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« on: January 17, 2018, 02:04:47 PM »

I have been trying to not have this person in my life since I got back in touch with him 2.5 years ago.

In that time I put up with too much.

I knew it was more than I could deal with.

Part of the reason it was too much to deal with is because I had just dealt with trauma before he entered my life. I had five years where not to downplay but for me it's a miracle I survived. I tried for five years to improve. And I finally did. I fought to live every single day. Not to sound dramatic.

Or maybe you do understand. I know many of you have been through a lot.

So anyway I just got out of that five years and I reconnect with this friend I had isolated from during that time.

He moves here one year later. Back before we lost touch actually helped me through the trauma. He was a friend that helped me through so he knows what it was like for me. And even what a miracle I came out of it.

I know that sounds dramatic but that kind of was the situation.

So anyway he moves here. Isn't at all who I thought he was. Pushes all my buttons.

Two years things are bad.

And now five- six months later.

I'm just now experiencing fall out from this.

Nothing is good about me right now. Emotionally. Mentally.

-I mean I need to take immediate and continued effort to not engage.
I can not engage. .

I need to stop wanting to engage. If I feel like it's overpowering me. I need to figure out a way not to let it.

I'm at a stage of wanting to vent. But if I vent and things go circular it could go very bad.

So just how can I force myself not to engage. How can I realize healing doesn't come from without. It is only going to ever come from me.

Part of this wanting to engage energy could actually be experiencing some of symptoms of trauma.
So I guess in a way that's probably truama management stuff.

I feel like i just answered part of my question which is that I need trauma counseling.

Okay but I just need some tips for how not to engage and strategy and thoughts if any of you have ever been through this or even if you haven't but you just have thoughts.
 
Also when I say engage I mean texts basically.
I'm a female. 

Also I guess I never added we had been engaging for like a week now. And it's now at the point where. I guess it's like the end. Where things are cuckoo.

I just realized and it's funny to me that I see it's the end. That I'm in the end of a bad situation. Like eye of hurricane. One day I'll look back at this but I'm in right now. 

The more I engage though the worse I feel. So I need to stop. Just trying to override the impulse.
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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2018, 02:28:20 PM »

I just realized something. Writing that revealed something to me. I'm in the eye right now. That means I just need to hunker down and weather up. Because this is the eye and it's not always not going to be this bad. You can almost tell I had to do emergency medical marijuana there. 
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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2018, 04:46:39 PM »

Hi Tiki,

I need to stop wanting to engage. If I feel like it's overpowering me. I need to figure out a way not to let it.

I don't know if this is the case for you, but when I was dealing with the aftermath of my BPD relationship, I had very strong impulses to want to get in contact with my BPD loved one.  It helped me when I started to see that these impulses were/are an avoidance behavior.

I would compare it to being in withdrawal of a drug to which I was addicted.  And those times that I did get back in touch with her, it was like I got another hit/dose (even if it was unsatisfactory).  And then I would have to restart my withdrawal process all over.

Getting back in touch, re-engaging with my BPD loved one, was all an effort to avoid facing the personal pain I carried.  Not just the pain of the break-up, ending/loss of the BPD relationship, but the pain of the stuff I didn't even begin to realize was there.  And the truth was, all this pain, was a lot, and was overwhelming.  And so it is now understandable that I would have these strong impulses, strong compulsion, to run away, or *avoid* this pain.  The more I wanted to get in touch with my BPD loved one, the greater was the pain I was trying to avoid.

I'm at a stage of wanting to vent. But if I vent and things go circular it could go very bad.

Venting is a good kind of release.  What do you mean "things go circular"?

For me, venting over the pain of the break-up and all the particulars (which were particularly painful for me), helped calm me a bit.  But the pain I felt, compared to the amount of time I kept feeling it long after the break-up, never quite squared away.  It was easier to relate to the pain of the break-up.  It was much more difficult to look into what was underneath what turned out to be the tip of the iceberg.

So just how can I force myself not to engage. How can I realize healing doesn't come from without. It is only going to ever come from me.

Part of this wanting to engage energy could actually be experiencing some of symptoms of trauma. So I guess in a way that's probably truama management stuff.

I feel like i just answered part of my question which is that I need trauma counseling.

Trying to break a bad habit, isn't only about stopping the bad habit.  It's easier if you can replace the bad habit with a good habit, especially if the good habit addresses exactly why you have the bad habit in the first place.

For me, to stop wanting to re-engage with my BPD loved one, I could either find another way to continue avoiding my pain.  Or I could stop avoiding the pain.  This is not the intuitive choice.

If putting your hand in the flames keeps hurting you, the pain of the burn should be motivation to stop you from wanting to burn yourself.  However, if the pain from the burn is helping you avoid facing a bigger kind of pain... . Now, what kind of pain gets relief from a lesser kind of pain?  If you're in a lot of pain because you broke your leg, you don't hit your head on the wall over and over to feel better.  But if you're addicted to pain killlers, you do.  Especially if that's the only way you can get your hands on your addiction.

I would compare this behavior to some of the self-destructive behaviors that people with BPD (pwBPD) exhibit (ie. cutting behaviors).  I don't make this comparison lightly.  But I do make it, because it helps me feel a lot more sympathetic to pwBPD.

Now in your case, you are considering the possibility that you need to recover from some trauma.

Would you consider if the trauma you are dealing with predates your more immediate experience with your BPD loved one?  In which case, you may have been using your whole BPD relationship as a means of avoiding the trauma you had before?

Healing doesn't come from without, but within, yes.  But there are many kinds of hurt that we experience from which we need help to heal.  I would not try to tough it out and go it alone with trauma no more than I would with substance addiction.

Okay but I just need some tips for how not to engage and strategy and thoughts if any of you have ever been through this or even if you haven't but you just have thoughts.
 
Also when I say engage I mean texts basically.

When I was in your situation, waiting until I had the impulse to want to get in touch with my exBPD loved one was already too late.  The trick was to manage myself and my feelings in such a way that the impulse got weaker and weaker until I no longer had that impulse.

I would compare this to allowing myself to get so hungry that I immediately turn to eating that comfort food that I'm trying to stop eating.  The trick would be to anticipate my hunger so I would never get hungry enough to depend on my bad habit.  This can be easy if you plan our your meals and eat consistently.  It's not so easy if you've never planned out your meals or ate consistently all your life.

And from an emotional perspective, I never knew how to take care of myself.  So I had to learn the basics.

You might look into trauma recovery.  But do so with a solid routine of rituals/habits that you use to take care of yourself in all the ways you need.  If you take on too much (pain for example) then it just makes it more appealing to find the easier release (i.e. re-engagement).

I hope some of this helps.

Best wishes,

Schwing
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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2018, 12:29:57 AM »

I only want to engage out of anger to argue. I guess it’s the arguing that is keeping me connected.  By engage I meant argue.  As if somehow I think arguing is going to help.

And I have to get it under control because it feels like it could make me look really foolish. I feel worked up to the extent that I hate to say I feel violent but I kind of do.

Ptsd can be really dangerous. So.

I need to stop arguing and making myself upset before I lose control.

I’m female and fairly harmful but I feel like I could have some kind of psychotic moment where I embarrass myself. And that can’t happen.
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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2018, 09:08:13 AM »

I feel ashamed. Though I’ve only been like this since last Tuesday. I’m better than this. This is going to stop for me. I’m better then this. I feel scared reading about things they do and being like yeah I feel psychotic and out of control too. Just like the worst cases here.

I have to be better than that. I need to focus on my trauma symptoms and be better than that. It’s so sickening.
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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2018, 03:19:27 PM »

Just wanted to say it broke. The fever anger. I know it was trauma because when it was gone it was completely gone. I now feel normal. I think it’s normal to have ptsd flare ups over time. I hope it doesn’t come back.

Anyway, thanks.
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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2018, 08:12:51 AM »

Can you just block him from your phone?

It's what I have done with my STBx, and it works wonders.

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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2018, 01:04:09 PM »

Can you just block him from your phone?

It's what I have done with my STBx, and it works wonders.

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I’m the psycho now.

And that’s the problem.

I can’t stop engaging.

And I was dignified for 2.5 years and now in one week I’ve gotten so crazy that I’ve undone all of that. Probably giving a lot of leverage too. It’s not a good look for me.

i’ve reexperinced trauma symptoms I haven’t had in three years.

So under that circumstance how do you say to yourself stop contacting?

I just don’t want him to live here. And he moved to my neighborhood and gaslights and probably I would assume gossips about me

And I’ve given him so much more leverage and I struggle to stop.

I’m struggling with him living here.

It seems so unfair. This is my space.

I have to get to spot where I feel neutral about seeing him.

But I think it does tic stuff off
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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2018, 02:13:46 PM »

I can’t stop engaging.


What has your reengaging been like?

Perhaps it would help to write down here what you'd like to say to your ex instead of sending it to him and engaging?

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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2018, 11:59:05 PM »

I can’t stop engaging.


What has your reengaging been like?

Perhaps it would help to write down here what you'd like to say to your ex instead of sending it to him and engaging?

J

Well he’s not an ex to clarify. He’s a friend who wanted more. Who was supposed to have been my best friend.

Your term REengaging is an interesting one to me. Because I didn’t realize that’s what this is. I have reengaged.

It’s now been about 10 days that I’ve been like this.

I think I’m really mad that he acted the way he did toward me. He was supposed to have been my best friend. He acted in a truely uncaring and selfish way toward me. Blamed me for it even. Which it just was all worse because he knew I had just gotten out of a bad mental situation. I politely asked him to respect that and he wouldn’t.

He moved here from his parents attic in an expensive city he couldn’t afford. To my awesome place in the world that’s the best and I love it more than anything.
It’s easy to make it here’s in relative terms.

Anyway I love my neighborhood. Like I mean love. It’s my greatest thing in life that I found it. Like every day I acknowledge feeling love for it. It also like when I moved here like 15 years ago it’s like everything clicked.

Its a neighborhood within a city and the neighborhood itself is tiny. It’s all walkable and like maybe not very many square miles. It’s small.

It feels like garbage that he treated me the way he did. My mental health the way he did. And now he lives here and doesn’t plan on leaving. And I don’t know who thinks they know something about me.

He tricks people also. And I don’t want him tricking people here. It feels bad.

And I can’t let it go. I don’t want him living here. More I don’t think I can take it.

I think these days I’m actually triggered into past trauma feelings. In 10 days time I started just drinking and smoking pot and I just can’t explain how intense trauma symptoms are. It feels like you get sucked into it. It’s really scary too because you never know how long it will last.

So I think I mostly tell him I would like him to move. I used to also argue for understanding on various things but I think through thinking about it I realize it can’t happen. It won’t happen. So I think that’s lessening with time.
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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2018, 12:08:57 AM »

This actually clarified a lot. I almost maybe medically can’t live here or he can’t. I think I will work on getting him to leave if I present it in the best way
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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2018, 12:24:02 AM »

And while I’m being crazy and posting to myself while on medicinal marijuana. I forgot what I was going to say. Literally. It was so important I posted to myself. And now I can’t remember. And it was angry. You would think that would cement the thought more.

Oh I know... I remembered. Am I really going to have to battle trauma symptoms extra hard the rest of my life because he lives here? Because that’s what’s happening. I’m having trauma symptoms from seeing him. And okay if I battle it and I overcome and learn skills. I still have to go through all that because he gets to live here?
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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2018, 01:49:18 AM »

 Also he’s been extremely cool about how i’ve been these last 10 days. I don’t know why. It’s the nicest he’s been.
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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2018, 04:17:29 AM »

Its difficult to not re-engage when your angry. for me its my strong sense of justice that provokes me into wanting to defend myself and my actions and point out that they were wrong.

What helped me was a bit of soul searching. Was I really angry at them or myself for letting them do what they did and treat me how they did? Was my wanting to defend myself about the injustice or was it more to do with my own insecurities?

When you can be honest with yourself then you can work through these things.

Yes I was just as angry at myself for letting her treat me how she did as for what she did.

Yes I wanted to defend myself because of my insecurities just as much as the injustice.

Knowing this I could then look at my own part in it. Why did I let her treat me like that? Why was I insecure?

It took a while to fully deal with this but I am now in a much better place. My ex could parade past my house with a string of lovers hurling abuse and all I would now do is smile and wave. You just have to look at the bigger picture and be honest with what you see to move forward.
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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2018, 10:49:26 AM »

Its difficult to not re-engage when your angry. for me its my strong sense of justice that provokes me into wanting to defend myself and my actions and point out that they were wrong.

What helped me was a bit of soul searching. Was I really angry at them or myself for letting them do what they did and treat me how they did? Was my wanting to defend myself about the injustice or was it more to do with my own insecurities?

When you can be honest with yourself then you can work through these things.

Yes I was just as angry at myself for letting her treat me how she did as for what she did.

Yes I wanted to defend myself because of my insecurities just as much as the injustice.

Knowing this I could then look at my own part in it. Why did I let her treat me like that? Why was I insecure?

It took a while to fully deal with this but I am now in a much better place. My ex could parade past my house with a string of lovers hurling abuse and all I would now do is smile and wave. You just have to look at the bigger picture and be honest with what you see to move forward.

That’s actually very helpful. The way you describe what you discovered was going on for you helps me understand what I am feeling. It does help to understand what underlining things are there. And when you understand what is going on for you it does make it easier to deal with things one by one. For example I’ve already made headway in not needing to defend myself. And I think it is the injustice angle now and also that I allowed this to happen.

However I never sought any ego gratification out of this. I never stayed within striking distance because I wanted to be there. It was because I kept asking permission to not be there and it was denied.

I never even liked the person upon meeting them. Only the person online. So I never gained any attachment to that actual person. From the time he moved here I knew what all this was.

Well actually it took four months for me to figure it out upon his moving here but regardless I didn’t like him as a person anyhow.
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