencing something called cognitive dissonance, and it is quite common in the aftermarth of a relationship like this.
I know only too well how mind bending it is to what two totally contradictory feelings as the same time. And for me, maybe the same as you, while I was detaching, part of me, the emotional part, really really wanted my expwBPD back. I longed for her. But my rational logical mind, didn't want anything to do with her, my rational mind knew she was very damaging to me, and was abusive. So like yourself, I was in conflict with myself, I was as you put it "torn".
It can take a little time for your emotional mind to catch up with your rational mind, and there is no logic that can "explain" what is good for you to your emotions, our emotions just feel what they feel, and we have to help the emotions get processed through.
One way to give yourself the space, both physically and emotionally, to help you process all this stuff is to go No Contact. This will help your rational mind, by giving your emotional mind the time and space to process what has happened to you, and for you get a better perspective on what you want for yourself. NC is not about your ex, it is just about you, and helping you gain calmness and stability.
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I've recycled several times-- all in all we've had 4 times of being together, each one significantly shorter than the rest, which people on this board say is typical. The first was 9 months, the second was 6 months, the third was three months, and the last one was just 5 days!
After the last go-round (which was just last week!), I think of the word recycle in a new way-- it means going through the idealization, devaluation, discard cycle again. Each of the times together moved through the stages-- which I understand to be a hallmark of the illness. I guess since the last one was only 5 days that one will probably be our last one since it would be hard to be much shorter!
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I haven't been recycled, and I'm truly grateful for that!
I've been reading these boards for a few years now, and I've seen a lot of recycle stories.
None of them are happy.
The "honeymoon period" doesn't come back. If there's a period of happiness, it's very brief, and then the toxic elements of the relationship resurface, worse than before. The pain of the breakup is as bad or worse than the first time. I can't say I've seen any stories that have deviated from this pattern.
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Going on 3 months after the breakup and not even a word from her. I suspect she moved on to screwing her Boss who sent her a few texts asking her if she wanted to have sex in the parking lot, which she showed me in what I now have learned to be a triangulation phase. I bumped into him turning into her street, which he doesn't live at all near by. Mind you she broke up with me by telling me she had a lesbian encounter and felt she was into women. These relationships are toxic to the core. I wanted her to reach out and at least explain the ending a little better since she gave me all sorts of mixed signals but then finally went silent when I expressed my love. Now I honestly wish she fails at everything, which hurts me because that is not the type of person I am. I just felt so used and discarded like trash when I was no longer needed.
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I was going to say no, but on further reflection I see that there were two or three "recycles" that happened before the ultimate ghosting. I just had not considered them as such. He would decide it was too painful to be in touch with me and would say he was going to take a break, and then he would be back as his old affectionate self. I remained as much his as ever, even when he was taking time for himself. and so--because of the circumstances of our relationship --I didn't see them as "recycles". But I suppose that's what they were.
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I've not been recycled. We've only been split up a few months, however I am certain he knows I'll never go there and won't even attempt. I've been really clear. He's attempted to communicate a couple of times, perhaps to test the water, and I've not responded. Looks like he has the message as this has stopped. Fingers crossed! Not that I'm at any risk of going back. My eyes are open.
Love and light x
PS to anyone having mixed feelings about NC, have you read this article? It's very helpful.
https://bpdfamily.com/content/no-contact-right-way-wrong-way
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I have to say as painful as the recycles were, I learned a lot from them. From the middle two, I learned not to be controlling. From the last one, I heard a lot of the difficult stuff and her past relationship, and my heart was finally able to accept (my head already knew but my heart was stubborn) that she has a very difficult illness.
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Quote from: Lalathegreat on June 27, 2017, 10:46:26 AM
I can't decide what to "hope" for, I just hope he stays away until I'm strong enough to have more perspective on that.
I really feel for you with this. When my marriage ended, we did attempt to reconcile, for a few months, complete with therapy. I wouldn't quite call it a recycle. In the end, we didn't, and now, years later, we are moving forward on final divorce steps.
In the period where we were working on reconciliation, my feeling was... .
Overall, I'm grateful that all I ever got from here were half-offers or perhaps quarter-offers to come back to our marriage. Very clearly NOT good enough. [Very short version: She wasn't willing to go NC and stay NC with the guy she cheated on me with, which was my one hard minimum requirement]
There were so many other more subtle and complicated issues, and I had spent so much time compromising myself on them. I'm glad I never had to deal with that choice. I'm afraid I would have said "yes" and then fallen back into the codependent crap of my marriage that I was just getting free of.
I totally get your hope that he stays away while you get stronger!
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Hi Lalathegreat,
I didn't recycle although she did try to keep at arms reach and finally when he moved in with her a few months later she approached and wanted to talk to me about being friends, I was in minimal contact with her, I still am today. My guess is that she wanted to fallback on me if her r/s with her bf fell through.
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[Very short version: She wasn't willing to go NC and stay NC with the guy she cheated on me with, which was my one hard minimum requirement]
A deal-breaker for me is cheating, plus I didn't want to teach the kids that it's OK to be treated the way that dad was and to take that person back. The kids are still young but I'm sure that some, maybe not all will have a sense of what happened. I wanted to show them to stick up for yourself. I haven't been recycled and a boundary on myself is that I won't recycle.
When a r/s ends for me or even if I get fired or quit a job, usually it's over for a good reason the first time around, I have no interest in going back. I understand that not all people are like that and I respect that, it's just not me.
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Thank you everyone! I have flirted with the idea of blocking his number to protect myself, but haven't quite been able to do so. And if I'm completely honest, a much larger part of me than I care to admit hopes that he will make contact at some point. But I hate myself for that. Just what I need - self loathing! Ugh... .
Steelwork - Looking back I think I can identify TWO instances similar to what you describe where I can see that I was probably being "recycled". The "break ups" never felt final or "real", but in these instances he verbally assaulted me - informed me that the relationship was over, and then "took it back" soon after.
What a bloody nightmare.
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Hello Lalathegreat
I so much understand where you are now because I have been there too.
I never let myself be recycled, he did try though. He sent me a few messages and after the last one I told him I'd charge him with stalking if he'd continue. He stopped right away.
It's incredibly hard to be where you are. Please practice a lot of self care. Cuddle up in the sofa, watch a movie, buy yourself a new parfume, have a new haircut. You are worth taking very well care off !
I think NC is the only way to detach healthily, at least it's like this for me.
Don't let yourself be recycled. You'd have to go through all of the difficult moments you have gone through yet, once again. You have gotten this far, please stick it out.
I recommend reading 'the journey from abandonment to healing'.
Kuddos to you !
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I haven't been recycled after 7 months now. 7 months ago I would habe done anything to get her back. Now I might consider it if she were working with a therapist and accepting some more personal responsibility. Hang in there. It will take a little time to heal.
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I had quite a bad break up 2 months ago nearly now with my ex. She just come out of a psychiatric hospital and blocked me completely because I controlled her, didn't trust her, stressed her and put her in there. I know I didn't but the thought she thinks that is bad enough.
She's meeting other guys already and partying every weekend so I imagine she's doing her best to take her mind from it or she's not bothered ha I don't know
Is it unlikely after 6 weeks no contact and 7 weeks broke up that she wants to even consider coming back? I don't really know how her mind will work but I'm not going to attempt upsetting her more.
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Quote from: Lalathegreat on June 27, 2017, 07:57:29 PM
Thank you everyone! I have flirted with the idea of blocking his number to protect myself, but haven't quite been able to do so. And if I'm completely honest, a much larger part of me than I care to admit hopes that he will make contact at some point. But I hate myself for that. Just what I need - self loathing! Ugh... .
Steelwork - Looking back I think I can identify TWO instances similar to what you describe where I can see that I was probably being "recycled". The "break ups" never felt final or "real", but in these instances he verbally assaulted me - informed me that the relationship was over, and then "took it back" soon after.
What a bloody nightmare.
Hello Lala,
Recycling is the dance that pwBPD & NON's do ... .& we do it very well. It is only when the NON decides she/he have had enough & decide to move on that the music finally stops. As others have pointed out it will ONLY stop when YOU decide to make it stop. My first identifiable BPD r/s didn't reach out to recycle ME for 16 yrs. BUT unknown to me she had become a part of my Step mothers & Step sisters life & when I was in the process of my marriage of trying to work things out, did they all 3 "collude" to have her recycle me. By this time I was in no mood to deal with her flying monkey's and told her in no uncertain terms would I ever want to be with her physically or other wise. I still believe she's waiting for a weak moment in my life for her to return to try & recycle yet again ... .it's what they do, it's who they are at the core of the Very Serious Cluster B Mental Illness.
So several questions to you ... .Do you want to be recycled yet again? Do you want to continue to be at their beckon call at a moments notice? Do you want to continue to feel like you do right now? Do you want to continue to as you put it, "Hate myself"? What purpose would it serve to get recycled yet again? Do you feel the outcome would be any different then any other time you've been recycled?
I would suggest to seek out a good therapist well versed in BPD vs NON r/s to help & assist you to get through this part. It's a sign of great strength to seek assistance & not weakness. Perhaps they could assist you in your journey of self discovery & find out the core reason why you're the codependent/rescuer/perfectionist that you are. Unless you decide that you like to recycle and feel the way you currently do ... .
The choice has been & will ALWAYS be YOURS to make on the path you choose to walk LaLa.
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some food for thought for this discussion:
Relationship Recycling Takes Two
Excessive relationship recycling, or break-up/make-ups are common in some “BPD” relationships. 70% of our members having unsuccessful relationships report having had 4 or more break-up/make-ups. 23% report an unbelievable 10 or more.
Recycling is about both parties. The real dynamic is that both parties return to a place they feel is safer/easier than being apart. So, in effect, the couple struggles to work together and each struggles in weakness to be apart or alone.
Living with excessive recycling is an unhealthy place to be. When you repeatedly recycle, clearly something is very wrong.
Recycling can become the “norm” in a relationship. with both parties can becoming conditioned to it after a while. Accepting this “norm” is the ultimate boundary violation – you are not treating each other well - you are not treating yourself well.
If you have been through more than 3 break-up/make-ups in your relationship, it's important to recognize that it is unlikely to get better if something doesn't significantly change. Repeated recycling will not go away on its own. One person can’t fix it unilaterally (stop the breakups).
Is Recycling Always Unhealthy?
Not always. Let's break this down. Sixty-two (62%) of relationships do not end at the first break-up. For a wife to have second thoughts about a divorce is normal. Sometimes our own self doubt makes us want to try one more time. Sometimes one partner promises to change something. To reconnect with a person after a break-up 1-2 times is really not all that unusual.
When there are more than 3-4 "break-up/make-up" cycles in a relationship there is something seriously wrong. And when this happens, the likelihood of a positive outcome are greatly diminished.
Why do we get caught up in cycles?
These are the questions we need to answer if we ever want the break-up/make-up cycle to end. Are we returning to this person because we are in love with them and the relationship has a chance, or are we returning to this person because they feel safe?
* Are we afraid to be alone?
* Do we have our own abandonment issues?
* Are we fearful that we cannot find someone as good as them again?
* Are we fearful of the next step (dating, financial issues, etc.)
Why do our "BPD" partners recycle?
It is hard for us to understand why our partner is expressing an interest after they left in a torrent of bad behavior (e.g., cheating, raging and telling us that we are a horrible people). "If they don't love me, why this?" The answer is much of the same reasons as we have... .plus a few others that are related to the disorder.
* Inability to deal with acute loneliness
* Severe insecurity / needing validation (from someone that highly values them)
* Shame / wanting to prove they are a good person (to us or themselves)
* Immaturity/Manipulation/Control - the break-up was just a way to get their way.
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