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« on: October 07, 2017, 09:11:13 PM »

I am engaged to a man with BPD. Our relationship has been full of ups and downs. It has been the most challenging, as well as the most passionate relationship I have ever had. He acknowledges his disorder (at times), and has started DBT about 3 months ago. I have seen a little improvement in his behavior since starting DBT, but am scared that I will be dealing with his issues for the rest of my life. I am discouraged, and feel as though my patience is running out. I am afraid I may never fully trust him. I have never been so disrespected and hurt when he has one of his episodes. I am sick of feeling hurt, sad, and disappointed. I am scared that my relationship will always fall short of what I need and deserve.
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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2017, 09:32:50 PM »

Hello discouraged, and welcome!  I'm sorry your facing this situation, but glad you found us.  We can all relate to having a history of ups and downs!  While there are no easy answers with BPD, the fact that your fiancee is going DBT therapy is a good sign.  I'm not an expert, but I think being in therapy is the exception rather than the rule for pwBPD so you have that going for you.  The tools you can learn here can help you with feeling disrespected and hurt.  Again, no easy answers, and this is hard work, but there is help and support here.

Tell us a little bit about your relationship.  When is your wedding date?  How long have you been a couple?  What improvements have you seen?  Can you tell us about a relationship concern or behavior that you might want some feedback on?

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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2017, 10:55:28 PM »

Thank you, its comforting to see so many people are facing some of the same challenges.

There is no wedding date... .we have been together for 3.5 years and engaged for a little over a year. I can't commit to a wedding date and we have made no wedding plans yet, more so because of my hesitation, not his.

We have been broken up and gotten back together more times than I can count, both since being engaged and previously, although he doesn't see it that way. I have moved out maybe... .3 times? Just to move back in again with varying times in between. Most recently I just moved back in with him after seeing some improvement in our relationship, just to be disappointed with more of the same behavior reemerging after only 1 day.

The improvements I have seen were mostly our interactions lately and lack of dramatic fights/break-ups. In hind sight I am wondering if it had improved just because we weren't living together and saw each other less frequently.
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« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2017, 01:50:59 PM »

It is true that you really get to know someone when you live with them.  The DBT therapy is a good sign I think.  I wish I could approach my pwBPD about therapy, but if even act like I'm trying to "do therapy" on him he tells me to stop it.  Even though he's not doing therapy, he seems to be making a mindful choice to try to do better.  The severity of his rages have gotten less aggressive, cruel, complete self confidence destroyer, and making me feel like I am about to break and can't take it anymore.  He still has his bad days though. 

Example, this afternoon.  I was unclear on something and when he said huh?  I guess I wasn't sure on what he didn't understand so I repeated.  That just infuriated him.  He went off on a rage (in front of the kids too, which he had been doing better) and really took me by surprise.  I stumbled with my response and wasn't able to think clearly with his sudden verbal attack.  That just made matters worse and when I finally got it together to give him the answer he wanted, he was already too angry.  He ended up storming out and I excused myself to cry a little in the kitchen.  Normally I brush it off, by with a surprise attack,  don't have a chance to mentally prepare for it. 

The disrespect and hurt is one of the hardest parts.  I keep hearing people tell me to emotionally detach, not take it personal, it's about what they are feeling and nothing to do with me.  It still doesn't stop certain things that are said from really taking a hit on the self confidence. He attacked me over text after he left. It took extreme amount of self control, preparing mentally before reading a text, not respond emotionally, stop to think about all the tools I learned.  Not to JADE and "rinse and repeat" popped in my head.  I have to keep reminding myself not get defensive or say I'm going to work on doing better with whatever made him mad.  I simply apologized for not being clear and I was unsure of what he didn't understand when he said that.  He attacked.  I breathed.  Validate, rinse and repeat.  I told him I can see why it is frustrating and I do apologize for being unclear.  (I apologized because I was pretty vague when telling him about it). He hasn't texted back yet.  That is a good sign however.

I currently am working on setting personal boundaries on what I absolutely will not tolerate.  Even though it angers him and adds fuel to the current rage, I do have to tell him at times that I do not appreciate being called names, talked to like that, etc.  I have to find the courage to do these things even though it is hard at the current time. 

This forum has helped me out immensely since I joined.  The insight from others, little tidbits and advice as well as hearing the experiences they are going through, make me feel like I'm not completely crazy or alone.  Feeling alone on this was very hard for me to deal with.  This place has been my safe zone to vent, help, and just talk about what I'm feeling and thinking.  I hope things get better for you.
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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2017, 09:27:44 PM »

There is no wedding date... .we have been together for 3.5 years and engaged for a little over a year. I can't commit to a wedding date and we have made no wedding plans yet, more so because of my hesitation, not his.
Great, so you can adjust the timeline to what makes sense.  You have time to learn about BPD, learn and practice coping skills, and see if that helps get you and your relationship to where you want to be before setting a date.

We have been broken up and gotten back together more times than I can count, both since being engaged and previously, although he doesn't see it that way. I have moved out maybe... .3 times? Just to move back in again with varying times in between. Most recently I just moved back in with him after seeing some improvement in our relationship, just to be disappointed with more of the same behavior reemerging after only 1 day.
One issue with relationships with pwBPD can be "engulfment," or getting pulled so close it is as if you are one person, with no boundaries between you.  This is especially common in young relationships, and with breakup cycles one can catch a breather and get oriented during the "out" time, but then one plunges back into the relationship.  pwBPD have strong emotional reactions, and their emotions form their reality.  Engulfment and being super close to someone whose reality revolves around themselves and their emotions can be mind bending, and if you are trying to make a life decision like whether and when to get married, it can be terribly difficult to maintain your bearings.  Does any of this ring true for you?

The trick is to develop external and internal frames of reference to balance your pwBPD's frame of reference.  Really, it's about using external resources to make sure you have a strong internal compass regarding your values and what you want in life.  Then *you* are charting *your* course.  External sources can be respected family members, trusted friends, reading relationship books, a therapist, and forums such as this one.  (Side thought -- I wonder if the folks at your fiancee's DBT center might be able to recommend a BPD-aware therapist you could see?)

Getting to know the other members on the Improving board, and their back stories, by reading and replying to their posts, and reading their replies on your posts, will give you some examples of what some long term relationships and marriages with pwBPD look like.  Because you have discovered BPD early in your relationship, and because your partner is doing DBT, you have some advantages compared to many of us, but you'll also want to pay attention to some of the lasting compromises that some of us are making and think about how that fits with your values and goals.

I would encourage you to become a student of coping techniques in BPD relationships and see how far it can take you.  Read some books.  Become a regular on this board.  Look at the resources on this Web site (there are many in the right hand bar).  Have you read any BPD books?  "Walking on Eggshells" is a popular starting point.

One more learning thought for you -- There is a book I'd have given a million dollars to have read before I got married.  It's called, "The Seven Principles for Making Marriage Work," by John Gottman and Nan Silver.  Gottman's work is evidence-based.  He has looked at thousands of couples with successful marriages and determined what traits they have in common.  It can be difficult to get a BPD relationship to match Gottman's ideals, but I believe the book would be a great help for you in setting your compass and be a valuable complement to BPD-specific reading.

The improvements I have seen were mostly our interactions lately and lack of dramatic fights/break-ups. In hind sight I am wondering if it had improved just because we weren't living together and saw each other less frequently.
It is not uncommon to have long periods of relative calm, then get right back into turbulence.  Even if true learning is going on, it can be a "two steps forward, one step back" situation.  Any kind of stress can cause issues (BPD symptoms can easily be exacerbated by stress).  Likewise a period of low stress can set you up for some good times.

The biggest takeaway here is to invest in yourself for a while -- in developing the skills to get the most out of a BPD relationship, in deeply understanding what you want in your marriage and life, and in developing confidence in your inner identity and strength.  That will set you up to make the best decision for yourself, and if you get married, will give you the best possible start as a distinct individual within that partnership.

What do you think?  Do "Eggshells" and "Seven Principles" seem like books you'd be up for reading?  We are glad you're here.  Stick with us, and you'll find that the folks here will cheer for you and be willing to invest a lot in your success!

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