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« on: October 12, 2019, 02:01:02 PM »

Was with this person for 1.5 years and I feel a bit like worthless at the moment. In the beginning it was a bit slow, long talks,  a bit hesitant even for a kiss the 2nd date so I asked and she decline, I respected that. I would drive 45 min to see her several times a week. The preceding months were like lightning and it all went uphill at 1000 miles an hour, kissing, sex, compliments, everything about me was perfect to her, 2 months in she said she wanted to tell me she loved me, 5 months in she wanted me to marry her, I was on cloud 9, everything was so good, we were so tangled together, but then she started pushing "I am going to be too much for you, I am too crazy, everyone leaves me, she started crying in her car randomly and said she wasn't good enough, I am too good for her." Every time I constantly reassured her I am not going anywhere, she would apologize every time and say, "Good, I am in this for the long haul."

Constantly telling me I will leave her because of her issues

pushing me away then apologizing and thanking me for being understanding

Being happy through text, then meeting in person she is just a husk of a person unmotivated and doesn't want to do any plans we made

rejected physical or ignored physical gestures (Hugs never reciprocated, kisses were half assed 90% of the time, never showed me any affection)

extreme lack of emotional support for me, while I poured hours into asking her to explain herself so I could help or be there for her

manically cleaned apartment then depressingly destroyed it days later, didn't feed the cats for 2 days or more out of depression

constantly degraded herself and out make small digs at me when I didn't understand something or questioned something she would say "You really think you are going to be good at X career with that thought process?"

isolated to the point of being scared to go out and refused to go out half the time we would go to the grocery store excited then get there and she would just want to immediately leave

kept pushing marriage on me even 6 months into the relationship and telling me how she wants to be married in 3 years and kids soon (Her own dad told her she should probably stop asking so much)

she would judge my progress in school as "I am farther than you and I think you are just going to resent me or get lazy because I am farther." (Which I don't get at all, I didn't care I started later than her)

would constantly tell me "you can't deal with me, I am not worth it, you will leave me, you don't understand me, you can't understand me." (I tried my damnedest to be there and hear her out)

when we would talk she would zone out from our conversation and just start talking about what she wanted to talk about or ignore me

lived in a fantasy world of TV shows and Disney concept of relationships (The man is the one in charge and he needs to do most of the work) when we discussed marriage a bit after I said I would like an option with the marriage things she said (This is my wedding I am the woman, if you don't like it then we aren't getting married)

refused to let me move in unless we were engaged or married completely out of the blue when that wasn't our initial plan

would shut me out frequently and not talk

would give up on almost everything, even last week she "gave up" on school and failed 3 quizzes in a row because she didn't care anymore

she talked about suicide multiple time as glorifying the idea of being dead she took frequently more Xanax than she should have and laughed about it, took more sedatives than she should and alcohol together and just said "If I woke up, I wake up oh well,"

constantly degraded everyone around her calling them stupid, idiots, ect,

after her medication dose up and her PTSD flair up we didn't engage in any sexual activity for 3 or 4 months and she wouldn't even let me touch her as she said "I don't want any guy touching me, even you right now," (which hurt)

impulsively buy underwear and things she really didn't need, maxed her credit card and has ruined her score and is paying high interest

she complained about "zero romance" but every time I would ask to do something she would refuse it, no plans, no physical bonding, but then complained about we don't do anything...

would starve herself for days because of didn't want to get fat while I was by her side trying to make her food or dinner and trying to get her to eat and she just refused a lot of the time

Christmas we got a tree and started to set it up (A small one) halfway through she got frustrated, gave up and just laid on the couch for hours not wanting to talk or deal with anything

never really seemed excited for me when I achieved anything at the gym, school or just dealing with my own issues

would CONSTANTLY talk about her trauma and say she is good and fine but then almost immediately fall back into her pattern of self destruction, lack of awareness and spiraled backwards even when she did I was still there tell her she did a good job and trying to motivate her, but then would follow that with, Her personality just seemed to be her PTSD and Bi-Polar.

Would look on pintrest 24/7 and equate quotes and motivational tags to our relationship and see if they added up to them to compare if we were doing ok or not.

How many times I sat there asking for her attention, putting my hand on her hand, her leg or anything and not getting any reciprocation of affection back or even acknowledging my presence. Was it really that hard that you never said you are glad to see me when I walked through the door in the 1.5 years together, to never hug me or kiss me walking into your little apartment world?

one of the most hurtful things that happened was when I asked her to put her homework down so we could enjoy a show together or just BE together for a moment in time, she said, "I can multitask" I asked her if we could just be present with each other for a bit and she just declined to give up her preoccupation. That dug into my soul really hard, it felt like my emotions were just totally insignificant and my presence was second best to her.

After all this, I still cared and tried to support her through everything and it still hurts...

We had good moments of conversation we had and sometimes we cuddled at night and talked, we enjoyed the gym she more or less enjoyed running more though. We were eating properly together through myfitnesspal for a bit and we talked about school a lot since we are the same major and at times she did have some awareness of herself and it made me feel so happy she was doing good and was noticing her cycles.

But then, she at times didn't tell her therapist all of her issues, didn't take her medication all the time, sometimes refused. I had to put my foot down at one point and tell her, "either you go to your therapist and get back on medication or I am leaving," and she did, but then she slowly started falling off again.

She said we mainly broke up because I didn't know how to deal with her PTSD/bi-polar/borderline and that she just put up her walls and stopped trusting me after awhile because I made a mistake once or twice or didn't see things from her perspective. As I set there asking and trying to get her to let me understand about her illness so I could help she just said, "Why do you care now, why didn't you do this before." I told her because I actually have a perspective onto what went wrong and what I can do now, she just said, "Yeah, too little too late, I feel nothing for you anyway, it is completely gone and never coming back it is like a switch."

Mind you during all of this conversation she is smiling ear to ear texting a guy from tinder...

Some key quotes as well:

- She flat out said this to me when I was saying I want to work on what I did wrong in the relationship, "What if you mess up in 30 - 40 - 50 years?"

- "You can't emotionally support me."

- "I gave up trying and communicating long ago."

- "I wanted to be with other people when we were together."

- "I want to be with someone who doesn't know my mental health history and never tell them."

- "I built up my walls against you, I never want to try again and let them down for you ever again."

- "I thought school (Psychology Major) would teach you how to deal with me."

- "Why do you want to change now, you should have done that 8 months ago."

- "You think I am heartless, I went through the breakup months ago, that really hurt too."

- "I am not far into treatment, I am insane, no one should be with me." As she is somewhat seeing a new guy now.

- "I know I live in a fantasy world."

- "I forced myself to live without you and I don't want to try again."

She then went on to say that she shouldn't date anyway because she is too much, she isn't even in a good place in her illness journey to be with anyone and that she is too PLEASE READed up and is too much work. Then she just giggles and said her medication is doing great that she found an extra bottle of xanax and sedatives she has been taking in excess and feels great. (I messaged her mom last night and told her about that)

This all feels like a PLEASE READing vivid nightmare, someone so sweet and loving turned into a completely distant and hurtful person, this isn't even her anymore.

I always listened to her and never degraded or held her illness against her and worked with her always.

I made a few mistakes, when she went to the hospital I didn't go see her (I still feel terrible about that) and we didn't really celebrate Christmas or our anniversary together. I got a bit distant with her in her depressive episodes and I will admit I did not have the skills to deal with her emotional swings which she faulted me for not knowing how to help her. I did start coming around a bit less, because her moods would bring me down.
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Were these things that bad that we couldn't repair the relationship?

I am just so hurt and a bit guilt ridden that I ruined everything here because of some of the mistakes I made. She also wanted to get married in a year and I asked if she could wait like 2 years and she decline (maybe I should have just done it sooner then?) I just don't get it, I stayed when she went off meds, got hypo, drank, neglected herself, animals, me for the whims of her selfishness or the lows of her depression and me being there for her and helping her with everything I possibly could being there to reassure her I wasn't ever leaving her through bad or good, always trying to be emotionally supportive, physically supportive, when she wanted to complain about her job or X thing I always listened, when she degraded herself I was always building her back up, making dinner for her when she didn't want to, always driving her places, helped with rent, groceries, cat food, complimented her physical appearance when she felt disgusting, reminded her to take her meds, helped her with homework and her computer issues, grounded her when her PTSD popped up when she was sleeping and having a bad dream I would wake her up and hold her, kissed her forehead when she would get migraines or to be extra affectionate, always was respectful of her sexual boundaries and requests, I even pointed out her possible Bi-Polar as a possibility instead of Borderline, stood by you when you pushed and pushed being the anchor for you as you would apologize and say "I am in this for the long haul."

I thought this was going to be my last relationship, she said it multiple times that it was for us, even during the breakup she said, "You have been the best boyfriend I have ever had in every aspect of a relationship ever." Then she walks out without a fight or trying to fix anything...
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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2019, 02:42:53 PM »

Hi and welcome,

You are not alone here. Others have been though the same or very similar situations. Read as many of the other members stories as you can. It helps, trust me on this one.

The first thing to grasp is: you are not at fault. There are things we all could have done better but there were things that we couldn’t change no matter how hard we tried.

I recommend these books:

Stop Walking On Eggshells
I Hate You, Don’t Leave Me
Stop Care Taking the Borderline or Narcissist

All of these books plus the the stories here will give you a much clearer understating of what you were/are dealing with.




How long has it been since you communicated with her?
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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2019, 03:51:42 PM »

It has been about another month now since we have talked. Still in just disbelief at everything.

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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2019, 05:52:59 AM »

Hello Havok,

I'm sorry you have been trough all of this. I know how painful it is.

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Were these things that bad that we couldn't repair the relationship?

I can relate how guilty you must feel. Guilt was what made me cling to my r/s with my exBPDgf. r/s was definitely over 1 month ago and i'm still drowned in guilt, even that she made so terrible things to me. I shouted at her once, i shouldn't. I did this, i did that. What if proposed to her earlier? What if i... ? So hard to forgive ourselves...

No Havok, i don't think it's your fault. I think she is broken inside, and that if she was otherwise, she would try to repair the r/s, because what you did was not serious. I also think, that, if it wouldn't be for that, she would arrange another excuse. The bottom line is that she can't be in a r/s, because she is terrified with intimacy. And if you would be perfect ( does that exists? ), it would be even harder to her to accept and she would leave anyway, and with another excuse.
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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2019, 04:30:49 PM »

Still in just disbelief at everything.

youve been through a great deal, and it sounds like there were significant obstacles and complexities in your relationship.

one of the most important things in this process will be building a strong support group. in my own experience, there is no better place.

how are you holding up? are you wanting to rekindle the relationship?
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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2019, 10:31:11 AM »

how are you holding up? are you wanting to rekindle the relationship?


I very much want to rekindle the relationship, but I honestly have no idea how at this point.
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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2019, 07:04:49 PM »

I very much want to rekindle the relationship, but I honestly have no idea how at this point.

before you do anything, its very important to understand where things went wrong, how, and whether they can be resolved.

it will be a tall order, and you may be underestimating that.

lets start here:

tell us more about the breakup. what was going on before it. what happened during it. how long ago was it?

how long ago did you last speak, and what happened when you did?

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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2019, 10:28:00 PM »

before you do anything, its very important to understand where things went wrong, how, and whether they can be resolved.

it will be a tall order, and you may be underestimating that.

lets start here:

tell us more about the breakup. what was going on before it. what happened during it. how long ago was it?

how long ago did you last speak, and what happened when you did?



Before, just, distance started happening, started to be unreliable, failed to emotionally understand certain things or how to engage, she kept trying to force marriage.

During: I tried to remain as calm and caring as possible, agreed to her reasons why she wanted out. Breakup was about 5 months ago.

long ago, about a month. Last saw her about 2 months ago, we had a good conversation and a hug at the end with her saying if I wanted to be friends that is on me to decide.

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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2019, 06:59:07 PM »

Me and Ex broke up 5 months ago.

I made some mistakes, I didn't go to the hospital with her when she had pneumonia, I started getting distant when her depression flared up and I didn't really do anything for Christmas/anniversary.

She also cited that I wasn't emotionally supportive enough for her.

Besides that, I did everything I could do always. She even told me I have been the best boyfriend she has ever had.

In the end I profusely apologized, I told her I made bad short sighted decisions and or just forgot and I didn't mean to hurt her. I meant to engage in these things, but I just didn't for some reason. I tried to work things out with her, but she wasn't having it.

I wanted to correct all of this and or make it right by showing that I have changed, yet again, met with just more guilt and blame by her, really cutting me deep.

I guess, was this worthy of breaking up over if I was being 100% sincere in wanting to fix everything, mind you, she was no saint either obviously, but I looked passed so much, but when I messed up and was being very serious about correcting things, I get thrown away.
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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2019, 01:06:04 PM »

I made some mistakes,

these things, and many others, contributed to the breakup of your relationship.

no single, particular incident was the cause. when relationships break down, its rarely over a particular event, but a sequence of events, a breakdown over time.

and it isnt one parties "fault", yours or hers.

shes a very difficult person, probably more than a lot of the bpd loved ones on this board. and you struggled to cope, as we all do.

she had a high need for relationship security, and gestures like marriage. a lot of women do, but with bpd its even more extreme. so for example, your hesitancy may have suggested to her that you werent in it for the long haul. i dont know that that at all means you made the wrong choice. its just important to understand where the two of you differed, where things broke down, the different pages you were both on, whether you want to reconcile, or should you decide to move on.

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I wanted to correct all of this and or make it right by showing that I have changed, yet again, met with just more guilt and blame by her, really cutting me deep.

women, generally speaking, tend to fall out of love in stages. and a lot of us men miss those subtleties (i felt that my breakup was out of nowhere, but in retrospect, it was happening for a year).

so it can feel like being blindsided. it sounds like you distanced at times, to cope and get some space from the relationship. i did the same thing. meanwhile, she was beginning to grieve the relationship and detach, out of self protection. if you were hit with guilt and blame, it was likely left over resentment.

you should know that a breakup that has lasted five months is very difficult to reconcile. its possible, but its rare. even more difficult if the two of you havent spoken for two months.

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Last saw her about 2 months ago, we had a good conversation and a hug at the end with her saying if I wanted to be friends that is on me to decide.

it sounds like you are (more or less) on good terms and the door is open.

why havent you reached out since? how might you want to approach it if you were to reach out?
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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2019, 09:38:04 PM »

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it sounds like you are (more or less) on good terms and the door is open.

why havent you reached out since? how might you want to approach it if you were to reach out?

I want to, I just have no idea what to say or how to go about it that will possibly have things work out?
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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2019, 03:20:48 PM »

i would keep it pretty light and upbeat, if you want to reach out.

just a "how ya doin" sort of thing. do some catching up...no talk about the relationship. maybe mention some funny bit of news or something you saw recently that pertains to a common interest.

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how to go about it that will possibly have things work out?

you cant achieve that in one conversation. you cant achieve much at all in one conversation except opening the door and establishing some connection to build on.

this is playing the long game, if its what you want to do.
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« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2019, 08:46:45 AM »

Yeah, I probably should do a small feeler. I wrote this 5 page letter to send in an illustrated form of painting since she enjoyed that describing how wonderful she is and some of the issues I see now and what I am doing to fix my part. Going to assume something like that isn’t going to help at all, ha?
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« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2019, 12:48:54 PM »

it would probably be heavy and she likely wouldnt be sure what to do with it.
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