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« on: July 07, 2017, 09:36:04 PM »

Here's a licensed therapist talking about NP/BP idealization - discarding. Key thing I took away from this is that the devaluing can happen anywhere from a few weeks to a YEAR into the relationship. BOOM. That's the evidence I was looking for. I was so confused as I heard many people on these forums talking about how their BPD started going nuts on them weeks or months into the relationship and I felt like maybe the girl I dated wasn't disordered because it took her a good YEAR. This video really helped me a-lot and I hope it helps others on this site:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBBDaD6_Hvk
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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2017, 09:54:23 PM »

Thanks for that JB!
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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2017, 10:00:46 PM »

Thanks for that JB!

One thing I found VERY interesting, well not just one thing but one of many, was how she said the devaluing really has to do with the neediness of the victim, i.e. when does the NP/BP KNOW for a fact they have you in their grasps. Essentially when are you wanting more as in when do you want that relationship to really solidify with them is when they start acting up.

With me I was super confident with this girl for the entire first year. When she started pulling away at the one year mark I think it was because she got BORED of me and realized I wasn't going to fall for her nonsense, little did she know I was getting ready to take a noise dive emotionally because I felt her pulling away after a year of love bombing.

I thought it was because I wasn't good enough but it was because she got bored and needed someone to CONTROL. If I had know that before hand I wouldn't have taken her devaluing/discarding so PERSONALLY. I'm slowly starting to realize that we cannot take what they do personally, it is not about US!
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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2017, 09:04:45 AM »

Hi jingle,

So glad you've had this breakthrough and found the answers you were seeking, and thanks for sharing so that others can benefit too.  How does this leave you feeling now about your future?  What are you resolved to do for your own well being now?

Love and light x
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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2017, 09:18:29 AM »

theres some good stuff in the video, like:

-trust and intimacy are built slowly and over time (characteristics of healthy relationships)
-if someone puts you on a pedestal, youre both involved in an unrealistic fantasy

its not a very realistic portrayal of borderline personality disorder when we start talking about "targets" or using "love bombing" to hurt another person. its a mental illness of extreme emotions. intentions dont tend to be predatory, or any different than our own.

its clinically treacherous territory when we lump BPD and NPD together or use words like "malignant", especially considering what i will share below.

and it removes our opportunity to learn from our mistakes if we buy into a narrative that we were just good kind hearted people that were simply taken advantage of.

I'm slowly starting to realize that we cannot take what they do personally, it is not about US!

while it is true that people with BPD struggle with distorted thinking, and often act in ways led by it, our relationships consisted of two people who each played a role. how we got here is very much about us. most of it is explainable by human nature and dynamics.

That's the evidence I was looking for. I was so confused as I heard many people on these forums talking about how their BPD started going nuts on them weeks or months into the relationship and I felt like maybe the girl I dated wasn't disordered

i felt this way too, and i want to offer a bit of caution:

BPD is a spectrum disorder. Most of our exes are not in the "clinically personality disordered" category, but have traits of BPD (and can be very, very difficult people).

if you are finding that not everyones story aligns with yours, that is because our exes were as unique as we are, and one size does not fit all.

do be careful with internet lore about BPD - it is where urban legends abound. you will hear all sorts of different theories presented as fact, and it can be tempting to buy into the comforting ones that seem, on the surface, to fit. too many get stuck there, dont heal, and continue into dysfunctional relationships (me   )

i dont mean to be a wet blanket Smiling (click to insert in post). it is pretty common to go from "its all my fault" to, after learning about BPD, "its all their fault". the truth is more complex and somewhere in the middle. i know i gravitated toward whatever made me feel good and validated me for a while, and it stalled my healing and my growth. as ex romantic partners, we really arent in a position to know the extent of our exes BPD, and if we put the emphasis of our recovery there, we can easily miss the forest for the trees.

youre having some doubts. my advice would be to not try to diminish those doubts, but probe them; probe them in your threads. work through them. we can help Smiling (click to insert in post)
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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2017, 01:24:14 PM »

and it removes our opportunity to learn from our mistakes if we buy into a narrative that we were just good kind hearted people that were simply taken advantage of   

I agree with this!
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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2017, 10:18:26 AM »

This video (and the rest of this woman's videos) are wonderful and so, so helpful. I'm finding myself watching one after the other. Thank you for posting!
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