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« on: August 20, 2013, 08:55:42 AM »

hi all, I have recently posted here that things are going well after a long winter... . my suspected BPDh gave me the silence treatment for over 5 months since January after the birth of our second child, the reason he said then was because'i dont listen'.

But he decided to make contact again and in the last past 7 weeks things are going well, some problems here and there, regarding food or my friends, but overall the tools are working specially the 'inactive listener' skills i gained somewhere I read here.

The more he talks and feels I am listening, the less problems we have. He doesnt meet my emotionals needs but i am contented in this relationship at the moment.

At the moment he is in a youth camp with the young people of his church where he works, and if you have read my story, one of the things i have worked on and am achieving, is to get him to change him type of work. He works as a minister in a church, although he is very good at it, nobody knows waht we really live and he suffers to much with so much interpersonal problems there. Anyway, last year he started studying for his second masters and is getting well with it, only high marks, so we hope he will be able to change careers and might even move countries a second time (this is not our home country, we have been living here for 8 years now,  and bores me to death to think of living here forever... . ).

But there are few people who have been close to me and really like both of us and one particular friend knows what i go through. Since last year he started to dislike her and her husband. Out of the blue, i only went to a baby shower in her church and took a bit longer to arrive than what i said, since then he never really wants me even to mention her name. I tried to respect it, but as she moved city, I thought that while he was camping with the youth, I could take the train and visit this friend and her new house. I vaguely mentioned it, so check on his reaction, and he said 'dont even think of it' - taking my children to a sleepover at hers while he is away. After that episode he didnt talk to me until the evening and never mentioned his reaction or my friend as if nothing had ever happened.

Any way, do you have any tools for me to explore this jealousy and try to keep some old friends? i used to get angry but i know now how jealous he can be and insecure he can loose me somehow to this friend, but there must be ways out there that i could work on, without setting his feelings... .

About the film Silver linings playbook, we were watching it the other day. In the past i made the mistake of throwing at his face tha he was mentally ill, i even sent him some articles about borderline. For some reason, he completely ignored the fact that i mentioned borderline and refers to what i say he has as a bipolar. so, while we were watching the film and also few days after he kept asking, 'do you really think i am bipolar? do you?'

to which i said no you are not, and apologised ( i always do, still working on it)

He problably knows something is wrong with him, but would never do anything about it. Maybe he wanted me to say not bipolar but borderline, just to create a reason to explode, but i kept quiet.

He is 38 now, so i lost hope he might ever look for treatment. He is too charming to people to believe sth is wrong with him. I am enjoying the good times, as normally it lasts until he goes back to his studies in the end of September, them few weeks on and off until the winter, to which he suffers a lot, but works normally in the outside world.

Thank you for reading. Any thoughts on the friendship issue are welcome! Smiling (click to insert in post)

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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2013, 09:00:31 AM »

just to add to that, he really needed his holidays sorted out, so i booked 2 weeks away for him - we are all going obsviously , as he never does anything on his own, so send your good thoughts that it will be good. i have threatened to never go on holiday again with him, and in the past 2 he has been good. We are going next Tuesday.
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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2013, 09:17:42 AM »

This is a good question. Wish I had asked thsi about 11 years ago. Maybe I would have a set of friends still and a family.  Its maybe easier to try to hol don to them then it is to loose them and fisght to get them back... Wish you best of luck
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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2013, 01:55:49 PM »

My only answer to that is keeping secret friends a secret.

I have three friends that know everything. I have one that can handle anything I throw at them, the ups the downs, the bad and the good. This is the one friend I HAVE to keep a secret, and they keep everything a secret.

My parents and siblings have a level of secrecy, but none that I can completely trust 100%,  and a lack of level of understanding, so I do not share much. Besides, my uBPDH periodically reads EVERYTHNG I write, except for two email accounts he knows nothing about that I hide all traces of.

So my secret friends that I am closest to stay secret so I can keep them.

Friends that are half a secret do not have a secret email accounts with me and I do not get to speak with alone very often. Even so, setting good boundaries will help. YOU have a right to have friends, and you are going to have them, whether he throws a fit about it or not. That does not mean you love him less. Those are only his irrational thoughts and insecurities winning in his head. My h went onto his early forties before he finally believed that I was not going to leave him through the help of my friends. My psychology textbook says that these behaviors typically get better as people get into their 50's even... . (anyone else have experience with that?) So I still hope things will get even better as he ages.

Still there are a few friends that I keep secret.
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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2013, 04:57:31 PM »

Hi Silkroad

Doing the right thing (click to insert in post) I'm glad to hear that things are better in your relationship thanks to the tools. They are are good help, aren't they?

Just wanted to say that 38 is not too late to go into therapy, whether now or later. My dBPDbf started at 37 and his father at 70. Not to give you false hope or anything, just to say that sometimes people surprise us. But always best to be realistic and accept the present situation, which you seem to be doing!

As for the jealousy, maybe it would help to take it up again and go heavy with the validation. And not keep the conversations going for a long time, just a short one and then come back to it again another time. What could be behind his anger/jealousy? That's what validation could help you dig up. Stay calm (good job on doing that regarding the bipolar questions) and stay focused on him and his feelings. This conversation is to get to understand him better and not about you or expressing what you feel.

Seeing as you're familiar with the tools, I guess you've already seen this? Communication using validation. What it is; how to do it

I also find it helpful to remember that my dBPD is all about emotions and not much about logic. So I need to be centred and am working on TOOLS: Triggering, Mindfulness, and the Wise Mind

If his anger regarding your friend is causing you pain or making you unhappy, it might also be a issue you should define a boundary around. What do you think?

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« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2013, 05:29:01 PM »

thank you for your replies! the secrecy bit is quite an interesting way of dealing with it, thank you for sharing it, it gave me hope for still seeing him looking for help...

we have been married for 10 years and still dont give each other passwords, (i would give but as he has some secrets he never gives me his) but we share a common account that i never use for my personal stuff.

I supose i need to read it all again, as with small children our brains dont keep much ! I try to validate him and really i ended up anulating myself... but i believe this is life with a BPD... . regarding the friendship, i just dont know how to create a boundary to allow me to have some friends, I want to be able to go and visit , as I have good connections all over the place, and for the children if would be so good to be able to share our lives with so many different people in different places, but , with him, its impossible. I dont mind not having him around when i go to see my friends, what he is doing is trying to keep me just for him, being like him. I am so open, i enjoy life so much, and i want my children to enjoy like i do. the problem is him, who sees problems in everyone and cannot cope with the relationships... so I am stuck! i normally stay quite and let him take the lead, but i end up feeling bad, as i am alwasy giving in to avoid conflict and try to keep the peace! Sorry, a bit of a mourn , but it gets me sometimes to think i will have to live like this to rest of my life!

Anybody out there who manage to challenge this issue from partner and managed to keep some close friends and partner didnt interfer? How did it work? Thank you for reading!

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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2013, 02:14:58 AM »

I am experiencing the same issue... . Would love to hear some good advice!

My H doesn't like any of my friends and doesn't like my family. My parents come into town about 2-3 times a year. Whenever they are in town, I want to take the kids to see them. My H of course doesn't like it. He would rage about how I only care about my parents and not his parents... . Or I only ask my parents to dinner and not his (but I live with my in laws and they sit with us every night when we have dinner!) I feel bad for not going to my parent's enough. I only go on the days that my H has work. He doesn't like it but I still go anyway. Just the same with my friends, I still go out with them but very little. Again I pick times that he is busy, he will still rage about it.

I personally don't like keeping secret on anything from my H. I dunno but I just don't think it's appropriate to be lying to him. And the consequences will be too severe if he ever finds out. I would not dare to try.
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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2013, 05:00:14 AM »

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I personally don't like keeping secret on anything from my H. I dunno but I just don't think it's appropriate to be lying to him. And the consequences will be too severe if he ever finds out. I would not dare to try.

If you can avoid being secret about it then I would encourage that. I wish I had been able to keep contact with freinds and family even though my w did not like them. Becasue I did not fight to keep them I now have to fight to kepe them hid. Hopefully someday I will not have to as I don't like it.
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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2013, 12:59:38 PM »

I don't have secret friends... . we have mutual friends but she doesn't know the extent of my friendship with two of these friends.  I confide in them, they are my sounding boards... . we don't hang out a lot but we share details of our lives to each other. Unfortunately sometimes I cannot share the details of my life with my BPD because she is just too overwhelmed by her own issues.
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