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« on: February 09, 2013, 12:20:04 AM »

I am/was in a relationship with a 46 yo woman who i don't know to be borderline but she does exhibit some of the qualities.  It is confusing because she is very ADD and from what i have read many borderlines have ADD or ADHD.  In her case, she does not yell at me, she does not rage but she does have hyperfocused emotions, is very black and white about things  and i find myself "coaching" her most of the time out of her emotional states. 

I have tried a separation before and then got back together.  She was much better for a couple of months.  However, it seems that as soon as i let my guard down and allow myself to get emotionally close then she starts "testing" me again.   For example,  she complained that i don't want her in my life because i didn't always invite her over when i had my kids (from previous divorce).  Then a few weeks ago i invited her to a function that i was interested in going to with my friends and she took a pass and said she wanted to work out.  Then the next day she said, "i should've probably gone with you" 

I see this behavior alot; it's part oppositional and just plain crazy making. 

So what sent me over the line this past week was that i met several health professionals at  a seminar I went to that weekend.   A few gave me cards with their contacts and one asked me to friend her on linkedin.   I am a very loyal man and have never cheated or do not think about that kind of thing.  I do have many female professional friends who are coaches, and fellow practitioners.  About a week after connecting with several of these people I found out  that my gf picked the one who was most attractive and friended her too.  I have seen her do "stalking" type behaviors before out of her insecurity.  For example, during our breakup she went to my son's college facebook page and posted comments to my son.  It felt weird because it was during the breakup. Lastly,  she said to me recently " i wish you would adore me like you adored hit_"  - a relationship that i had in my past and had told her about.  BTW, i never told her that i "adored" her.  That is just common logic- why would any man tell a woman he is going out with that he adored someone else.  What i did say when she asked me if i had loved her back then? i answered yes.  So there is definitely the distortion thing going on from what i can see.

So with all this complaining about her behavior why am I on here you might ask?

Here it is in a nutshell: I just need to check in and see if anyone here thinks I'm over-reacting by cutting her off.  I was wounded by a udBPDexw and I still have to put up with all the fall out with my kids.

She is draining to me at times and at other times she can be really good to me but i feel afraid to leave her she was the best sexual partner i ever had and she is a good person underneath all the emotional stuff she goes through.  She loves me and cares about me and again doesn't rage at me. She does take responsibility for herself most of the time but i have to pull away to get her to take me serious.  When we break-up she seems to be the most mature and loving and it's then that i want to go back to. She said in a text today, "i miss you very much and tried to soften your heart and heal your past. I hope i did something good for you. Love always... .  "     She asked for forgiveness and pleaded for me to come back but that causes me to feel like she is framing me to be the "ogar".  I feel like this is projection- what do you think?

In conclusion i'm worried that:

1. if i go back i will feel weak and lose respect for myself

2. Am i making a big mistake and treating her like a borderline when she is just severely ADD ( i don't know if ADD women call you ten times after you tell them you need to get off the phone and they just won't say goodbye- this happened many times and i would hang up and then not answer afterwards because i was trying to set boundaries.) 

Okay that was alot to get off my chest but i'm interested in seeing the responses.
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« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2013, 02:11:54 AM »

However, it seems that as soon as i let my guard down and allow myself to get emotionally close then she starts "testing" me again.   For example,  she complained that i don't want her in my life because i didn't always invite her over when i had my kids (from previous divorce).  Then a few weeks ago i invited her to a function that i was interested in going to with my friends and she took a pass and said she wanted to work out.  Then the next day she said, "i should've probably gone with you" 

Walking on eggshells is a tough way to live TBK and I understand that feeling all too well.

Often a disordered person will catastrophize and this can be hard to keep up with and its also very unpredictable.

Can I make a suggestion? It sounds to me like your relationship is somewhat enmeshed. If we walk on eggshells for long enough we begin to forget our own boundaries and needs at the expense of pleasing our loved ones. Stepping back from the situation and becoming a little more independent – gradually – from her will do you and her a great service.

Your partner needs to learn to cope with disappointment on her own – you cannot make it all OK for her. If she makes a decision, its her choice to own it or not – there is no need for us to take on guilt.

In the example above re: you visiting your children – how could you validate her feelings while still going ahead with your plans to visit your kiddos?

This may help you: Communication using validation. What it is; how to do it

I see this behavior alot; it's part oppositional and just plain crazy making. 

Don’t engage in the crazy making.

So what sent me over the line this past week was that i met several health professionals at  a seminar I went to that weekend.   A few gave me cards with their contacts and one asked me to friend her on linkedin.   I am a very loyal man and have never cheated or do not think about that kind of thing.  I do have many female professional friends who are coaches, and fellow practitioners.  About a week after connecting with several of these people I found out  that my gf picked the one who was most attractive and friended her too.  I have seen her do "stalking" type behaviors before out of her insecurity.  For example, during our breakup she went to my son's college facebook page and posted comments to my son.  It felt weird because it was during the breakup. Lastly,  she said to me recently " i wish you would adore me like you adored hit_"  - a relationship that i had in my past and had told her about.  BTW, i never told her that i "adored" her.  That is just common logic- why would any man tell a woman he is going out with that he adored someone else.  What i did say when she asked me if i had loved her back then? i answered yes.  So there is definitely the distortion thing going on from what i can see.

Boundaries! She is busting them. Also using validation.

So with all this complaining about her behavior why am I on here you might ask?

Here it is in a nutshell: I just need to check in and see if anyone here thinks I'm over-reacting by cutting her off.  I was wounded by a udBPDexw and I still have to put up with all the fall out with my kids.

I cannot tell you whether you should leave TBK.

What I find interesting, and this happens a lot (to me included) – is that we normalize behaviors and believe if we just do xyz then all will be fine with our partners. Its likely you are not imagining your struggles with your relationship and yet we can underestimate ourselves and what we experience.

Do yourself a favor – go for a walk in nature or at a place that you feel at peace in – pause, listen to your belly, your mind chatter and see where it takes you. Its common for folks like us, who are attracted to Borderlines or those with Borderline traits to completely negate our feelings and self blame – there is a reason for that – and part of your healing is to delve a little deeper and figure out why.

When you work on you, you will also help your relationship – one of you needs to break the conflict cycle. Over to the left of the screen is the Choosing A Path article – much of that is right on the money.

She is draining to me at times and at other times she can be really good to me but i feel afraid to leave her she was the best sexual partner i ever had and she is a good person underneath all the emotional stuff she goes through. 

Can you help me understand this TBK?

This is an interesting statement.

2. Am i making a big mistake and treating her like a borderline when she is just severely ADD ( i don't know if ADD women call you ten times after you tell them you need to get off the phone and they just won't say goodbye- this happened many times and i would hang up and then not answer afterwards because i was trying to set boundaries.) 

Look at the actions/behaviors not the label.

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« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2013, 08:41:42 PM »

thanks for your thoughts.  I made a tough decision today to tell her i couldn't go on.

I am really sad about it not working out but part of me feels relieved.

as far as my interesting comment.  I was in a 20 year relationship with a woman where the sex was not very good so i'm  just saying that it was that part of the relationship that worked really well and she was very mature in bed but then as soon as we were out of bed it was like she was a different person.  Her personality in bed with me was very different, very secure and very caring actually. 

It's just too bad that it couldn't last outside of the bedroom.  Oh well back to working on myself again.  There's a lot i need to do with my career etc.

thanks for your thoughts!
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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2013, 09:12:48 PM »

If she begs you to come back, you can always push for counseling. So you could leave the door slightly open and address all the behaviors if she really wants yo back.
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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2013, 11:21:28 PM »

momtara,

she definitely wants me back and i have given her several chances to changer her behavior before.  It's just that it will start out better and then the longer we're back together the more insecure and demanding she becomes.  I just don't have the financial and emotional resources to deal with this.  Basically, i have always had to put up very strong boundaries and almost pull away in order for her to see her part or get help.  This is tough on me emotionally.  I really don't want to live like this even though it sucks because the good parts were really good!
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