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VIDEO: "What is parental alienation?" Parental alienation is when a parent allows a child to participate or hear them degrade the other parent. This is not uncommon in divorces and the children often adjust. In severe cases, however, it can be devastating to the child. This video provides a helpful overview.
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« on: August 23, 2023, 10:10:58 AM »

Hope everyone is doing well.  I haven't posted in quite some time.  I have basically resorted to just existing everyday.  Several weeks ago my wife was going through my phone again and saw that I had been researching the effects of a BPD mother on a child, and needless to say she wasn't too appreciative of it.  However, yesterday she started sending me videos that try to help explain what it's like for someone to have BPD.  She later said that she didn't know if I just thought of it a few months back or if the therapist had mentioned it to me and got me started looking into it.  She has no idea I've been doing this for 3 years.  Anyway, she proceeded to tell me last night that I was right and she has BPD.  She said that's why she reacts like she does to things.  The not so surprising part was that she still blamed everything on me.  It all still seemed to be my fault.  Kind of like she was saying now that we agree she has BPD I should be changing everything about me to cater to her BPD.  I'm paraphrasing.  She was basically saying it wasn't her fault she reacts like she does so it's up to me to fix it.  At least that's the way I took it. 

There is also the possibility, for me anyway, that this is just another part of the cycle.  In a day or two she could turn around and say she doesn't actually agree.  She was just saying it to see how I would react.  Either way, I'm curious if anyone has any thoughts on whether or not we can, as well as how to, make any progress since she is supposedly saying we are in agreement on her BPD. Hope everyone is doing well
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« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2023, 10:53:08 AM »

Its good that she is wanting to work on it. Thats amazing really.

one of the things about BPD is the inability to want to grow or get better. Is she in individual therapy?
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« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2023, 12:08:03 PM »

Its good that she is wanting to work on it. Thats amazing really.

one of the things about BPD is the inability to want to grow or get better. Is she in individual therapy?


She did a couple of individual sessions a few months ago when we tried to start some marriage therapy. They weren't for BPD though because this has only started yesterday.  As a matter of fact she told me the counselor even said specifically not to let anyone try to convince her that she has a personality disorder because she definitely didn't.  This was after one meeting with her I believe.  I'm not sure how much "working on it" she is wanting to do.  The one thing she focused on the most was that it isn't curable.  So basically she seemed to come from the perspective that she has it and there is nothing to be done about it so I'm just gonna have to figure it out because I'm still in the wrong
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« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2023, 05:19:02 PM »

She did a couple of individual sessions a few months ago when we tried to start some marriage therapy...  As a matter of fact she told me the counselor even said specifically not to let anyone try to convince her that she has a personality disorder because she definitely didn't.  This was after one meeting with her I believe.

So the information source was the patient, not the counselor? Since your spouse is an interested party (the patient) do you have enough trust that the counselor would concur?  Or was this her version.  After all, she agreed she has BPD but her counselor, the trained professional, says not?

Be aware that in the past  - and probably still today - many professionals are wary of diagnosing patients with BPD since a common reaction is Denial and stopping sessions.  Oh, she stopped after a couple sessions?

The one thing she focused on the most was that it isn't curable.  So basically she seemed to come from the perspective that she has it and there is nothing to be done about it so I'm just gonna have to figure it out because I'm still in the wrong.

But meaningful therapy can improve perceptions and behaviors.  It's all up to the patient.

One of the most respected authorities on BPD therapies such as Dialectical or Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (DBT or CBT) was Marsha M. Linehan who late in life revealed that earlier in her life she had BPD but through grit and determination she had managed to find ways to recover.

In past decades it was not uncommon for people with BPD (pwBPD) to be diagnosed with Bi-polar because it was billable to insurance and usually treated with drugs as a chemical imbalance.  On the other hand, BPD was viewed as largely untreatable until Marsha Linehan, herself having suffered with BPD, developed therapies such as Dialectical & Cognitive Behavioral Therapies (DBT and CBT).  Alas, as you've already discovered, applying meaningful therapy in one's life is very hard for a pwBPD.

https://psychcentral.com/blog/marsha-linehan-what-is-dialectical-behavioral-therapy-dbt#1
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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2023, 06:25:59 PM »

she told me the counselor even said specifically not to let anyone try to convince her that she has a personality disorder because she definitely didn't.

That made me laugh.

Can you imagine a counselor saying that after a few sessions? You DEFINITELY do not have a personality disorder. Don't let ANYONE convince you otherwise because you DON'T. FACT.

One of the things they teach in NEA-BPD Family Connections is that you can't change the other person. You can, however, change how you behave and that can influence changes.

What if you said to your wife, "We're in a relationship, let's do this together. How about I learn DBT skills the same time you're learning?"



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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2023, 01:08:25 PM »

So the information source was the patient, not the counselor? Since your spouse is an interested party (the patient) do you have enough trust that the counselor would concur?  Or was this her version.  After all, she agreed she has BPD but her counselor, the trained professional, says not?

Be aware that in the past  - and probably still today - many professionals are wary of diagnosing patients with BPD since a common reaction is Denial and stopping sessions.  Oh, she stopped after a couple sessions?

But meaningful therapy can improve perceptions and behaviors.  It's all up to the patient.

One of the most respected authorities on BPD therapies such as Dialectical or Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (DBT or CBT) was Marsha M. Linehan who late in life revealed that earlier in her life she had BPD but through grit and determination she had managed to find ways to recover.

https://psychcentral.com/blog/marsha-linehan-what-is-dialectical-behavioral-therapy-dbt#1


The therapy part is interesting in itself.  After about 2-3 weeks we were trying to set up another session and the counselor told us she was no longer working with the clinic and couldn't make any other appointments.  We were some of the first she saw right after she began working there.  It was fishy Laugh out loud (click to insert in post) That was all her side of things to me.  The counselor was just that, a counselor.  Not a psychologist or anyone who was even capable of making that diagnosis.  I had one individual session with her and revealed my concern that BPD was part of the problem.  She told me she was just reading about personality disorders and would have to look into it some more.  My wife says the counselor told her this in the first session, but I'm curious if the counselor may have told her this after I expressed my concerns privately.  I don't know
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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2023, 01:16:04 PM »

That made me laugh.

Can you imagine a counselor saying that after a few sessions? You DEFINITELY do not have a personality disorder. Don't let ANYONE convince you otherwise because you DON'T. FACT.

One of the things they teach in NEA-BPD Family Connections is that you can't change the other person. You can, however, change how you behave and that can influence changes.

What if you said to your wife, "We're in a relationship, let's do this together. How about I learn DBT skills the same time you're learning?"





I found it comical as well.  My wife claims this was said in her first individual session after we had been through one joint session.  The counselor had spent one hour with each of us as a couple prior to this.  I had one individual session after her first two individual ones.  In this session I expressed my concern that BPD might be part of the problem.  She had one more session after that.  I'm curious if it was during that session that the counselor told her this because of having heard my thoughts, but I don't know.  My wife was adamant that the counselor was saying she was the most emotionally mature person she had met.  Even said the counselor claimed that working with her for a few sessions helped her to fix some of her own problems she was having at home.  Apparently my wife had become the counselor to the counselor.


Maybe I can try as you suggest.  Can't be any worse than anything I have done before Laugh out loud (click to insert in post)
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