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« on: April 24, 2020, 07:24:45 PM »

Warning: long and boring read ahead, but I need to get it off my chest.

Ok so I posted here a while back. I've known this BPD girl online for a little over a year now. We had an intense relationship for about 8 months during which we met twice. As I learned from here it was your typical BPD relationship, with love bombing and idolization etc. It felt like a fairytale until she broke it off. Her reason was that she needed to work on herself because she thought she was abusive to me. I didn't take the breakup well and she ended up blocking me.

A month later she messages me out of the blue, sounding very sheepish. She wants to know if I'd be ok talking again. She sounds completely different to the girl that dumped me, and I was still thinking about her a lot so I went along with it. For the next month we'd spent every day playing WoW together. She would always message me and invite me to everything. She would not leave me alone. There was never talk of officially getting back together but occasionally she would refer to us as a couple, call me by a pet name, or do things like sharing a picture of us together with a friend and pointing out "how handsome" I am.

Clearly this was a bit of a mindPLEASE READ for me. I had no idea where I stood and thought that if I ever brought up the question of "are we together", it would scare her off. She did explicitly tell me that she was not looking to date now or anytime in the near future since she still needed to work on herself, and yet she was still treating me like I was her pseudo partner.

I decided to not ask any questions and keep my expectations to a minimum, just seeing where it went. I was enjoying her company after all and with the gym closed and work on hold, I was simply bored as f**k. After a month of consistantly pleasant conversation and a lot of gaming, things started to escalate. Again, I let her make the first moves and she steered talk towards a more intimate nature. Before I knew it we were back on snapchat and she was sending me the good stuff.

At this point I admit I begin to let my guard down and think that maybe this is going to blossom into a new relationship, and this time armed with more knowledge we can actually make things work. However this is when a 3rd party enters.

In WoW I've always been her source of knowledge. She will always ask me questions and come to me for help, making me feel like her MVP. Then we start playing regularly with this other guy, and slowly I notice she is asking him all the questions she used to ask me. He's married, and I know she's not looking, but I'm a fragile soul and it hurt to not be her go-to.

I know I have a tendancy to get jealous so I try to bury this feeling as much as possible. A week passes and she's asking him how to do something I already explained in detail. I can't take it anymore and I tell her how I feel. I said it hurts not to be your first pick anymore and I hate that this guy is always here. She gets angry with me and tells me it's unfair to throw all these things at her from days ago, especially since "we are not together".

She goes on to tell me that we must be spending too much time together and blames the whole thing on being intimate again. She says it was clearly a mistake and immediately deletes her snapchat. She also says we'll just do chill things in WoW for a bit to keep it all low stress. Seems harsh but not the end of the world so I'm cool with it.

The next day things don't go as expected. I find that I'm no longer invited, even to the "chill" stuff she said we would do. I try to hold my tongue but eventually I ask her if she minds if I joined, hoping that she would toss me an invite. Her response is "you're welcome to queue". Ok, this seems a little cold but I guess I'll queue. After some pause I get accepted, and she's in the group with the aforementioned guy and another friend. I guess they're all in voice chat together, but I don't ask to join. I get that she might be worried about akwardness after the previous days conversation. Whatever, it was my screw up so I'm prepared to do my time in the doghouse. What gets to me though is that throughout the whole run, she doesn't even acknowledge me. No "hi", no "thanks for coming", no "gg". It feels so cold, especially since I was helping. I'm not a needy person but it felt like she was going out of her way to ignore me.

After that I leave since no invitation to stay was forthcoming. I know I'm going to come off a bit crazy, but this whole day really left a vile taste in my mouth. I feel like I'm on the outside again, like I was when she ended it the first time. Her tone, her choice of words, her everything is markedly different. Cold, impersonal, uncaring. Any attempt I make to find out what's going on or what she wants is met by "stop overreacting", or "why are you so dramatic". She makes me feel like everything I do or say is unreasonable.

I say f**k it. If I really don't matter to you then I'm going to delete you. Yes I know this is very immature and borderline crazy, but after her gaslighting my mind is a mess. I just want to be in control of how I feel, and the only way I can do it is by deleting her. But who am I kidding? I'm addicted to this girl. I can't delete her. So I add her back.

Too late. She noticed and she's furious. I have witnessed borderline rage a few times but never like this. I am the devil.  She says she clearly means nothing to me and I should f-off out of her life. I don't understand - she wouldn't give me the time of day and then suddenly it's HER than means nothing to ME? She calms down a bit and says we're not good for eachother and that all this "drama" is bad for anxiety, so goodbye. I told her angrily that she clearly didn't care about me so she should just leave. That's how we left it.

So yeah. Basically BPD ex comes back for a recycle. Things are going slow but steady, even thought I didn't know exactly where I stood, but then we have this brief falling out and I'm painted black and shunned. Since she came back a month and a half ago we had no arguments up until this point. I learned not to JADE from the first time around and things were buttery smooth.

It sucks that I am so addicted to this girl. Just typing this out I can see she is slowly destroying my mind. Not saying I'm completely faultless, but any mistake I make is paid for tenfold. The thing is is that when things are good we feel like soulmates, which is most of the time. It's intoxicating. Then this stuff happens and in an instant I'm a nobody to her. I really do care about her and want to stay a part of her life, even if somedays I feel like I'm going crazy.

Not sure what my play should be if my goal is to reconcile. I really hate how we left it but she told me not to talk to her again. In the past I've always regretted reaching out. I tried to a couple of times after the first breakup and it only resulted in her blocking me. When she did come back to me she didn't mention the ordeals of the breakup at all... it was like it never happened. Is my only choice to wait it out so this happens, or doesn't happen again?


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« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2020, 05:22:16 AM »

I re read my post and I cringe at how badly I handled it. I feel so much regret at how I acted over the final 3 days. Things were going so well and I was jealous, needy, and then outright hurtful. I am terrible at knowing when to back off. The problem is my mind get in so much pain from going from being immersed in her 24/7 to being relegated to the periphery, that I just can't separate myself. Instead I try to repair things and it ends up in pushing her away harder.

This happened to the same degree the first time she broke up with me. At first it was "we need to take a break". I tried to talk her out of it and this led to the breakup being final, which in turn led to me being blocked. I blamed myself heavily for this then too and would spend days ruminating about what I should have said or what I would say if I ever got the chance. Luckily for me I was blocked so I didn't get the chance to make things worse. I noticed after a few weeks that she had unblocked me but didn't say anything. Then I noticed some small signs that she was paying attention to me again, like I changed my display picture and then shortly after she changed hers too, and then she started talking more in our guild chat when I was online. I told my friend that I was sure she was going to reach out and the very next day she did and gave me a fresh start.

I learnt so much from the first go around about how to deal with her anger and arguments. When she's just annoyed or angry with me I have the tools to deal with it. I can be calm, validating, and give her space when she needs it. It's just when I get the unmistakable feeling that I don't matter to her.. that's when I fall apart. I suppose at that point she was already in the process of devaluing me, but it still feels like it was all my fault.

I hate how we left things. I want to tell her how sorry I am for acting emotionally and causing her anxiety. I want to tell her that I'm here to talk as much or as little as she wants to when she's ready. But I don't want to say anything that's going to make her hate me more and push me away further. I also thought about trying to say something lighter and put the past behind us, but I don't want to be invalidating.

Just wish I knew what she wanted from me right now!
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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2020, 09:09:58 AM »

Bro I am in a very similar situation except we play a different MMO, I made this account just to respond to your thread Laugh out loud (click to insert in post). I know what you're going through man I can't seem to get these obsessive thoughts out of my head.

We shared and did everything together for almost 2 years but for last few months her behaviour just changed towards me I just sensed something was off(this was before I knew about BPD). This was also when a third party came into the picture, she started acting passive aggressive with me all the time and being overly "lovebombing" towards this new guy almost like she wanted me to get angry and lash out. We eventually had a argument when she went behind my back and revoked my guild admin privledges in retaliation to me joining a mutual friend's newly formed guild(you can be in multiple guilds) but I know it was more than that, she had pent up anger over time from other things like being jealous I was hanging out with mutual friends. I finally snapped and called out her bullPLEASE READ behaviour saying I did everything for her, how cold and controlling shes been acting lately and ended up unadding her in rage. The next day ofcourse I cooleddown and realized I took it a bit too far, we talked it out but it just didnt feel the same anymore I knew the damaged had been done since she was very sensitive person who only trusted me. Sure enough she sent me an angry message about thoss things I said and deleted the guild and blocked me 2 weeks later.

I tried to contact her through other means to apologize and work things out but it would only last for a short while and she would go cold again before blocking me. Havent talked to her in 3 months now been going NC and just avoiding her. In that time ive learnt a out BPD and other personalities and now it finally all makes since.

Like you, I also noticed whenever I started talking with mutual friends in a mutual guild chat she would starr talking to them and even mirror the slang / way I talk feels like she wants me to notice her but for what reason I dont know. Shes so stubborn now she hides offline from everyone and keeps to herself I dont think she will ever contact me again and has painted me black permnantly, I dont want to reach out anymore if seems make it worse.

Anyways just wanted you to know there are people out there going through the same PLEASE READ Laugh out loud (click to insert in post) Ill keep following your thread do keep us updated
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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2020, 10:59:05 AM »

We shared and did everything together for almost 2 years but for last few months her behaviour just changed towards me I just sensed something was off(this was before I knew about BPD). This was also when a third party came into the picture, she started acting passive aggressive with me all the time and being overly "lovebombing" towards this new guy almost like she wanted me to get angry and lash out. We eventually had a argument when she went behind my back and revoked my guild admin privledges in retaliation to me joining a mutual friend's newly formed guild(you can be in multiple guilds) but I know it was more than that, she had pent up anger over time from other things like being jealous I was hanging out with mutual friends. I finally snapped and called out her bullPLEASE READ behaviour saying I did everything for her, how cold and controlling shes been acting lately and ended up unadding her in rage. The next day ofcourse I cooleddown and realized I took it a bit too far, we talked it out but it just didnt feel the same anymore I knew the damaged had been done since she was very sensitive person who only trusted me. Sure enough she sent me an angry message about thoss things I said and deleted the guild and blocked me 2 weeks later.

Yeah went the exact same way.  She lovebombs other guys we play with but she is naturally very flirty and seems desperate to be liked by everyone. She also holds me to impossible standards vs everyone else, so she can call another guy perfect while she is calling me out for some trivial stuff. She tells me this is just how she communicates and not to take it personally, but it feels personal when it's only me. I was being chill and handling this but on the one day I talked about I just felt completely worthless. Like I can't play the game right and I can't help you either. The other guy can do both so I'm going to do everyone a favour and step out. I can't find a healthy outlet for my emotions because I'm trying so hard all the time to be perfect for her. I can't tell her that this one sexual joke some guy made made me uncomfortable or that I wan't to spend less time with so and so because it makes me look insecure. So it just builds up until I snap.

Shes so stubborn now she hides offline from everyone and keeps to herself I dont think she will ever contact me again and has painted me black permnantly, I dont want to reach out anymore if seems make it worse.

Yeah I feel like I'm in a similar situation. The first time we broke up I reached out a few times and she was civil but so cold. This is so much worse than being angry... it feels like you are absolutely nobody. Eventually she just got tired of me trying and blocked me.  Then a few weeks later she reached out and it was like nothing ever happened. I really hope this happens again as each time she comes back I have more and more experience of how to deal with her. She was so angry this time though like actual seething rage that I would try to delete her even though she can contact me by a number of other ways. Feels like I might be painted black for good, which might be the best thing for my long term mental health but I just miss her so much. I want to reach out and tell her I'm sorry because we left things on such an angry note. But I think it has as much chance of hurting as it does helping. I'm still learning how the BPD mind works but my understanding is eventually her memory will rewrite itself and she'll have some feelings for me again. Maybe they'll be strong enough to make her contact me, maybe they won't.

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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2020, 04:57:50 AM »

Ok I guess there are a lot of lessons I can learn from this.

I realized she made me codependent again. It's a trap that is very hard to avoid with her. When she is in a pull phase she will consume every hour of my day. She will always be talking to me, doing things with me, and when she's not around she'll leave me tasks to do in her absence. It feels like I'm her dog, and when I do something right she'll consider doling out a treat. The treat may be calling us a couple, sending me some snaps, simple flattery, etc.

I know I have a tendency to get enmeshed but she makes it feel like it's the solution to everything. And then when we finally get to that point where she knows she has complete control of me, the devalue begins. I would say this started to occur about a week before we broke up.

Now, the solution to this is to get space from her, work on myself, and then make her see my value again. Yet, I did the completely opposite. I got jealous and needy, and that was super unattractive to her. It repulsed her to the point where she deleted my snapchat and wouldn't give me the time of day. And then when that happened I made things even worse by temporarily deleting her.

I realize now that while it's easy to blame her for leading me on, the demise of the relationship was ultimately my doing. I'm trying not to beat myself up, because this is not how healthy relationships should work. You're supposed to have a consistant flow of affection that you can depend on. When your BPD love bombs you and then starves you emotionally, it's just so hard not to sulk and ask "why don't you love me anymore"?

So now my conundrum. Do I reach out or wait for her? I feel like I was partly to blame and partly as asshole, so an apology is somewhat warranted. But also I feel like it could only make me come across as weak and desperate. If I want her back then I need to forget her and project strength and independance, and the only way I can really do that is by not contacting her. Maybe her mind will change again and she'll think that I was the best thing to happen to her and she will come back, and maybe she won't. If she does then I'll be armed with this new knowledge and hopefully make a better go of it next time.

This is all just my take ofc. I'm still trying to figure this stuff out. Other views are very welcome

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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2020, 07:18:36 AM »

Could a mod please delete this thread? I bloated it and there's no way I will get any constructive help now.
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