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« on: May 03, 2019, 09:44:46 AM »

Mod Note:  part 1 of this thread is here: 
https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?topic=336165.0;all


Good morning! Welcome new member (click to insert in post)

First I just want to thank everyone who has taken the time to reply to my situation.  All of the responses have touched my heart in the warm and welcoming way you are all here to help.  It makes me feel not so "alone" in all of this.

So much good advice.  At this point, my son still doesn't seem to "get it."  By that I mean, I would like to see him doing two major things now, which those of you who replied have also brought up:  1) Seek legal counsel, and 2) See a therapist.  

He did speak to someone on the phone who is a legal advisor through his company; however, it sounded very limited and not a whole lot of help.  He told my husband the jest of the conversation and it mainly centered around giving him a contact who is closer in proximity to where he lives (this may be a central number and they direct people to legal help closer to them), and child support calculations, which he told my son the worse case scenario for him to pay would be $158.00.  My son makes a little more than $50,000/annually and I find this really hard to believe that this is all he would have to pay.  He also told all of this to my husband who is hard of hearing unfortunately.

Knowing what he knows about her lack of mothering and inability to show affection or attention to the children, it boggles my mind how child custody is not in the front and forefront of his mind.  Right now there is just the same "verbal" agreement I spoke of before between them saying they would share 50/50 custody and not go to court, just keep it an understanding between them.  Well since April 16, night of breakup, he has had both kids 90% of the time.  Her reasoning is she cannot get into her apartment until May 1 and is staying with her girlfriend, so that is why her daughter is still staying with my son.  She says she is staying with her girlfriend who has a young boy that her daughter and him and have played together for years; yet she says she cannot take the little girl with her.  Why?  No explanation and my son accepts it because he says he "just wants to keep the peace."  

So here we are on May 3rd.  She had said earlier on that this would be the first night the kids would be able to stay with her so she could have time to assemble their beds.  Whoops!  She forgot, they can't stay tonight because it is her best friend's bachelorette party!  How would she not have know this date all along?  She is the maid of honor so she would have been the one preparing it - I have already seen things around the house that she was at least a part of preparing the party for her.  

Tomorrow my son has a work event from 10:00 am to 12:00 p.m he would like to attend and asked her if she would take their son (our grandson) tomorrow so he could attend.  (Her daughter is at her dad's for the weekend).  She didn't give him an answer at first - just ignored him.  Then she finally answered yes, and as soon as he gets home, she will be returning him back to my son.

Does this scenario look to anyone like it is 50/50, or is it just me?  I don't know why my son would even agree to a 50/50 type of situation because he has witnessed all of my son's life what "mothering skills" she has.  Why put your child through this?  

She has moved things out though not completely yet.  He is so ready to replace pictures and get rid of the pain of seeing bare walls, he went out yesterday and purchased some so he doesn't want to feel the pain so pain with the visibility of her absence.  I'm thinking instead of buying replacement pictures, shouldn't you be saving for a good attorney.

I'm thinking that I am getting so angry at his lax attitude about his child that perhaps I need to step back and stop trying to help.  I know that everyone has to go through loss at their own pace, just like grief.  However, when an innocent child is involved, I think you need to somehow put that first and foremost in your mind and quit allowing all the manipulation and control to continue?

So, time to step back for mom?  I have the book on Splitting sitting right here next to me ready to give him.  I have been documenting everything that has been going on with dates and times.  I am on this forum for myself as well as him for help.  What more can I do?  My fear is he is going to wait long enough to where he finds himself in court by her and she will get full custody, just as what happened the first time.  The only way she survived having full custody of her daughter all of these years is because she found a "built in babysitter" in my son when the little girl turned 4 months old.  Now what will live be like for these poor kids?  
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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2019, 11:46:57 AM »

Hi Danali60,

Your son is likely hurting and processing all of this and the practicalities that you see and that I see may not be at the forefront for him yet.  It may take time for his head and heart to get aligned.  We have several relationship boards that are full of people like your son trying to process these relationships and breakups.

Patience will be the key for you.  Your preparation is great when your son is ready you will be ready, but he has to be ready and unfortunately when that happens is not up to you.  I know as a mom you want to help and I also know as a mom that taking action on behalf of our kids makes us feel better so keep doing what you are doing in terms of research and information.  The hard part will be waiting for him to be ready to receive your information that's where the patience comes in.

I will also speak from experience that finding a lawyer is scary when you've never had one before...how do you find one, what questions should you ask, what is the cost, how does it all work?  A million questions. A couple things regarding this, you could pose the question on the Family Law board about how best to go about retaining a lawyer and what are good questions to ask, and maybe you could research say 3 lawyers in your son's area so you have some names that you can give him to choose from.

Link to the Family Law Board...
https://bpdfamily.com/message_board/index.php?board=10.0

It sounds from your post that your son may have an Employee Assistance Program that offers legal services and that may be helpful or it may not be depending on what the benefit is.  In terms of child support each state usually has a formula they use to get to a basic amount - this amount can change based on various factors but at least you can get a ballpark number.   You might check the website of your local courts and see if they have a copy of a calculation worksheet, that way you can get an idea.

One thing to document is how much time he has with his son daily now that he and his girlfriend are separated.  It can help him with more custody if the status quo is that he already has majority custody.  

Hang in there,
Panda39
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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2019, 12:18:05 PM »

Thank you Panda!

You are right, patience is what is needed and what I need to work on as I am short in this department!  I have always been an "action-oriented" person and am itching to have him protect himself as well as his child.  But you are absolutely right; he has to be ready and I have to learn to wait! 

Thank you once again for your helpful advice!
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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2019, 09:02:38 AM »

Good morning everyone!

Regarding the last post by Panda39, you are so right regarding that patience for me is key right now.  My son and grandson were over to our house last night for my husband's birthday and of course the whole situation of the split-up came up.  He knows I am in possession of this book, "Splitting" and I told it he could take it whenever he felt ready.  He said okay he would and left without it, don't know if he didn't want to read it, not ready to read it, or simply forgot as he is very absent-minded, especially now. 

Unfortunately Panda, I am finding out I am not a very patient person, and I know how important it is that I should be.  He began to argue a bit with me about how "my documentation" will not hold up or mean anything in court and I told him I didn't agree and had resources that have said as much.  By the way, I did post on the BPD law board and am awaiting some replies.

I stewed about this for some time after he left and didn't sleep well at all because of it.  I am angry with him at this point by just taking "a few guys at work" told him this, so I guess that makes it gospel truth and doesn't even seem appreciative of what I have been doing.  I wrote him a message today and told him that perhaps I am being a helicopter mom, or treating him as a child still, when I realize he is an adult and can handle his own matters.  Therefore, the documentation will now stop and I will let him handle things as he sees fit.  I will not mention anything regarding the situation unless he comes to me and wants advice or an opinion. 

Here is my problem:  There is an obstacle in my way of stopping the documentation and that is my precious grandson and his well-being.  My son and grandson was the reason I was reading, on this board, documenting, etc...  I am hurt and angry at my son right now, but I know I will always do whatever I can to be a voice for my grandson, since my son seems to be making some very poor decisions right now.  So, continue documenting?  Probably should for grandson's sake and possible change of mind in the future by son.  But how do you document if he does not share things that are happening with you?  At this point he seems to rely more on co-workers and a friend of his than he does on his own family.  Maybe it's because he knows we have all (my husband, myself and older son) have had a not-so-great relationship with her for 5 years.  Maybe he doesn't think we're being objective.  Maybe I'm just way too aggressive with it all. 

Just venting here and would love to hear any thoughts on this.  Anyone ever in this situation? 

I certainly appreciate each and every one of you.  I have gotten some really helpful insight from my replies and they really mean a lot to me.

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